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Old 03-02-2007, 06:37 PM   #1
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Default Senator Hillary Clinton proposes "Mandatory Back-Up Cameras?"

Senator Hillary Clinton proposes "Mandatory Back-Up Cameras?"

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WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers and safety advocates called for new auto safety upgrades Tuesday that would require rearview cameras for drivers and power windows that automatically reverse as a way to protect children around vehicles.

"None of us wants to _ as we each have done _ meet with another family who has lost a child, in what is clearly a preventable death," said Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., who outlined legislation that would force automakers to provide the improvements.

Called the Cameron Gulbransen Kids and Cars Safety Act, the measure is named after a 2-year-old New York boy who was accidentally run over and killed by his father as he backed out his sport utility vehicle in 2002.

Kids and Cars, a Kansas-based safety group supporting the bill, estimated that about two children are killed and 48 injured every week because of back-over accidents. Family members are typically behind the wheel, they said.

Under the measure, which has failed in past years, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would require equipment alerting drivers to children and other objects behind the vehicle, prevent a vehicle from rolling when parked and make power windows reverse direction to address some children who have been strangled to death.

The federal safety agency also would be required to improve its collection of data involving "nontraffic, noncrash injuries" involving children. The bill is backed by Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H., and Reps. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., and Peter King, R-N.Y.

Many luxury vehicles have the technologies and other vehicles offer them as optional equipment. Parents and safety advocates said the improvements could run more than $350 per vehicle.

NHTSA has estimated that back-over accidents led to 183 deaths annually and about 7,400 injuries.

Automakers have opposed mandating the upgrades, noting that many of the safety features are available for consumers as an option. A government report last November also found that many of the cameras face limitations and their performance can vary depending on weather conditions.

"Such technology does show promise, though more research and development could help them better identify objects, especially at night and in inclement weather," said Gloria Bergquist, a spokeswoman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

The industry has agreed to provide brake-shift interlock equipment that requires the driver to engage the brake to shift the vehicle out of park. Automakers have pledged to install the devices on all vehicles by 2010.

Others have stressed the importance of walking around the vehicle before moving it. But some parents whose children have been injured or killed in backovers said a simple check is not always the best prevention.

"We can supervise our children to the best of our ability, but anybody who has ever met a child knows that they are unpredictable at best," said Sue Auriemma, of Manhasset, N.Y.

Auriemma's young daughter, Kate, was seriously injured after she accidentally backed over her in May 2005. Auriemma said moments before the accident, she had looked behind her car "but my daughter slipped out of the house in a second and behind my vehicle before I knew it."

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Old 03-02-2007, 06:50 PM   #2
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Does that include free NAV systems on all cars too???
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Old 03-02-2007, 07:10 PM   #3
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I wanna know why we still have side mirrors?

For years and years now concept cars have had cameras on the sides and a screen on the inside instead. It probably would reduce drag - and help fuel economy - dramatically if you didn't have 2 big fat mirrors sticking out the sides of your car.
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Old 03-05-2007, 04:00 AM   #4
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I wanna know why we still have side mirrors?

For years and years now concept cars have had cameras on the sides and a screen on the inside instead. It probably would reduce drag - and help fuel economy - dramatically if you didn't have 2 big fat mirrors sticking out the sides of your car.
I'm all for cameras and screens instead of side mirrors. How many productions cars have this as an option?

I'm against mandatory rear view cameras. I hate unnecessary legislation. Hillary seems to propose a lot of things that fall into this category.
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:18 AM   #5
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+1 for sideview cameras, -1 for mandatory rearview cameras, unless hillary is paying for it herself, and i'll take a side of nav and dvd player on a 7'' display with that!!!
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:56 AM   #6
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Big deal! It won't be long before most cars will have them anyway, legislation or not. Many luxury cars and SUV's have them already. They are actually pretty cool, especially the ones on Mercedes and Audi's that show your trajectory as well.

I also like on the Audi Q7 how it has a light on the mirrors that indicate when a vehicle is in your blind spot
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:08 AM   #7
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I agree, Hillary pisses me off with her "think of the children" knee-jerk reactions. Rather than educate people to drive better and raise driving test standards (I know, it's a state thing), she wants to force technology down folks' throats, which of course raises the price of all cars.

I thought the LF-A was going to be built sans sideview mirrors, since its concept form had little cameras out the sides. Sadly, the preproduction shows sideview mirrors.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:41 PM   #8
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I agree, Hillary pisses me off with her "think of the children" knee-jerk reactions. Rather than educate people to drive better and raise driving test standards (I know, it's a state thing), she wants to force technology down folks' throats, which of course raises the price of all cars.
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Driver education is not going to keep you from running over something behind the car that you can't see
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:43 PM   #9
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I agree, Hillary pisses me off with her "think of the children" knee-jerk reactions.
She's a typical politician. It's much easier to come out in favor of cameras to protect the children than it is do something meaningful to improve the country.

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Old 03-05-2007, 12:44 PM   #10
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I have a back-up camera, but I still twist around in my seat when I back up. Just because you have a camera doesn't mean you can see everything. It's good as an additional view, but by no means a completely accurate tool.

Mandatory? lame.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:46 PM   #11
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She's a typical politician. It's much easier to come out in favor of cameras to protect the children than it is do something meaningful to improve the country.

