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Old 03-14-2007, 06:20 PM   #1
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And Id like some info.

I am currently considering moving from Southern California into Colorado. Housing in SoCal is completely out of control.

Anyway, my wife and I think we may have found a nice place in Lakewood. Is that a nice area? What is crime like? As much info as possible would be great. If Lakewood is not nice, what IS nice in the Denver area? I am a Network Engineer II so I want to stay near an area that has computer related jobs available.

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Old 03-14-2007, 06:33 PM   #2
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I live in Lakewood.

There are some nice parts (like where I live, OONTZ!)

But, a lot of Lakewood is pretty White Trash, so, it depends on where in Lakewood.

Also, expect to take a big pay cut from SoCal.

Oh, and I'm moving back to SoCal.
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Old 03-14-2007, 07:01 PM   #3
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And Id like some info.

I am currently considering moving from Southern California into Colorado. Housing in SoCal is completely out of control.

Anyway, my wife and I think we may have found a nice place in Lakewood. Is that a nice area? What is crime like? As much info as possible would be great. If Lakewood is not nice, what IS nice in the Denver area? I am a Network Engineer II so I want to stay near an area that has computer related jobs available.

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A better question here is to ask what you are looking for. House size, neighborhood type, social life, how far you want to drive for a commute etc.

As mentioned Lakewood is dyadic, it has nice parts, and lower income less nice parts...

There are two, maybe 3 concentrations of computer tech jobs. One to the southwest, one to the south east, and one to the north east of denver. All within 45 minutes of each other under normal traffic conditions.
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Old 03-14-2007, 07:33 PM   #4
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A better question here is to ask what you are looking for. House size, neighborhood type, social life, how far you want to drive for a commute etc.

As mentioned Lakewood is dyadic, it has nice parts, and lower income less nice parts...

There are two, maybe 3 concentrations of computer tech jobs. One to the southwest, one to the south east, and one to the north east of denver. All within 45 minutes of each other under normal traffic conditions.
3 bed 3 bath house w/ 2 car garage. No Condo or duplex crap.
Close to those IT concentrations. Dont want to live in a Ghetto. And I dont want to spend more than $300k for a home.
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Old 03-14-2007, 07:37 PM   #5
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I live in Lakewood.

There are some nice parts (like where I live, OONTZ!)

But, a lot of Lakewood is pretty White Trash, so, it depends on where in Lakewood.

Also, expect to take a big pay cut from SoCal.

Oh, and I'm moving back to SoCal.
Think I can make $50k a year with 7 years experience?
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Old 03-14-2007, 07:49 PM   #6
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Think I can make $50k a year with 7 years experience?
Not even close.

From what I understand of what you do, $30-35K is more realistic here.

And, $300K for a 3 bedroom house is not going to be in a nice part of Lakewood.
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:13 PM   #7
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Not even close.

From what I understand of what you do, $30-35K is more realistic here.

And, $300K for a 3 bedroom house is not going to be in a nice part of Lakewood.


For that kind of house you are looking more in the $350,000.00-400,000.00 range in a nice area (although with the way the housing market is you might find a steal so don't rule it out). The housing market has been a buyers market for the last year, but a lot of analysts are expecting a surge in the summer months. If you are willing to work foreclosures there are tons of those with some great deals (CO mortage industry is un-regulated, there were a lot of bad mortages and re-finances that were made around 2003-early 2005 that have put a lot of nice houses in the last stages of foreclosure).

As some anecdotal evidence, my best friend and his fiancee struggled to find a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 1 car, under 180,000.00 with very minor location discriminations, that was in good enough shape to be move in ready (and she had no job for 3 months and a real estate liscense to help find deals).

5 years ago, I had a close friend and his family, living in the exact house you describe. 2.5 story, 3 bed, 2.5 bath, with 2.5 car garage (the days were double deep, and one was really wide, but it was officially a 2.5) in a real nice neighborhood, and were offered repeatedly, before the house was on the market, $375,000.00 (the market was really booming).


