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Old 04-02-2007, 12:10 AM   #1
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Default Noticed some things while cruising around with my cheapo projectors

Besides the fact that I had to rewire the "plug and play" to match the polarity of my stock harness and use some zip ties to fasten them more securely, these cheapo projectors are pretty cool. They actually look pretty nice on the car, and I wired them so I could use high and low at the same time if I want. (When they substituted hids and ballasts for the original h1's, they didn't compensate for polarity change that the halogen bulbs would still work with.)
I did notice something that I never thought about before getting projectors. Now with the sharp cutoff line there are two issues that are annoying me more each night I drive:
-You can only see things below the cutoff line (very difficult to see stop signs and street signs now)
-The cutoff line rises into the view of oncoming traffic if I accelerate rapidly and bring the nose of the car up (even though I have agx's adjusted to 75% stiffness)
It is cool to see the cutoff line on the rear and sides of cars when they pass, and several people have commented on how "sweet" they look, but I really miss the hint of "glare" that rose high enough to reflect off street signs (that were obviously designed to reflect from the glare normal headlights produce, from what it seems) This actually seems like a disadvantage with using projector type headlamps, especially since the superior ones are supposed to have such sharp clean cutoff lines with no "glare".
Does anyone else wish they still had a little "glare" in their life? Just kidding, but it seems like a safety issue, and I'm actually thinking of selling these projectors to put my RS headlamps back on with bixenon hids.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:47 AM   #2
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wow never really thought about that. can you aim your lights up any? It would probably kill other drivers view, but would help you see more signs.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:55 AM   #3
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wow never really thought about that. can you aim your lights up any? It would probably kill other drivers view, but would help you see more signs.

That's just it, seems to be a paradox.. either blind the oncoming traffic with my perty cutoff line and maybe still not see signs or just deal with it and feel unsafe, or just put the stockers back on with hids. I never got flashed with my stockers and hid bulbs but I thought having the sharp cutoff line would help overall vision..
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:51 AM   #4
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Your lights are probably aimed too low. I have a projector retrofit and I can see road signs just fine You should be able to aim them up a little higher without blinding anyone and it should allow you to see those road signs a little better.

I hope you aren't using HID's in halogen projectors. That could also be part of the problem. Got any pics of your cutoff?
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:05 PM   #5
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Your lights are probably aimed too low. I have a projector retrofit and I can see road signs just fine You should be able to aim them up a little higher without blinding anyone and it should allow you to see those road signs a little better.

I hope you aren't using HID's in halogen projectors. That could also be part of the problem. Got any pics of your cutoff?

No, they aren't aimed too low, if I aim them any higher they will rise as the beam goes outward. Remember, the point is NOT to blind oncoming traffic. Yes it has hid bulbs like the original post said, (what does that have to do with this?) and no that is not the problem. I already tried swapping the high beam halogens into the low beam projectors and it does nothing but get dimmer and less white. The cutoff line is like on my friend's 06 wrx, it has a small step to the right of center for each beam that rises just a little. Looks kinda like this
___________----------------_____________----------------- but the step is so close you have to have the lights on a wall to see it. No, I didn't post pictures because I'd rather not listen to people criticizing the beam pattern when it isn't any different from an 06wrx. If you don't believe me when I tell you, it doesn't bother me. There just isn't enough "glare" for my taste, I may just go back to the stock housings if I can't adjust to it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XENON...96978116QQrdZ1 <These are the projectors in question

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Old 04-02-2007, 05:35 PM   #6
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You have confirmed my point. Those after market headlights you got are designed to work with halogen bulbs, not HID bulbs. HID projectors use bulbs with sizes like D2S, not H1. Those projectors probably aren't the best quality either. This is probably why you are getting poor results.
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:49 AM   #7
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Its only confirmed in your mind. I told you I tried the halogen bulbs and it didn't matter, just less bright. Did you read that part? Maybe the quality of the projectors should be improved by giving them LESS glare? I told you there isn't enough glare above the cutoff line. I'm not complaining about the light below the cutoff line, it is fine. What I am talking about is lack of light ABOVE the cutoff line, how difficult is that to comprehend? There has to be some glare designed into the oem ones or you wouldn't be able to see street signs. The signs are way above the cutoff line, and also above the roofs of most cars.
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is not glare, the beam rises to the right to help light up street signs
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:07 AM   #9
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is not glare, the beam rises to the right to help light up street signs

I think that is the problem with mine, they don't have that slight angle that rises up to the right like I've seen on some stock projectors, just two short step ups that start in the middle and move right
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Dude, I'm just trying to help out. I read your post just fine

I am just saying that you will get better results using the correct halogen bulbs in your projectors, not HID. Obviously it won't be as bright but that's what your headlights are designed for. That might help give you some more light above the cutoff too.

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:37 PM   #11
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You might try rotating the projectors slightly to get the stepped portion of the cutoff a little higher.

Most lights don't look like ___---- on the cutoff, but more like __/ (more angle) I'd go take a picture of mine, but it's snowing badly. (and yes, I know the '06+ have a weird mini-step unlike the older lights with a slope).

You could try to dremel the shields on one of the lights to see if you could get more, but I'd be careful and go slowly so you don't fsck something up.

Your other option would be to go get some good HID projectors, like those from a TSX, S2k, BMW, or STi, and retro them in place of your halogen projectors.



You may also want to check out HID planet, and do some further research on the subject, and get help from more knowledgeable people than us, go here http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/

(and halogen bulbs do have more randomness as to where exactly they create the light, causing more spread or "glare", so steverx05 is right, and yes I've seen side-by-side comparisons, though I doubt that the extra spread would do anything to compensate for the ishty projector pattern.)

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Old 04-06-2007, 12:11 AM   #12
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can you post pics of the light output? that will be the only real way to convince anyone. my old roommate had the lights you have and i'm siding with everyone else... they are not great. its possible that they are better quality, but you need pics to get your point across.
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