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Old 03-05-2007, 08:20 PM   #26
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She is an idiot democrat, what the hell do you expect?
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:21 PM   #27
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Another reason not to vote for her.

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"We can supervise our children to the best of our ability, but anybody who has ever met a child knows that they are unpredictable at best," said Sue Auriemma, of Manhasset, N.Y.

Auriemma's young daughter, Kate, was seriously injured after she accidentally backed over her in May 2005. Auriemma said moments before the accident, she had looked behind her car "but my daughter slipped out of the house in a second and behind my vehicle before I knew it."
Statements like this drive me crazy. We need better parenting, not more mandatory electronic nannies. I have 2 small kids (1 and 3). I do not move the car unless I know exactly where they are--eg in their car seats or where I can see them and another adult is supervising them. If your kid is not old enough to know to stay out of the way of cars, they are not old enough to be left unsupervised outside or where they can get out of the house.
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:21 AM   #28
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if she was supervising her kid so well, how did the child slip out of the house and behind her vehicle? Second question, why doesn't this woman buy a vehicle with a backup camera? To me it seems like making a law for the sake of making a law.

What if your kid hides under your car? Should we have cameras there too?
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:24 AM   #29
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Statements like this drive me crazy. We need better parenting, not more mandatory electronic nannies. I have 2 small kids (1 and 3). I do not move the car unless I know exactly where they are--eg in their car seats or where I can see them and another adult is supervising them. If your kid is not old enough to know to stay out of the way of cars, they are not old enough to be left unsupervised outside or where they can get out of the house.
+1 I completely agree.
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:03 AM   #30
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Yes, because a back up camera really impedes on your freedoms
Today it's "you must have a backup camera" and tomorrow it's "you must have a camera which records video of your driving".
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:06 AM   #31
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Today it's "you must have a backup camera" and tomorrow it's "you must have a camera which records video of your driving".
Paranoid much?
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:08 AM   #32
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My gosh, this is just another step in the direction of people not taking responsibility for their own actions. Good parenting is key. Children should be taught not to be behind the bumper of a running car. Why is that so hard.

This is what really happened. Pop got into his SUV and splattered his own kid. Then ridden with guilt, he decided to put the blame on his SUV, rather than his stupidity and carelessness. Democrats, who thrive on avoiding responsibility, were quick to pick up on this and wave the kids dead body around as new child protective legislation...

Tell you what, somebody with more time than me go find the stats. How many vehicular back up deaths were there each year in the past 25 years. I would wager that this number has grown even with the advent of back up cameras. There is not a shred of evidence that points to this reducing the amount of deaths. I suppose when its mandatory, and kids still get turned to road kill by unattentive parents, it will be the manufacturers fault because they did not make the screen big enough.

To whoever rolled over their kid spawning this bill.. news flash... your lazy and careless parenting and driving habits killed your kid. Not your car, not the car company, you killed your child. Deal with it.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:21 AM   #33
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I am not sure what mopho's deal is but considering we already have black boxes in our cars (which by the way most of us didnt even know about for a LONG time) its VERY conceivable that as technology improves, a camera could be used for monitoring driving (especially considering the billions of dollars a year to be had in lawsuits and medical claims).

And regardless, it *IS a form of parenting by the government (we the govt feels you cannot back up without hitting someone, so you now have to pay for mandatory cameras). Even if it's a $5 option, its still going to rub people the wrong way.

And STILL regardless, the REAL issue here is "she spent her time researching and proposing WHAT?!?!?!?!!?"

Are you kidding me?!? Do you know the social and economic problems NY has right now?? I can tell you this, its not mass destruction and death via use of your reverse gear. She should be spending her time MUCH more wisely on issues that actually MATTER!!
Such a waste of resources.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:31 AM   #34
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She is an idiot democrat, what the hell do you expect?
She's actually more in line with Republican views and ideals. I guess you're right, that's the "idiot" part. It is also why most of the current Democractic base won't vote for her, just the usual anti-gun nanny state people.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:35 AM   #35
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Now when daddy run over his kid, it won't be his fault, it will be because the camera picture wasn't clear enough. Or the manufacturer had the camera pointed at a bad angle. Or the camera didn't provide a wide enough view. This will lead to lawsuits and more regulations.

