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View Poll Results: 17" Rota Torques vs. 18" Rota Torques
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Old 03-28-2007, 10:30 PM   #1
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What do you guys personally think looks better? (I drive an 02 WRB WRX).

I personally think I like 17"'s and found a good set I'll most likely be buying, but I wanted to get some quick feedback.
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:12 PM   #2
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What do you guys personally think looks better? (I drive an 02 WRB WRX).

I personally think I like 17"'s and found a good set I'll most likely be buying, but I wanted to get some quick feedback.
Ok before you buy...

1. What is your budget?
2. What tires would you like to run?
3. What is the purpose of the wheels?

I find many people buy Rota's because they are "cheap" well there are many options of wheels out there that you can get - if you want there are some good deals on Work Emotions or even cheaper great wheel are the RPF1s - plenty of affordable non Rota wheels...incase budget is what directed you to Rota

If you get 17s it will be easier to pick up a set of re070s then a size of tires in 18s - everything gets more expensive with 18s even mounting. Sometimes people say you can run wider wheels with 18s well people are rocking 255s on 17x8s no problem so I'm not sure the width is that much of a big deal.


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But 18s fill the nasty wheel gap pretty nicely and look much better Personally I'm all about picking the wheels that look the best - if you lower the car 17s are going to look good anyway. Weight of 18inch Rota's is also a bummer...

The main plus side of 18s I think is really looks, space for a big brake kit but that is rarely the deciding factor so yeah...

I'm sorta in the same boat not sure if I should mount some summers on my stock 17s or buy a set of new 18s
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:03 AM   #3
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Ok before you buy...

1. What is your budget?
I'm looking used for < $850
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2. What tires would you like to run?
The wheel/tire set I'm looking at buying is running Pirelli 45-17 PZero nero's
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3. What is the purpose of the wheels?
I want to use them for my spring/fall/summer tires. I have stock painted rims with Michelin Alpin winter's on now that I want to use as my winter setup.

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But 18s fill the nasty wheel gap pretty nicely and look much better
Do you have any pics by any chance?
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:14 AM   #4
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I'd go with the Used 17x8 Rota Torques w/ 225-45-17 PZero Nero tires in the classifieds. They are going for a pretty good price too!
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:39 AM   #5
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I am picking up some rotas this weekend. finally i get some wheels. BTW they are 17's.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:45 AM   #6
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you will def feel those wheels I had the 17x8 torques and ditched em cuz it bogged the car down so much...nothing but lightweight stuff for me from now on..
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:47 AM   #7
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what's the weight of the stock wheels? those are 19.4 lbs....

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you will def feel those wheels I had the 17x8 torques and ditched em cuz it bogged the car down so much...nothing but lightweight stuff for me from now on..
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:34 AM   #8
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Do you have any pics by any chance?
go to subydude's website and there is a whole gallery of subarus with wheels on them. You can view by car or by wheel ...here is the link to cars with Torques...

http://www.subydude.com/osc/gallery_...ype=rotatorque


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you will def feel those wheels I had the 17x8 torques and ditched em cuz it bogged the car down so much...nothing but lightweight stuff for me from now on..

aaah I wouldn't agree so much, I bought a set of Rota Torques from Dan @MachV a long time ago and I was curious about wheel weight and well I compared the stock sti 17x8 wheel and re070 combo (used for 16K) vs Torques and pzero nero M+S (new) in the same tire size and actually the Torques were about a pound or two lighter so I wouldn't call the Torques a heavy wheel. Especially when the stock STi wheel is around 19lbs...

You could get the RPF1 which come in around 15lbs which is a pretty nice jump down...
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:36 AM   #9
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I run 18" Torques on the street, and 17" Torques at the track. For looks, go with the 18's. For performance, go for the 17's.

18" Torques, Hyper Black:













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Old 03-29-2007, 08:40 AM   #10
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If you are driving in DC, you'll want the 17s so you get that tiny bit of extra protection with a bigger sidewall.
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:46 AM   #11
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I run 18" Torques on the street, and 17" Torques at the track. For looks, go with the 18's. For performance, go for the 17's.

18" Torques, Hyper Black:

17" Torques, Steel Gray:

Thanks for the pics man. A HUGE help to see them.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:37 AM   #12
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Thanks for the pics man. A HUGE help to see them.
No problem. Unfortunately I don't have many good pics of the 17's.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:49 AM   #13
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aaah I wouldn't agree so much, I bought a set of Rota Torques from Dan @MachV a long time ago and I was curious about wheel weight and well I compared the stock sti 17x8 wheel and re070 combo (used for 16K) vs Torques and pzero nero M+S (new) in the same tire size and actually the Torques were about a pound or two lighter so I wouldn't call the Torques a heavy wheel. Especially when the stock STi wheel is around 19lbs...

You could get the RPF1 which come in around 15lbs which is a pretty nice jump down...
I don't think the Torques are especially heavy, but for me there's a very noticeable* difference with my 17x7.5s compared to the stock 16" wheels. Part of it may be the heavy tires I run (RT215s), or the weight being further out on the larger diameter wheel. On the other hand, I think you'd have to go significantly up in price to get a much lighter wheel.

OP - Get the 17's. 18's look ghetto and/or goofy on Subarus.

