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Old 03-29-2007, 11:05 AM   #1
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So I was driving yesterday at 7PM on East Hastings and just before Clark Dr. The Downtown Eastside. The most notorious street in all of Canada, known for safe injection sites, where people can go 20 hours of the day and have nurses inject them with drugs. Also an area where open drug use is allowed and prostitution, although illegal, the Vancouver Police put a blind eye towards.

I was going 60km/hr (4th gear going 2000rpm) and see a cops sirens behind me. With all these obvious problems going around society, I get dinged with a speeding ticket. I got a no front plate ticket after I questioned the mandate of the VPD and to see how the officer feels about whats going on around him.

I think the line that got me the extra $100 ticket was "I understand you have to fulfill a ticket quota at the end of the month, and since you only have a few days to do it, I understand why you're giving me this ticket although I wasn't even speeding. However, do you see the problems around society and yet you want a ding a 22 year old clean cut guy who pays his taxes and has never been arrested. Are you serious?". This was where he gave me the extra ticket and asked if I had any further questions. I just said, I'll see you in court.

Thumbs down to the police not seeing the more important things.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:24 PM   #2
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At least you didn't get a ticket for your exhaust as well....? Either way, I think any cop that gives someone a ticket for going 10 over is really just being an ass...
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:52 PM   #3
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It's tough to swallow, but 10 over is still breaking the law.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:58 PM   #4
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2 weeks ago -- i got a ticket for going 75km ($138) and no front plate ($109).

Pay within 30 days, -$50.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:59 PM   #5
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It sure is. I wasn't TOO upset about the ticket, it happens, I was more upset that I got a speeding ticket going 60km/hr FOLLOWING the flow of traffic and looking around me seeing dead beats, prostitution, and people injecting drugs into their arms in broad daylight.

The priorities and the mandate of the criminal justice system seems backwards.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:09 PM   #6
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In 2004 the provincial government changed the way traffic fine revenues were being distributed. Where before only a flat $10,000,000 was handed out to the VPD no matter how many tickets they gave out, it was changed so that 100% of the revenue from traffic fines they issued would be given back to them.

Having said that, it would seem that there is a conflict of interest in the way part of the VPD is funded being that the more tickets they give out (hence the quotas and the massive amounts of speed traps) the more revenues they generate. This is really just a thought but it doesn't negate the fact that they make a fair chunk of money off all the traffic fines they give out.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:50 PM   #7
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you probably wouldn't have gotten that ticket in a Camry.....

you get what you pay for. obnoxious sti + attitude = fines. simple cost of doing business. get over it
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:06 PM   #8
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The most notorious street in all of Canada, known for safe injection sites, where people can go 20 hours of the day and have nurses inject them with drugs.
Sorry to hear about your ticket Derek...even though you were speeding.

BUT, I have to correct your statement here. As a Nurse, I have to inform you that the safe injection site Nurses DO NOT inject the drugs for users. They merely provide a clean, safe place for them to inject themselves with clean needles. The Nurses provide information to the users on how to protect themselves from infection, cellulitis, etc. In some cases the Nurses also help to clean and treat wounds and infections as well.

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Old 03-29-2007, 02:07 PM   #9
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And to think I wrote a 40 page proposal supporting the Safe Injection Sites in Vancouver and those already in existence within other countries, and I fail to know the simple premise, I am ashamed. Thanks James (seriously..haha).

Mehh. Just a rant I suppose. I can accept a speeding ticket on say Marine Dr or Highway 1...but on E Hastings. Plz.
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And to think I wrote a 40 page proposal supporting the Safe Injection Sites in Vancouver and those already in existence within other countries, and I fail to know the simple premise, I am ashamed. Thanks James (seriously..haha).
No problem...a Nurses' job is to educate
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:11 PM   #11
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Unfortunately, andys is right.
Your car is loud, both audibly and visually. Don't get me wrong, I love your STi, but it does attract the attention of everyone including the popo.

