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Old 03-29-2007, 10:40 AM   #1
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It appears that after the "6 month education campaign" is now over. The Van City By-Law officers will be enforcing the new no-idling law. Up to 100$ if they catch you idling your car for more than 3 minutes.

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"Anti-Idle Bylaw kicks in for real
Mar, 29 2007 - 12:00 AM

VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980) - As of now, if you leave your vehicle idling for longer than three minutes, City of Vancouver By-law Officers could write you a ticket. Fines will range from 50 dollars for a basic violation to 100 dollars for a heavy truck or unattended vehicle.

Project Manager Brian Beck says the City isn't anticipating a backlash when the tickets start to go out, "People will save money by doing this, they'll also reduce emissions and cut down on noise and just be respectful of their fellow citizens. So we don't think we're asking a lot. I don't think we're going to get a lot of backlash; we're taking some internal steps as the Parking By-law Officers engage, they're doing it in a respectful way and hopefully we'll have some success."
During a six month education and awareness campaign, residents were encouraged to call an Idle-Free Hotline reporting repeat offenders and problem locations. Beck says a few hundred complaints came in, many over noise concerns. The areas affected were widespread."

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Old 03-29-2007, 10:45 AM   #2
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How are they going to monitor 3 minutes?

Sounds stupid to me...I'll bet 3 weeks until the first person says they got a ticket for running their turbo timer for 30 seconds and gets ticketed.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:10 AM   #3
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So I guess if you're sitting in a traffic jam you have to decide which is cheaper, the idling ticket for not turning your car off or the parking ticket if you turn it off and you're in a no parking zone.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:15 AM   #4
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How are they going to monitor 3 minutes?

Sounds stupid to me...I'll bet 3 weeks until the first person says they got a ticket for running their turbo timer for 30 seconds and gets ticketed.
either that or someone remote starting their car is going to get nailed for having their vehicle idling and 'unattended'
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:57 AM   #5
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So I guess if you're sitting in a traffic jam you have to decide which is cheaper, the idling ticket for not turning your car off or the parking ticket if you turn it off and you're in a no parking zone.
I don't think it applies if you're in a traffic jam does it? Even still, if I'm really stuck and not moving at all in a jam I'll shut off my car anyway. Lazy to keep having my foot on the brake pedal.

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either that or someone remote starting their car is going to get nailed for having their vehicle idling and 'unattended'
Do we really need remote start in Vancouver? It doesn't get that cold here to warrant warming up the interior of the car in the morning. Not to mention the quickest way for a car's bits to get warmed up is to simply start driving.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:58 AM   #6
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I guess this means you will get a ticket when you sit stationary on Highway 1 during rush hour traffic.

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Old 03-29-2007, 12:04 PM   #7
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............I guess this means you will get a ticket when you sit stationary on Highway 1 during rush hour traffic
there are some exceptions to the rule.
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Do we really need remote start in Vancouver? It doesn't get that cold here to warrant warming up the interior of the car in the morning. Not to mention the quickest way for a car's bits to get warmed up is to simply start driving.
Maybe it's just me but I never just start up a car and take off, just seems like it's a better idea to wait a few seconds to get things 'going' first... If I forgot where I parked in a large lot, it helps too... I can hear my car from far enough away... lol.

No factual reason I guess, just one of those feel better things, like people who put a turbo timer on a car with a water cooled turbo.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:11 PM   #9
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This of course means that the bylaw officer has to sit there and see you idling for more than 3 minutes before he can give you a ticket
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Maybe it's just me but I never just start up a car and take off, just seems like it's a better idea to wait a few seconds to get things 'going' first... If I forgot where I parked in a large lot, it helps too... I can hear my car from far enough away... lol.

No factual reason I guess, just one of those feel better things, like people who put a turbo timer on a car with a water cooled turbo.
Well that's the thing, you start up your car, wait 10-20 seconds, and drive off. That isn't going to get you a ticket, unless of course you're idling for more than 3 minutes.

It's a rule that isn't going to be noticed by many, and it honestly would save people money via reduced fuel consumption and it would help lessen pollution for our city. Boggles my mind why there are so many "complaints".
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My only complaint is that when I ahve my turbo timer on, and I'm walking away from the car, even though its less than 3 minutes, how will the cop know? Unless the cop stands there for 3 minutes, which the cop won't.

