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Old 12-05-2001, 09:22 PM   #1
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Default Does this sound like a good idea???

Okay here we go. I want to buy a 2002 wrx for the body and interior and the fact that it is factory turbocharged. My ultimate goal is to make at least 475 whp. I don't feel it is smart of me to go out and throw all these mods on and buildup the internals all at once. My reasoning on this is because i will be transfering from a 93 chevy corsica, to a 2002 wrx and then to a 475 hp wrx.

Isn't it smarter of me to buy the wrx and then buy a ej25 engine and build it up in my shop, while learning to drive awd and will have the boost turned up to familiarize myself with lots of power.

So my real question falls into place here. Will it be cheaper to build up a factory 2002 wrx engine or a ej25? Which one will be more reliable for say 75,000 miles if build with the proper products? You can see by my status that i am a newbie but feel i am pretty knowlegable with the 2.5 rs at least. Just want some opinions. thanks
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Old 12-05-2001, 09:25 PM   #2
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Old 12-05-2001, 09:55 PM   #3
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I don't know if I should respond to this but here goes. Although anything is possible with enough money, 475whp is a very high goal. That would be at least 600hp at the crank. From what I've read the EJ20 would be a better bet but I've had no experience with that type of modding. Is there a reason you want 475whp? As for 75,000 miles I doubt you can mod a car that much and have it be reliable for 75,000. Sorry to sound so negative but I just think that you should evaluate your goals. If you just have lots of hp I would suggest looking into getting a car with a factory V8. Anyway just realize that it will take a lot of time and even more money to reach this goal. Whatever you choose I wish you luck.
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Old 12-05-2001, 10:12 PM   #4
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If you somehow managed to get that to 475 whp, I can see it on the news: "Another tragic auto accident today. It was a single vehicle crash. Apparently, the driver is a dumbass."

J/K, but thats a bit ridiculous!


"Another WRX bites the dust"....
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Old 12-05-2001, 10:21 PM   #5
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Old 12-05-2001, 10:36 PM   #6
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That is a huge horsepower goal. I suggest you find some other i-clubbers with high horsepower vehicles......and go for a ride. With that horsepower you could light some serious AWD style burnouts though. Looks like great footage in the making, but realize that this will come at quite a financial cost. I have no idea the amount of money it will take to get started with this kind of a goal.

On the flipside, are you really serious about this? If so do what I suggested above. If this is yet another joke post then I've been had.
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Old 12-06-2001, 10:22 AM   #7
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dude u better be like a millionare of somethin, cause that is gonna be so much money to get 475whp. Good luck with all of it, prove us all wrong and build the car!
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Old 12-06-2001, 10:42 AM   #8
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475whp requirements:

Motec ECU $$$$ (Maybe a Tec III or something would be a cheaper alternative)
STI 6-speed $$$
A closed deck 2.5L block(see Cobb or B-spec I believe)
2.0 Heads
Higher Compression Pistons
Much larger Turbo.
100 octane unleaded street gas(76 has it)

Thats all I can come up with right now
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Old 12-06-2001, 10:48 AM   #9
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STI 6-speed $$$

Thats all I can come up with right now
I don;t think that even the STi will hold that much power. I'd get a set of straight cut gears.

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Old 12-06-2001, 10:54 AM   #10
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You could probably buy a Ferrarri for what it would cost if it is even possible.
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Old 12-06-2001, 01:06 PM   #11
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like my esteemed collegue said above, I think you might want to try starting with another AWD car, say 911 turbo or 959. Hell, with the money you might spend moding/rebuilding, you might want to consider a Diablo VT.

Just my opinion, but there is a reason why super-silly cars cost that much...

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Old 12-06-2001, 02:27 PM   #12
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I don;t think that even the STi will hold that much power. I'd get a set of straight cut gears.

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Agreed...full dogbox, no questions asked. And at least a T-60 series turbo.
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Old 12-06-2001, 03:08 PM   #13
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wrx is not a supra. I think your goal will be much more attainable if you go out and spend 30-40 grand on a used supra. All wheel drive cars dyno much less than your fwd or rwd cars. To obtain something like 400+ wheel horsepower will cost an insane amount of money. I think you only need around 300 some wheel horsepower to break into 12's with wrx.
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Old 12-06-2001, 03:28 PM   #14
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like my esteemed collegue said above, I think you might want to try starting with another AWD car, say 911 turbo or 959. Hell, with the money you might spend moding/rebuilding, you might want to consider a Diablo VT.

Just my opinion, but there is a reason why super-silly cars cost that much...

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I want to start small. Myroots are in Sport Compact Cars and have wanted to mod one to the moon all my life. No matter what engine i get i will have 475whp. My real question i guess was not convaid right or something. So what would the best engine be for this? I know i can get both of them to this hp mark but dont know which one will be better. Someone with experience please help me out. I know i am not the only one who wanted 475 out of their impreza, and hopefully someone has already modded both engines to this mark and could help me out.
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Old 12-06-2001, 03:34 PM   #15
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wrx is not a supra. I think your goal will be much more attainable if you go out and spend 30-40 grand on a used supra. All wheel drive cars dyno much less than your fwd or rwd cars. To obtain something like 400+ wheel horsepower will cost an insane amount of money. I think you only need around 300 some wheel horsepower to break into 12's with wrx.
Yes i know all of this...But does a supra have awd? If you live in orlando like i do, then isn't a supra alot more popular? How many 400whp supras are around your town? I know there are at least three here and no imprezas with that power.