I'm all for rear-view cameras - they have a purpose and are very useful for hooking up a trailer (and other things of course). I'm just against government mandation, because by making it mandatory, you are removing responsibility from the driver.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:39 AM   #36
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Backup SENSORS... much cheaper than camera, and works just as well (unless you're deaf). I doubt she even knows they exist!

Mine in my truck work great!

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Old 03-06-2007, 09:45 AM   #37
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No!! you're all wrong!! This is America!! Just make every car bigger to make you safer !! Who needs camera's or sensors when we can just extend the Escalade a foot long and raise it half a foot. Sheesh.
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Old 03-06-2007, 11:45 AM   #38
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There was that CNET guy that got stuck in the snow and died.

Every car should have Navigation so that we don't get lost in the snow
Every car should have mandatory snow tires
Every car should be able to plow snow
Every car should come with 30 days provisions
Every car should have tank treads to be able to handle any type of terrain to return to safety

But I only want to pay $20k for my car.
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:36 PM   #39
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people need to learn to drive with thier instinc not with devices

this is why the new generation kids can't drive
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:36 PM   #40
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I am not sure what mopho's deal is but considering we already have black boxes in our cars (which by the way most of us didnt even know about for a LONG time) its VERY conceivable that as technology improves, a camera could be used for monitoring driving (especially considering the billions of dollars a year to be had in lawsuits and medical claims).

And regardless, it *IS a form of parenting by the government (we the govt feels you cannot back up without hitting someone, so you now have to pay for mandatory cameras). Even if it's a $5 option, its still going to rub people the wrong way.

And STILL regardless, the REAL issue here is "she spent her time researching and proposing WHAT?!?!?!?!!?"

Are you kidding me?!? Do you know the social and economic problems NY has right now?? I can tell you this, its not mass destruction and death via use of your reverse gear. She should be spending her time MUCH more wisely on issues that actually MATTER!!
Such a waste of resources.
Newsflash for you, your driving can already be monitored via the black box, they don't need the cameras!!!


My deal is, you guys seem to be the ones with the knee jerk reaction. "Oh no, the govt is telling me what to do!"
Yeah, ok, more excuses to jump on the "I hate insert politician or political party here bandwagon.

This has little to do with govt telling you what to do or with people not being responsible for their actions, it is just suggesting another tool that would help people do their "job" of driving better, regardless of how good a driver you are.

You can teach drivers and kids all you want, but it still won't change the fact that S**T HAPPENS!

Like I said earlier, if the car manufacturers had proposed this, I'd bet many of you would think it a great idea.

Now I am not going to go lobbying for this or anything, but my point is this is no big deal as far as I am concerned. Worst case scenario is that the car I buy in 2012 might have the same back up camera that it would have come with regardless of whether this is legislated or not - Oh No!

I remember people whining about third brake lights and airbags too when they were legislated...


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Are you kidding me?!? Do you know the social and economic problems NY has right now?? I can tell you this, its not mass destruction and death via use of your reverse gear. She should be spending her time MUCH more wisely on issues that actually MATTER!!
Such a waste of resources.
Yeah, it probably took one of Clintons many assistants all of an hour

You probably waste more time on this forum each day
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:23 PM   #41
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This is nothing more than a superficial political stunt.

You could put a Cray supercomputer in there, and kids will still get hit by cars. She does not actually care if this bill passes, she just wants to go on record as proposing it.

And you sir come across as a very niave person. Sorry if that is not the case, I meant no disrespect. But if you seriously think that this country does not have issues of people not taking responsibility for their own actions, then your disillusioned.