*Edit - I should amend that to say that by "very noticeable", I mean it's apparent for the first 30 minutes after I switch tires, and then I pretty much get used to it. I wouldn't worry about it. The car just seems slightly less light on its feet when pulling away from a stop, etc.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:54 AM   #14
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I think you'd have to go significantly up in price to get a much lighter wheel.
not *always* true, you can get a set RPF1's which are probably the lightest 17inch wheel available (15lbs) for subies with tires for about the same as you can get Rotas with tires.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1186969

just the wheels shipped for $999

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1228182


I'm just saying there are option, lightweight and good options within Rota Range - Had the RPF1's been available for my car a few months back then I would have bought them

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I'd definitely go with the RPF1s if the price is close. What's the going rate on a Rota bundle these days?
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17 x 7.5 ROTA Wheel - $650 w/ FREE lugs/shirts/Shipping
17 x 8 ROTA Wheel - $700 w/ FREE Lugs/shirt/Shipping
18 x 7.5 ROTA Wheel - 699 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping
18 x 8 ROTA Wheel - $750 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping
18 x 8.5 ROTA Wheel - $800 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping
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17 x 7.5 ROTA Wheel - $650 w/ FREE lugs/shirts/Shipping
17 x 8 ROTA Wheel - $700 w/ FREE Lugs/shirt/Shipping
18 x 7.5 ROTA Wheel - 699 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping
18 x 8 ROTA Wheel - $750 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping
18 x 8.5 ROTA Wheel - $800 w/ FREE Lugs/Shirt/Shipping

Didn't see prices for 17s but here are 18s...

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Tire: you want to go w/ 235/40/18.. so pick any of the following packages:

# 235/40ZR18 95Y RF BW FK-452 FALKEN $1,385.35
# 235/40ZR18 95W ZIEX ZE-512 FALKEN $1,261.75
# 235/40R18 95W AZENIS RT-615 PURE SPORTS FALKEN $1,416.25
# 235/40R18 95W PROXES 4 TOYO $1,375.05
# 235/40R18 95Y PROXES T1R TOYO $1,457.45
# 235/40R18 95W AVS ES100 YOKOHAMA $1,416.25
# 235/40R18 95Y XL BSW ECSTA SPT KU-31 $1,302.95
# 235/40ZR18 95W BSW Ecsta ASX Kumho $1,272.05

all prices above includes wheel/tires/mounting/balancing/lugs/shirt/shipping/hug?

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So the prices are somewhat close to RPF1 packages, obviously Rota's are the cheapest wheel on the market but a couple hundred more will take you a long way in terms of Rotas ->RPF1s....thats all I'm trying to say.
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Old 03-29-2007, 10:28 AM   #18
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I like 17" for the torque... search for threads started by "GNV Motorsports" in the members car gallery

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Wow how'd you get black lettering on your brembos? Custom job?
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aaah I wouldn't agree so much, I bought a set of Rota Torques from Dan @MachV a long time ago and I was curious about wheel weight and well I compared the stock sti 17x8 wheel and re070 combo (used for 16K) vs Torques and pzero nero M+S (new) in the same tire size and actually the Torques were about a pound or two lighter so I wouldn't call the Torques a heavy wheel. Especially when the stock STi wheel is around 19lbs...

You could get the RPF1 which come in around 15lbs which is a pretty nice jump down...
OP, your stock wheel weight is 16.5. I think OEM wheel and tire net you at like 35-37lbs. Rota torques will be around 19lbs in the 17inch format. I had yoko es's on them and you can really feel the difference in acceleration and coasting. I would tell you to save your money for some nice lightweight stuff, or maybe check out the rota sdr in 17inch, they are still lightweight at 16-17 lbs, I think they look nice, cheap, and they won't break...

Midnight, the reason why you didn't really feel it is you had the 2.5l, and your oem wheel weight was a pound or so less... you can really feel those 3+lbs in centrifical (Sp) mass.

Then again you may not be as anal as I am with wheel weights, but having the torques on made it seem like I was missing some mods when I hit the gas.
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I run 18" Torques on the street, and 17" Torques at the track. For looks, go with the 18's. For performance, go for the 17's.
+1 for this.
On a side note, Tim, how do you like the MXs for the street? I'm trying to decide between those and Azenis.
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Midnight, the reason why you didn't really feel it is you had the 2.5l, and your oem wheel weight was a pound or so less... you can really feel those 3+lbs in centrifical (Sp) mass.

Then again you may not be as anal as I am with wheel weights, but having the torques on made it seem like I was missing some mods when I hit the gas.
Oh I agree 100% - wheel weight matters to me that is why i'm looking towards RPF1s or something Forged
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I compared the stock sti 17x8 wheel and re070 combo (used for 16K) vs Torques and pzero nero M+S (new) in the same tire size and actually the Torques were about a pound or two lighter so I wouldn't call the Torques a heavy wheel.
A lot of that, maybe all of it is in the tire. A typical stiff-sidewall tire (S03, Azenis, 070) is something like 24-25 lbs in the 225-45-17 size. The Toyo T1-S, a commonly referenced "light" tire is more like 20-21 lbs in that size so an all season like the Pirelli is probably in the same league. For hard driving though the tradeoff of the heavier/stiffer tire is definitely worth it.

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Wow how'd you get black lettering on your brembos? Custom job?
If you're talking about Tim's car... it was a custom job. A hard weekend at Summit Point / Shenandoah

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