I'm not a fan of municipal police dep'ts at all. They're nothing more than a power play created by selfish politicians for their own personal gain. They do run the city though, and as such, we have to play by their rules.

On a side note, the VPD today announced that there will not be another Stanley Cup riot this year. They made it very clear that their officers are much more prepared to deal with rowdiness, and have the tools to break a riot before it starts.

Fear campaign?

That's the VPD for you.....
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hypa: Keep in mind the city, province and more than likely the country is under pressure to maintain Vancouver's reputation as a safe, clean, civil city especially now that we're under increased media eyes due to the 2010 Olympics.

Besides, I think it's not a fear campaign, more of a campaign of the VPD supporting and believing in the Canucks to go all the way and win it.
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I'd have to agree with andys. The car does come with a price when it comes to attracting attention which in this case is the unfortunate attention from the VPD.

The balance between what is realistic:
1) going with the flow of traffic
2) traffic authorities recognizing this even though it's technically speeding

And what is black and white:
1) if you don't want a ticket, don't speed

...always seems to shift.

It's totally frustrating when you get a ticket for going with the flow of traffic, and even more so when you see what else is going on around you. Add to that the question of ticket revenue and well, somebody gonna get a thread on nasioc.

I don't know how you might argue your case with the JP in court, but I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:28 PM   #14
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hypa: Keep in mind the city, province and more than likely the country is under pressure to maintain Vancouver's reputation as a safe, clean, civil city especially now that we're under increased media eyes due to the 2010 Olympics.

Besides, I think it's not a fear campaign, more of a campaign of the VPD supporting and believing in the Canucks to go all the way and win it.
Agreed. It's not a fear campaign if you have nothing to fear. Keep yourself in check and everyone will have a great time.

The cup is ours!
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:35 PM   #15
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hypa: Keep in mind the city, province and more than likely the country is under pressure to maintain Vancouver's reputation as a safe, clean, civil city especially now that we're under increased media eyes due to the 2010 Olympics.
While I agree that the police are probably under pressure to ensure everyone's perception of safety before 2010, it's the tactics they use that frustrate me. I'm sure we all remember a certain ad campaign from your police that states "we're everywhere and we're watching you". The gestapo used the same tactics to keep people in line.....

That said, I've never been scared to walk down the streets of Vancouver at night, but in the last 2 years, my stress level has increased. I've been accosted twice by homeless people downtown while walking with my wife. One filthy character was upset that I didn't give him my change, while the other was an old lady that ran up to me and gave me the middle finger while shouting something about Jesus. I still don't know what that crazy woman was on! While these were isolated incidents, and neither amounted to much more than some yelling, they sure had me on guard.

So I ask you..... if the city is so interested in ensuring that the city's reputation isn't tarnished, why don't they clean up the trash and junkies first?

Fuka doing 10 over the limit was nothing more than an easy cash grab. Many of us have been victims of a "speed tax" in the past. Besides, who goes 50kmh anyway? Do you realize that those speed limits were established in 1963? A time when cars weighed 4200lbs, and had drum brakes with bias ply tires. Auto technology has changed, so why haven't the speed limits?
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:39 PM   #16
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Mehh, good discussion I looked at the ticket, and realized if I do go to court, I'd have to miss a day of work, and then it wouldn't make sense.

I'm just upset because I was going with the flow of traffic. And I just wanted an explanation from the cop, but rather than educating me on why he's doing so and so, he just added another ticket. Mehhh.

And I got most of my previous speeding tickets in a CR-V...none with my RS-T, none on my bike etc. So, sometimes its not always the car
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:40 PM   #17
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Agreed. It's not a fear campaign if you have nothing to fear. Keep yourself in check and everyone will have a great time.
Come on now Dalton, we all break the law on a daily basis. Whether it's driving 10 over the limit, smoking outside a restaurant, or even jaywalking, nobody keeps their nose 100% clean.
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While I agree that the police are probably under pressure to ensure everyone's perception of safety before 2010, it's the tactics they use that frustrate me. I'm sure we all remember a certain ad campaign from your police that states "we're everywhere and we're watching you". The gestapo used the same tactics to keep people in line.....