However, I will say this. If this would save one little kids life, then no matter how much it costs, I would be tough to argue against it.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:32 PM   #42
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I think backup cameras standard would be good. However, there are other features that should be standard first.

For example, All-Wheel-Drive has proven to be superior at keeping traction so the driver doesn't lose control. I think of all of the unrequired safety features out there, all wheel drive should be required.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:34 PM   #43
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Statements like this drive me crazy. We need better parenting, not more mandatory electronic nannies. I have 2 small kids (1 and 3). I do not move the car unless I know exactly where they are--eg in their car seats or where I can see them and another adult is supervising them. If your kid is not old enough to know to stay out of the way of cars, they are not old enough to be left unsupervised outside or where they can get out of the house.
A very valid point.
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:47 PM   #44
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A very valid point.
I second that. HOWEVER, I also agree with the comment on that it SHOULD be required becasue it is a good tool to HELP prevent accidents. The government shouldn't have to play nanny, but there is no reason why our tax dollars shouldn't help pay for things that will help us prevent accidents.
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:02 PM   #45
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Wowzer, what a pathetic law..... Then again with the 2008 election ramping up. I dont doubt Democrats and Republicans will be proposing some real stupid laws. All in the name of saying we care for you, and want your vote. Next she will propose for back up cameras to be paid for by the state.

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Old 03-08-2007, 09:25 PM   #46
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power windows that automatically reverse as a way to protect children around vehicles.
How do you make your windows reverse I wonder who proof read this article

+1 on typical dem. and America's lack of taking responsibilty. Can't wait for the first lawsuit over faulty camera

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And you sir come across as a very niave person. Sorry if that is not the case, I meant no disrespect. But if you seriously think that this country does not have issues of people not taking responsibility for their own actions, then your disillusioned.

Are you talking to me? I said no such thing!!! I am fully aware of that fact thank you

This has nothing to do with taking responsibility for your actions. This is about a tool that will help you with your actions.
Accidents can happen no matter how responsible you are.
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I'm all for cameras and screens instead of side mirrors. How many productions cars have this as an option?

I'm against mandatory rear view cameras. I hate unnecessary legislation. Hillary seems to propose a lot of things that fall into this category.
Its called cost reductions and reliability of safety feature.
First of all if you have cameras and screens instead of a simple inexpensive mirror that is ADDED cost that YOU will end up paying for.
besides if the cameras stop working you are screwed while mirrors never stop working.
simple things are always better.
electronics are cool but the more you put into q car the bigger chances you have for something to fail.
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For example, All-Wheel-Drive has proven to be superior at keeping traction so the driver doesn't lose control. I think of all of the unrequired safety features out there, all wheel drive should be required.
Nobody with AWD ever wrecks. Every car should have 200hp/ton to the wheels, too.

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I am not sure what mopho's deal is but considering we already have black boxes in our cars (which by the way most of us didnt even know about for a LONG time)
Not all cars have them, fortunately.

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If your kid is not old enough to know to stay out of the way of cars, they are not old enough to be left unsupervised outside or where they can get out of the house.
But don't you see? With backup cameras on every car, kids will only need to know to stay clear of the other 200 some-odd degrees of view that are obstructed when driving an SUV (not to mention any of the underside, where back-up cameras can't see either). It will be so much easier, and save so many lives.




Anybody know the range that an average sized woman can see the pavement out of the passenger side window in an H2 from the driver's seat? A backup camera will not save anything to the side, directly in front of, or underneath most SUVs... only sensible drivers can manage that.

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Are you talking to me? I said no such thing!!! I am fully aware of that fact thank you

This has nothing to do with taking responsibility for your actions. This is about a tool that will help you with your actions.
Accidents can happen no matter how responsible you are.
NO disrespect meant, sorry if it came across that way. I meant in general. I try to never single anybody out, if it came across that way, it was do to a hurried response. I have read many of your posts, and respect your opinions. I dont come to forums to fight, just to vent.
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