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I totally agree. What a total waste of time. Meanwhile, they can't decently balance a buget for the life of them.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:58 PM   #12
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Driver education is not going to keep you from running over something behind the car that you can't see
Paying attention to what you are doing will. A camera will just give people a false sense of security and they may be inclined to not check behind them instead relying on technology to aid them. People don't pay attention enough as it is behind the wheel of a car.
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I wanna know why we still have side mirrors?
Probably because they're simple, cheap and reliable... not to mention, that they're extremely functional, since you can glance at the driver's side mirror and check your blind spot in one quick head movement.

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For years and years now concept cars have had cameras on the sides and a screen on the inside instead. It probably would reduce drag - and help fuel economy - dramatically if you didn't have 2 big fat mirrors sticking out the sides of your car.
Fuel economy lost by drag from mirrors is a drop in the bucket. If they are so bad for drag, why isn't F1 using rear-view cameras already?

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I'm all for backup cameras, airbags, seatbelts, helmets, etc.. but I'm against anyone legislating any of them as mandatory for everyone.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:03 PM   #14
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I have back up sensors... works great on little childrens... I know when to speed up.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:11 PM   #15
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Paying attention to what you are doing will. A camera will just give people a false sense of security and they may be inclined to not check behind them instead relying on technology to aid them. People don't pay attention enough as it is behind the wheel of a car.
Really? And how is paying attention going to help you not hit the kid that is in your blind spot or down below your bumper level, etc?
Just like any technology, it can be a useful tool when used in conjunction with common sense


This is just the typical "I don't want to be told what to do by the govt.", or the "I hate Hillary" crowd whining about something that would have no negative effect on them


If instead the car companies decided to make it mandatory, you guys would be singing praises

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Old 03-05-2007, 01:28 PM   #16
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Backup cameras are great for large SUVs or other vehicles with large blind-spots, but even then most of them have a screwed-up aspect that makes it hard to tell where things are in relation to the vehicle, and like others have said, cameras by themselves aren't enough. People still need to just pay attention to what is going on around them and look to see what is back there, whether they have a camera or not.
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This is just the typical "I don't want to be told what to do by the govt.",
There's a good reason that's a typical response to a lot of what the govt does. Lets not forget why droves of Europeans came to this continent in the first place.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:42 PM   #18
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There's a good reason that's a typical response to a lot of what the govt does. Lets not forget why droves of Europeans came to this continent in the first place.

Yes, because a back up camera really impedes on your freedoms
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:45 PM   #19
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Why don't they just put brush gaurds on the back of cars instead. This way there little arms won't smudge the paint, when they get backed over.....
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #20
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As of now, I am for it (don't know the 'whole story'). The fact of the matter is, a person can walk around a vehicle as many times as they want, but when they step into the driver's seat...that small area directly behind the car is a permanent blindspot. Someone could theoretically check behind the car, walk bacwards whilst watching the rear section, hop in, and immediately continue checking the rear though. It is true that better driver training/requirements (which I am also for) can only go so far.

It does not make sense to me that we can freely operate 3,000+ lb (even greater size/weight/blindspots with SUVs (which are especially common with families)) vehicles, and so frequently use that blinded area.

If the stats are correct, it could theoritcally save money. Less accidents means less strain on public service. Time could be saved because the 'back up procedure' would take less time.

Some things I would; however, want is that the camera(s) either cover a very large area behind the car, including 'looking down the lanes' to the left and right such that a person can rely completely on the system, or, look only at the small blindspot area (with some overlap) such that people don't get a false sense of security from it.

In fact, an 'all emcompassing' camera setup could make driving much safer. We could turn the rear view mirror area into a set of screens that utilize a series of cameres to show a sort of 'panorama' shot around the sides/rear of the car. Camera locations: standard side mirrors, C-pillar (looking in the direction of the common 'blindspot'), top/rear/center of the hood, and the bottom/center of the bumper (this one may actually be better mounted somewhere near the rear diff).

A less complicated setup could just make little camera 'pods' mounted inside the car where the cameras just look out the rear window.

With this setup, someone would only have to look to one location for all 'rear view' info, allowing for more time with eyes forward, and greatly reducing the effect of someone moving into one area while you are looking at another. Last but not least...when cars have it, so will semi trucks and fleet vehicles with 'boarded up' windows.

I understand the 'laissez fair' idea, but there is a proper balance between anarchy and dictatorship. I think this falls in the middle as the potential benefit greatly outweighs the cost.
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Old 03-05-2007, 07:40 PM   #22
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Driver education is not going to keep you from running over something behind the car that you can't see
maybe regulating the ride height and visibility of vehicles would be a better idea... fewer huge SUVs with 2-3 ft high bumpers might do the same thing.
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"Called the Cameron Gulbransen Kids and Cars Safety Act, the measure is named after a 2-year-old New York boy who was accidentally run over and killed by his father as he backed out his sport utility vehicle in 2002."

When I read that part I was just

How about we just make SUVs illegal. Just because Hillary needs a mandatory reverse camera when she's backing up her oversized piece of crap SUV doesn't mean I do.
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:00 PM   #24
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this is ridiculous... i dont want to be forced into buying a car with a backup camera. It will just add to the price of cars. the benefit of safety from these things isnt going to be that significant... how many people actually get run over by cars backing up anyway??

whats next? "all cars must automatically parallel park"
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She is an idiot democrat, what the hell do you expect?
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