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Old 03-26-2007, 06:30 PM   #1
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Default '05 STi PIAA 1400 fogs behind grill

Didnt know if this is the right section or How To would be better but here goes.

So first I picked up some simple L corner braces from the hardware store. I think they are 1 1/4 X 1/14 but dont quote me. I also picked up four M5 nuts and two M5X16's bolts and two M5X10's bolts (or M5X8 can't remember)



Attach the L bracket as above to the light. I used the shorter bolt here (M5X10 or 8)



Adjust the light sides so that the bolt is @ the rear. This lets the light sit all the way back, or at least as far as it will go. Take time here getting the L braces straight and making sure this adjustment is straight. This is basically aiming the lights. You can come back and adjust later, but you will want to dial it in pretty good.



Here is the adjustment on the other side of the the light.



This piece covers the hood latch cable. The only thing I think it does is block the cable and make it harder for someone to break in under the hood. It will be in your way if you leave it. I bent it back and forth until it snapped. It's a tad thicker than a soda can.



Here it is out of the way. Now adjust the cable so it is out of your way. The middle hole I drilled 1" between the existing whole with a clip holding the hood cable and 1" in from the square grill bracket hole. Look at the whole in the middle with the dremel wander marks. That is where you will mount the light. I just used a small metal drill bit and cleaned the burrs down with a dremel bit.



Here I did the same thing on the passengers side (light already installed). I just split the distance between the two stock holes.



Back to the drivers side as this is the harder one do to the cable being in your way. You want to put the L brace behind the radiator support and in front of the hood latch cable. I pulled the cable down to get it out of my way so it wasn't effecting the level of the light.



slip it into place just like so.

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Old 03-26-2007, 06:31 PM   #2
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USE LOTS OF LOCKTITE! I don't know about you but my suby sees a ton of vibration from harsh roads. Don't want to let the roads re-aim my fogs



Here is the passengers side in place and locktited up.



Now both installed and "pre-aimed"



Further back view w/o grill on.



Harness plugged up to lights.



Middle of the light is 22" off the ground. Nice! Not optimal but within tolerances per Tirerack.com





Here is where you will run the wire harness. Right under the drivers side headlight. I zip ties the wires to the horn first, and then continued the wires down under the headlight.



Close up of wire route. Note the white plastic piece. See where the wiring went right below that? Use that as a ref point if you do the same.

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Old 03-26-2007, 06:32 PM   #3
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Grill on! There is about 1-2mm of clearance but it should be enough. I know these lights will create heat but while driving the air should cool them fine. I will let you know if I end up melting my mesh though.



This pic is taken @ my eye level. You can barely see those puppies hiding back there.



Tuner lugs, +15whp!




still need to finish the wiring and post pics w/lights on in fog.
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Old 03-27-2007, 04:39 PM   #4
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good job...how about maybe some night pics
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:14 AM   #5
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Drum roll..............................



hahaha just playin. Crap camera but you get the idea.

This was about 7'-9' away from my garage door.

Just fogs



HID Low Beams



HID Low Beams and Fog Lights



Halogen High Beams



Halogen High Beams wit /fog Lights




All in all the camera doesn't do these lights any justice. They are phenomenal little fog lights. Worth EVERY penny imo, and I haven't runt them in any fog yet.


to be continued......................in fog.
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:11 PM   #6
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But then where do you put your Supertones lol.
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Old 03-30-2007, 03:11 PM   #7
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But then where do you put your Supertones lol.
There is plenty of room. Supertones are not a must have mod for me. I much rather be able to see in the fog then blare my horn at shatty drivers. But I can still install them.
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Old 03-30-2007, 03:28 PM   #8
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^^True true but I'm getting a retrofit and also HID fogs so if anything I might use these for DRL's, looks great. You have a shot of the lights on from the front?
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Old 03-30-2007, 03:41 PM   #9
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^^True true but I'm getting a retrofit and also HID fogs so if anything I might use these for DRL's, looks great. You have a shot of the lights on from the front?
No, but tonight I will take a few.
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Old 03-30-2007, 03:44 PM   #10
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uhh...


it looks great, but in terms of fog light performance i don't think this is a good setup.

with a fog light you want it low and you want them mounted as far to the sides of the car as possible.

this is because the biggest problem with fog is reflection glare, and you get less of it the farther to the side you are from the light.

also, it may be that you're just very close to that garage door, but it seems like those beam patterns are more like driving beams, they're not flat and wide, they're round and wide. maybe it's just because they're mounted higher than your lowbeams, but i doubt these will help much in the fog.

are you sure they're a fog beam? there's an awful lot of glare above the majority of the light output for a fog light.
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it looks great, but in terms of fog light performance i don't think this is a good setup.

with a fog light you want it low and you want them mounted as far to the sides of the car as possible.

this is because the biggest problem with fog is reflection glare, and you get less of it the farther to the side you are from the light.

also, it may be that you're just very close to that garage door, but it seems like those beam patterns are more like driving beams, they're not flat and wide, they're round and wide. maybe it's just because they're mounted higher than your lowbeams, but i doubt these will help much in the fog.

are you sure they're a fog beam? there's an awful lot of glare above the majority of the light output for a fog light.
The lights are adjustable and that was my first initial aim. I can aim them down, that was straight out.