That said, I've never been scared to walk down the streets of Vancouver at night, but in the last 2 years, my stress level has increased. I've been accosted twice by homeless people downtown while walking with my wife. One filthy character was upset that I didn't give him my change, while the other was an old lady that ran up to me and gave me the middle finger while shouting something about Jesus. I still don't know what that crazy woman was on! While these were isolated incidents, and neither amounted to much more than some yelling, they sure had me on guard.

So I ask you..... if the city is so interested in ensuring that the city's reputation isn't tarnished, why don't they clean up the trash and junkies first?

Fuka doing 10 over the limit was nothing more than an easy cash grab. Many of us have been victims of a "speed tax" in the past. Besides, who goes 50kmh anyway? Do you realize that those speed limits were established in 1963? A time when cars weighed 4200lbs, and had drum brakes with bias ply tires. Auto technology has changed, so why haven't the speed limits?
Believe me, I completely understand Fukamoto's frustration (and in a sense his curiosity) with why he received his tickets. And it is obviously true that the speed limits are rather antiquated. However, it is what it is, and sometimes we do get the bad luck of the draw and get fined for it. Part and parcel of driving really.

I do think, and sincerely hope, that the city will be cleaning up the bums and addicts off the streets come 2010. I still say the easiest solution is to ship them all to Alberta. They're rich, and can certainly afford to put them up in housing and give them jobs digging for oil.
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"It is what it is". Thats the best way to summarize it.

There has been a plan in place to ship all the people in the DTES (DT Eastside) to Northern BC where they will be placed in a secluded area to receive pay for legitimate work, housing, and since its secluded, no drugs around the area.

Human rights came in and totally took that off the map. Canada is too lenient. We care too much about human rights than giving in to a more authoritative figure who can get ish done.
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Back when Ralph Klein won with the PC party, I understand he shipped all the druggies and welfare folks to BC. Maybe it's an urban myth but maybe it's time we send them back?
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I do think, and sincerely hope, that the city will be cleaning up the bums and addicts off the streets come 2010. I still say the easiest solution is to ship them all to Alberta. They're rich, and can certainly afford to put them up in housing and give them jobs digging for oil.
Let's vote on it. That's a referendum I'd definately show up for!

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I'm just upset because I was going with the flow of traffic. And I just wanted an explanation from the cop, but rather than educating me on why he's doing so and so, he just added another ticket. Mehhh.
That's true. Some communication/explanation would be nice.
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Come on now Dalton, we all break the law on a daily basis. Whether it's driving 10 over the limit, smoking outside a restaurant, or even jaywalking, nobody keeps their nose 100% clean.
I agree with you, but with regards to rioting, everyone knows that's definitely over the line right? There's a certain level of normality / grey area that is generally accepted.
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There has been a plan in place to ship all the people in the DTES (DT Eastside) to Northern BC where they will be placed in a secluded area to receive pay for legitimate work, housing, and since its secluded, no drugs around the area.

Human rights came in and totally took that off the map. Canada is too lenient. We care too much about human rights than giving in to a more authoritative figure who can get ish done.
Are you serious?

What a joke, we should ship those human rights hippies to the north as well!
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I agree with you on that Dalton.
But if you look at the 10,000 or so people "rioting" back in 94', only 500 were arrested. That equals .005% of participants who were the ones actually doing the rioting. I know a number of people who were caught in the riot, and just wanted to get home.

As it often happens, the police generalize that we're all criminals. As a tax paying citizen who has never been arrested, I take offense to those accusations. I am not a criminal, and I don't want to be stereotyped as one.
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