I'd consider looking more in the Littleton/Unincorporated Jefferson County if I were you. Nicer neighborhoods, sometimes older and slightly smaller houses, but more reasonable prices (there are some nice 2-3 bed 2 bath, 1 car houses in my parents neck of the woods in the 200s for example). Plus you'd be strategically between the Denver Technology Center, and the tech cluster over on the Southwest side of town.

As for what you are going to make, no idea. There are some salary finding websites that can provide good data, but I don't have them bookmarked anymore. Oh yeah, expect there to be some local inflation over the next year, the moronic mass public voted in a big jump in the minimum wage for the whole state...
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:53 PM   #8
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For that kind of house you are looking more in the $350,000.00-400,000.00 range in a nice area (although with the way the housing market is you might find a steal so don't rule it out). The housing market has been a buyers market for the last year, but a lot of analysts are expecting a surge in the summer months. If you are willing to work foreclosures there are tons of those with some great deals (CO mortage industry is un-regulated, there were a lot of bad mortages and re-finances that were made around 2003-early 2005 that have put a lot of nice houses in the last stages of foreclosure).

As some anecdotal evidence, my best friend and his fiancee struggled to find a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 1 car, under 180,000.00 with very minor location discriminations, that was in good enough shape to be move in ready (and she had no job for 3 months and a real estate liscense to help find deals).

5 years ago, I had a close friend and his family, living in the exact house you describe. 2.5 story, 3 bed, 2.5 bath, with 2.5 car garage (the days were double deep, and one was really wide, but it was officially a 2.5) in a real nice neighborhood, and were offered repeatedly, before the house was on the market, $375,000.00 (the market was really booming).


I'd consider looking more in the Littleton/Unincorporated Jefferson County if I were you. Nicer neighborhoods, sometimes older and slightly smaller houses, but more reasonable prices (there are some nice 2-3 bed 2 bath, 1 car houses in my parents neck of the woods in the 200s for example). Plus you'd be strategically between the Denver Technology Center, and the tech cluster over on the Southwest side of town.

As for what you are going to make, no idea. There are some salary finding websites that can provide good data, but I don't have them bookmarked anymore. Oh yeah, expect there to be some local inflation over the next year, the moronic mass public voted in a big jump in the minimum wage for the whole state...

I appreciate all the advice. however, I disagree with your statement about house costs.
http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...yp=1&x=78&y=12

159 houses in Lakewood with 3+ beds/baths. Some with up to 4 beds, 3 baths, and a 3 car garage.

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...yp=1&x=47&y=10

And 344 in Littleton.

Perhaps your speculation that its a buyers market is more true than you think!

(I may be wrong, and thats cool, but I am trying to be optimistic)
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:57 PM   #9
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Not even close.

From what I understand of what you do, $30-35K is more realistic here.

And, $300K for a 3 bedroom house is not going to be in a nice part of Lakewood.
30-35 is sort of what I figured, but when I looked at job listings that I am qualified for, $50k yearly was reasonable.
By the way, I dont just fix home PCs.
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30-35 is sort of what I figured, but when I looked at job listings that I am qualified for, $50k yearly was reasonable.
By the way, I dont just fix home PCs.
Yeah, let me know how that works out for you.
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Old 03-14-2007, 10:32 PM   #11
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Consider Colorado SPrings as well- Lots of Tech stuff down here and it's a lot cheaper than Denver- also there's very little traffic.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:51 PM   #12
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Yeah, let me know how that works out for you.
Edit: Honestly Will, please dont post in this thread. My wife and I are getting ready to make a big adjustment in our life, and the last thing I need is your comments.

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Old 03-14-2007, 11:55 PM   #13
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Consider Colorado SPrings as well- Lots of Tech stuff down here and it's a lot cheaper than Denver- also there's very little traffic.
Ive heard that Colo Springs is very conservative and christian. Have you found that to be true?
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:02 AM   #14
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The Springs is like a giant bible camp.

Avoid it at all costs.
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Old 03-15-2007, 05:41 PM   #15
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Hey I have lived in colo. all my life, Lakewood is a fine place if you find the right areas. I have a home in Aurora and Larkspur. Aurora is great, near the highway to get to denver or the tech center. I'd say stay away from colo. springs highway traffic is huge, add about a half hour just to travel 10 miles. Larskpur is nice but far out there.
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There are actually a lot of IT companies in Colorado and im sure with saavy enough negotiation skills you can pull in $50k pre-tax (say youre starting a family or something...)