I will own at least three cars with equal or exceding horsepower by the end of 2003. You see i have just become the vice-president of Ballistic Mobile Entertainmet Inc. and intend on doing some rediculous spending right know while i am still young.
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Old 12-06-2001, 03:41 PM   #16
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I know of at least 2 people in san diego that currently make over 500whp with FWD SR20 setups. Weak trannies and all. Don't believe me? Call sr20development 161969turbo Anyway, i agree and say that you should talk to some high hp iclubbers about this.
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Old 12-06-2001, 09:17 PM   #17
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Call Trey Cobb... www.cobbtuning.com number is on the page... he has experience w/ super high power motors... He'll build one for you... already done a couple I believe... he could probably give you a firm quote on the cost... what you have to look out for tho, is the rest of the drivetrain... I'm sure he can hook you up there too...
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Old 12-06-2001, 09:56 PM   #18
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I think you would be wasting your money. IMO If you want all kind of HPs and AWD get a Skyline. With the money you are going to spend on the WRX you could probably get 700-800 out of a Skyline. Plus you don't need that much HP to get a WRX to blow alot of cars of the road. Just remember if you do spend all that money you still won't be the fastest car on the road.
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Old 12-06-2001, 10:24 PM   #19
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Doesn't Rigoli have about 600hp at the crank? He's in the high- high nines I think and is still streetable, but I'd almost guarantee you quit before you reach your goal.
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Old 12-07-2001, 12:51 AM   #20
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You might want to talk to Byron at B-Spec. IIRC he told me that his monster of a car has about 600 hp when boost is on the high setting, and then "only around 420-450 hp" on the low setting.

He probably puts about 475 hp to the ground when using the high boost setting. I think his engine is (or was?) an EJ22, but I'm not positive of that.

As for reliability, Byron says he drives it everyday without any major problems. I personally think that any motor putting out that kind of power (unless it's something like Lamborghini where the engines are designed with high power from the start) will not last, especially not 75,000 miles...unless you put in huge $$$$$ dedicated strictly to enhancing engine durability. and even then engine life won't be that long. You also might want to consider drivetrain reliability.

I think 475 whp is very possible, but it will be expensive and you will have to find people who really know their sheeit about getting reliable, useable power out of the flat engines.

Good luck with the project, and keep us posted as to what happens with this...
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I think you would be wasting your money. IMO If you want all kind of HPs and AWD get a Skyline. With the money you are going to spend on the WRX you could probably get 700-800 out of a Skyline. Plus you don't need that much HP to get a WRX to blow alot of cars of the road. Just remember if you do spend all that money you still won't be the fastest car on the road.
uum....that would be nice but there is only one problem, They are almost impossible to get over here.

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Old 12-07-2001, 01:26 AM   #22
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I think you're placing unreasonable requirements on your plans. You say you want 475 whp no matter what engine it is. Where did you come up with this magical number and why? If I had a supra, I'd shoot for somewhere in the 600-800hp area. If I had an MR2 maybe I'd go for the setup they use on JGTCC supras. You really need to design your goals around the car and engine your working with.

If I had megas bucks, and wanted to mod to hell a Impreza, other, easier, choices be damned, I wouldn't place unreasaonble goals on myself.

I would just call up Jun and ask for the kit they put on their Top Speed car. Or Byron at BSpec, or Trey at Cobb. These people know what they are doing and how to get that kind of power out of this car.

Reliable? Shrug. Get someone to cast you an iron EJ22 short block.
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Old 12-07-2001, 11:43 AM   #23
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You can find used Skylines in the States. There are several companys the sell them. Hell theres one for sale on EBAY its a deal!HERE
They are also going to bring the car to the states.HERE
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You can find used Skylines in the States. There are several companys the sell them. Hell theres one for sale on EBAY its a deal!HERE
They are also going to bring the car to the states.HERE
Okay if you can seriously show me a good place in which to purchase a skyline, for a reasonable price, and a newer one. I dont want spend more than $70,000 for the entire setup including anything else required to get my skyline to 210mph. Why you ask? Well i saw a video of a skyline drivng through a tunnel in australia and when he finally stoped his digital speedomets said he had gone 206mph. I am not one to be in second place so i must beat that speed. Maybe take it to the salt flats or something to test it's speed. Is this very sensible, no because i will only use it's actual potential a few times but damn what a reputation that will be. 210MPH I am very excited that someone brought up the skyline. If you look at the back cover of SCC mag January issue thenyou will see a skyline there. I have a question that might be a really good idea. Okay do you see the medium sized holes in the bumper directly under the orange lights? well maybe if you tube that air to a twin turbo intake system and sucked all of that air into the engine. The smaller holes in the bumper are also taking in air which would normally meet again with the above air, yet the above air is gone. So basically the lower air is traveling faster than the top air, therefore creating lift in the direction of the asphalt. Somone help me out on this one. It seems logical to my friend and me.
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i can get a skyline to 210 no prob. oo wait you mean in one peice dont you? nevermind then.
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