My concern comes from tickets which are unwarranted.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:09 PM   #12
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^That's similar to what I was trying to say Keiho, if I had remote started my car, they'd see an unattended car idling and could immediately assume that it's been 3+ minutes

oh well, I doubt cop cars will be camping out in parking lots anyway
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:14 PM   #13
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The tickets will mostly be issued by by-law officers. It is their job to walk around and issue tickets, so I am sure they could just sit at some coffee shop and count the minutes while drinking coffee
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:22 PM   #14
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Well that's the thing, if it's unwarranted, dispute it. And I believe the city and the officers know that it's not such a black and white affair unless they literally do physically wait by the car and count the minutes. I'm sure there'll be lots of leeway given.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:29 PM   #15
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Word... It's probably no big deal.
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:50 PM   #16
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I like Langley and Surrey's bylaws better.
If you leave your car running unattended and someone drives off with it, you're insurance is voided.

That's a much bigger hit to your wallet than a $50 ticket.



That said, I wonder if this is going to do anything as far as the environment is concerned. I saw an industrial fire yesterday that spewed so much black smoke into the clouds that it actually started raining. Now, try to tell me that a bunch of cars sitting around idling is going to do more damage than a fire at a chemical plant. Conversely, you take 100 idling cars off the roads of Vancouver, but do nothing about the 10,000 cars that site for 10 minutes each, idling through traffic while cruising down Burrard every afternoon.
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Meh, probably won't do much at all, but every tiny little bit helps. And even if it doesn't help, it won't contribute more to the problem right?

On a side note, I test drove a Civic Hybrid over the weekend and found the feature where it shut off the petrol engine when the car is stopped to be immensely cool.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:20 PM   #18
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Isn't that neat?



My brother in law has an older Honda hybrid, and the engine shutdown, along with the effeciency guage were cool tools.

Too bad his 10 year old hybrid now needs over $8g in batteries.
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When I was driving it I may have been driving too aggressive, isn't it supposed to be 100% powered by the battery when driving under 60km/h? At least that's what the brochure said. Even when I was under 60 I could hear the petrol engine working...or maybe I'm just expecting too much?

Would be cool driving a dead silent car.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:35 PM   #20
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Obviously, it doesn't apply when you are in traffic even if it is bumper to bumper (although I do turn the car off when I'm waiting for a train to cross).

But I hope the bylaw gets adopted in other municipalities, too.

In Coquitlam, I see so many people who just sit in their car with the engine running waiting for people at the West Coast Express station (or in a no parking zone in front of some shopping mall doors). The train station is the worst because people will wait there for 15-20 minutes with the engine running waiting to pick someone up on the next train. I don't mind them wasting their own gas money, but when I'm parked behind them, I don't like to smell their fumes. I end up having to keep my windows closed and closing all the vents all the while watching the puffs of smoke coming out of their exhaust .
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Too bad his 10 year old hybrid now needs over $8g in batteries.
Doesn't Toyota warranty their batteries for 15 years? They did it because it's a new technology and people were worried that that would happen. You'd figure Honda would have done the same thing.

The neat thing about the (new?) Toyota hybrids is that the a/c runs off the batteries, so you could be sitting in your parked car in climate controlled comfort while you're parked at the side of the road .
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yea this isn't such a bad idea.. just pretty hard to enforce imo..

maybe only in some of those really bad places like Picard said.. i hate it when ppl just sit there for 10min in parking lots waiting to pick up friends.. freaking stupid..
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not warming my car up in the AM will do nothing for the environment except cause me to spend more time driving with "cold" cats. dumb.
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Doesn't Toyota warranty their batteries for 15 years? They did it because it's a new technology and people were worried that that would happen. You'd figure Honda would have done the same thing.
Not sure what it was before, but the warranty on their battery packs for the new Civic Hybrid is for 8 years.
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not warming my car up in the AM will do nothing for the environment except cause me to spend more time driving with "cold" cats. dumb.
Driving around will warm up the cold "cats" much faster than idling in your driveway.
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