West Lakewood is pretty nice, North Lakewood is also nice, East Lakewood is MexiCOLO. I honestly think that all of Western Denver Metro is pretty nice so any town in those parts isnt bad. Highlands Ranch, littleton, Golden, Arvada, Wheat Ridge all have pretty good neighborhoods and semi-decent schools (if thats a concern).

Only thing good about CO Springs to me is Revolution Performance.

Check awdpirates.net too, theyre a local awd forum and youd get a lot of good advice from there too.
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Old 03-15-2007, 07:28 PM   #17
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I appreciate all the advice. however, I disagree with your statement about house costs.
http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...yp=1&x=78&y=12

159 houses in Lakewood with 3+ beds/baths. Some with up to 4 beds, 3 baths, and a 3 car garage.

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...yp=1&x=47&y=10

And 344 in Littleton.

Perhaps your speculation that its a buyers market is more true than you think!

(I may be wrong, and thats cool, but I am trying to be optimistic)


Looks like prices have continued to depress since I stopped having any incentive at all to keep up with them.

Hopefully they stay depressed for your sake (http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...lid=1077375227 two blocks from my parents and where I grew up, used to walk past it going to school. It is an older neighborhood with either retired people/empty nesters or young families, really quiet, although the area is trying to economically re-invigorate itself right now).


If 45 minutes of commuting isn't out of the question consider also Castle Rock if you are more interested in the suburban lifestyle.

As for the Springs...
No place else, in my moderatley short life, have I seen more 10+ foot tall neon Jesus signs. I'll only go there for the PPIHC, otherwise no thanks, too conservative/ultra Christian/hardcore republican for me.


Again, if I were you I'd pick Littleton or pseudo-Littleton (un-incorporated Jefferson county, good schools, low crime, quiet, good area for houses to hold value even in times of lower housing prices).
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A friend of mine in college just got a 50K job programming for visa in the denver area... and he was fresh out of school. I would look for a job first, and then move there. Boulder is where it is at in colorado. (it is considerably more expensive though)
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I have spent some pretty significant time in most states west of the Mississippi. Was born and raised in Colorado. I just moved back from Beverly Hills. Personally I hate Southern California and wish nothing more than for that stinking cess hole to be wiped off the map by the North Koreans.

I'm now in the springs. Yes, there are lots of Jesus freaks here. No, not everyone is like that. There is actually some pretty awesome debauchery happening here. It's pretty easy to live a normal happy life here and ignore the weirdo's.

Personally I like the springs more than any other place I have lived and have no plans to leave here.

With the enormous amount of Military stuff here finding a job as an IT dork contractor is super easy.

If you don't mind living in a depressing enormous Suburban feed lot you might check out the Highlands Ranch area. You will feel right at home. It's like somebody transplanted Orange County and put mountains nearby.

Littleton is another area to check out. Some interesting older homes. Castle rock is OK. A bit out of the way from everything... and nothing but suburban sprawl... but pretty cheap.
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Anyone who hates Southern California just weren't strong enough to handle it.
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I avoid colorado...i just like brweing conflict amongst the funny under pants people here in oohtaw
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Anyone who hates Southern California just weren't strong enough to handle it.
Walked away from a 6 figure income (that's how someones worth as a person is measured in so-cal right? Last I checked that was doing better than you.). Now I own my own business and am happier than you'll ever be.

Thanks for playing.

On a more serious note. If you are leaving So-Cal for financial reasons but like the lifestyle there... find some way to afford it and stay because you WILL not like it here. If you hate the financial side AND the lifestyle... www.awdpirates.net
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Actually, no.

I don't judge a person's worth by their income. And, you have no barometer of my happiness.

But, thanks for playing
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You must not be as so-cal as you claim to be then.

If "waahhh... I'm so sad and miserable so I'm going to go post whore in OT about it" isn't a decent barometer... don't know what is.
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No, I'm the real deal, a California native.

It's all you ******** that move to California who give it a bad rep.
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