Couple of things come into play for the pics. 1, I am in an inclinded driveway so the lights point up or it seems that way. 2nd thing is my HID low beams are adjustable and pointed all the way down. So that makes the fogs look a lot higher than the low beam cutoff. 3, I need to make a 5 min adjustment to point these down a tad. I was in a hurry to get pics up

These are the lights, and YES there are specfically fog lights. Mine are the Ion Crystal Fog Black. From PIAA "The compact 1400 is the world’s smallest fog lamp. Super Multi-Surface Reflector provides an effective fog pattern".





You sure doubt a lot (not just refering to this thread). I did my research, and these will work just fine in fog. Sorry the project is not up to your standards.
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You sure doubt a lot (not just refering to this thread). I did my research, and these will work just fine in fog. Sorry the project is not up to your standards.
well if you need to aim them that's fine, but the placement is important.

doubt isn't the right word. i think you mean criticize . i doubt that these will be as effective for fog use as (dare i say? yes, i dare say) optilux 1100 fogs mounted lower and farther apart. fog is very hard to deal with- just because they're the smallest fog light doesn't mean they do a good job. i think the bulb should be shielded for a fog light if there's reflectors instead of fluted glass lens or projector in front of it. but yeah. sorry for giving you doubtful feedback.
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nice but there to much in the center i think you would want them on the ends witch would be not putting them in the grill area but they do look nice.
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well if you need to aim them that's fine, but the placement is important.

doubt isn't the right word. i think you mean criticize . i doubt that these will be as effective for fog use as (dare i say? yes, i dare say) optilux 1100 fogs mounted lower and farther apart. fog is very hard to deal with- just because they're the smallest fog light doesn't mean they do a good job. i think the bulb should be shielded for a fog light if there's reflectors instead of fluted glass lens or projector in front of it. but yeah. sorry for giving you doubtful feedback.
So basically with no experience with said light, you know more than PIAA. Got a chance to use these in very dense fog and they work like a charm. Have a nice day nay sayer. You should apply at PIAA and help them make better lights with your vast knowledge.
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Nice DIY! Ive got PIAA 002X driving lights in mine.

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I agree with Handsdown

You won't get the full benifit of the fogs mounted where they are.
I'm sure you will be flashed even if you aim the lights down.
Aiming the lights down will reduce the performance even more

I'll try and post pics for you later of the PIAA fogs that are on my RS and you can see the difference in the beam pattern and how much wider it is.

Though I do think it is a great set up for driving lights

And I do like those PIAA mini fogs
Thinking of getting a set for my Forester
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So basically with no experience with said light, you know more than PIAA. Got a chance to use these in very dense fog and they work like a charm. Have a nice day nay sayer. You should apply at PIAA and help them make better lights with your vast knowledge.
The yellow light will help visibility in the fog no matter where you mount them, but as already indicated, you need the fogs low (and ideally, at the corners of the bumper) to minimize glare and use them to their full potential.
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I agree with Handsdown

You won't get the full benifit of the fogs mounted where they are.
I'm sure you will be flashed even if you aim the lights down.
Aiming the lights down will reduce the performance even more

I'll try and post pics for you later of the PIAA fogs that are on my RS and you can see the difference in the beam pattern and how much wider it is.

Though I do think it is a great set up for driving lights

And I do like those PIAA mini fogs
Thinking of getting a set for my Forester
What about all the new cars with fogs built into the headlights?

i.e. the EVO X and the new G35. Do those not work?
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What about all the new cars with fogs built into the headlights?

i.e. the EVO X and the new G35. Do those not work?
It's not that they don't work, it's that they won't work as well as they would were they mounted lower.
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It's not that they don't work, it's that they won't work as well as they would were they mounted lower.
Well they work in Humboldt County's dense a55 fog and that's what I needed.

Some people can't understand I explored all the other places to mount them.

A lot of people don't read and tell me to put them in the lower grill (not just in this thread), well that doesn't work with a FMIC. But they chose to ignore that.

(not just in this thread)Then they tell me put them further apart in the grill, well in my write up I explained that would work either do to clearance but still people didn't read and said I should do that.

(not just in this thread)People don't read much and it sucks. You do a nice how to trying to share info and every one says with 0 experience with this location and these lights that it won't work or won't work well, well it does.

Thanks to everyone that had positive comments, and to all the negative feedback on the install (with out reading!) See I don't mind the negative feedback or postive critisism but when you do it to stuff I specifically pointed out then it just makes me not want to post these how to's for other people.

This install was a comprmise fromt he begining. I needed fogs and had no where I could put them as I scrape the ground and have a FMIC going in. I wanted the lights semi hidden and to cut fog, and guess what MISSION-A-MOTHA-FAWKIN-COMPLISHED!

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