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Old 07-31-2006, 10:10 AM   #1
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Default Resolution of '06 STI smoking problem.

Background. 2006 WRX STI 1173 miles. Broken in per SOA reccomendations. 93 octane used exclusively. Car started smoking badly on start up for about 5 seconds. After smoke dissipated, car idled normally and drove normally. The car was not down on power from what I could discern. I brought it into the dealer for service to rectify the issue.


I got my car back from the dealer today after 9 days out of service. Their were no DTCs stored and fluid levels were full. The A/F sensor was showing 1890 on start up. Compression normal. Leak down normal. SOA advised dealership to replace A/F sensor. Car was then test driven. I recieved the car back from the dealership with 1319 miles. That's 146 miles more than it had when I dropped it off. 146 miles seems a bit excessive. I was told that SOA advised the dealership mechanic to do this. Does that sound appropriate? The mechanic almost has more miles after break in than I have...god knows how badly it was beat on. I am sure there were more than a few full throttle runs to ensure the maintenance discrepancy did not recur. What do you guys/gals think?
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:58 AM   #2
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Background. 2006 WRX STI 1173 miles. Broken in per SOA reccomendations. 93 octane used exclusively. Car started smoking badly on start up for about 5 seconds. After smoke dissipated, car idled normally and drove normally. The car was not down on power from what I could discern. I brought it into the dealer for service to rectify the issue.


I got my car back from the dealer today after 9 days out of service. Their were no DTCs stored and fluid levels were full. The A/F sensor was showing 1890 on start up. Compression normal. Leak down normal. SOA advised dealership to replace A/F sensor. Car was then test driven. I recieved the car back from the dealership with 1319 miles. That's 146 miles more than it had when I dropped it off. 146 miles seems a bit excessive. I was told that SOA advised the dealership mechanic to do this. Does that sound appropriate? The mechanic almost has more miles after break in than I have...god knows how badly it was beat on. I am sure there were more than a few full throttle runs to ensure the maintenance discrepancy did not recur. What do you guys/gals think?
That sucks. I'm pretty sure 146 miles is too excessive. You can either force them to give you another car, or realize you'll eventually be beating on your car far harder than those techs could ever have.

Well, thats what I tell myself whenever some besides myself drives my car. "Ok, remember that time I (insert), yeah, cant believe she held together on that"

Still isn't a good feeling though, sorry man.
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:26 AM   #3
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You know if the problem is fixed I wouldn't worry to much about 146 miles on it. Knowing a few mechanics it can take some miles to make sure the problem doesnt continue to occur. Now if the problem comes back then it is time to complain.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:08 PM   #4
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If I knew they fixed the problem, I wouldn't care if they had driven it 300 miles. When troubleshooting/testing something, you've got to put it through a hundred scenarios to see if you can get the problem to reoccur under any circumstance (to make sure your assumption and fix was correct).

So has the problem reoccured after replacing A/F sensor, or does that seem to have fixed it? Hope so, and good luck!
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:10 PM   #5
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146 miles doesn't really seem that much to me....but then again thats a daily commute for me.

Is the car fixed? If so be happy. If not....
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:14 PM   #6
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146 miles is not excessive. If SOA told them to test drive it to ensure the repair took, then I would be thankin them for their thoroughness. I've put 350 miles on customers cars to evaluate and verify repair is complete.

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Background. 2006 WRX STI 1173 miles. Broken in per SOA reccomendations. 93 octane used exclusively. Car started smoking badly on start up for about 5 seconds. After smoke dissipated, car idled normally and drove normally. The car was not down on power from what I could discern. I brought it into the dealer for service to rectify the issue.


I got my car back from the dealer today after 9 days out of service. Their were no DTCs stored and fluid levels were full. The A/F sensor was showing 1890 on start up. Compression normal. Leak down normal. SOA advised dealership to replace A/F sensor. Car was then test driven. I recieved the car back from the dealership with 1319 miles. That's 146 miles more than it had when I dropped it off. 146 miles seems a bit excessive. I was told that SOA advised the dealership mechanic to do this. Does that sound appropriate? The mechanic almost has more miles after break in than I have...god knows how badly it was beat on. I am sure there were more than a few full throttle runs to ensure the maintenance discrepancy did not recur. What do you guys/gals think?



That sucks. I'm pretty sure 146 miles is too excessive. You can either force them to give you another car, or realize you'll eventually be beating on your car far harder than those techs could ever have.

Well, thats what I tell myself whenever some besides myself drives my car. "Ok, remember that time I (insert), yeah, cant believe she held together on that"

Still isn't a good feeling though, sorry man."


give you another car? what are you smokin?
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:46 PM   #7
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146 miles doesn't really seem that much to me....but then again thats a daily commute for me.
.....I hear that. My wife and I put 120+ per day on her Civic during our commute (60 each way).
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:37 PM   #8
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:57 PM   #9
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146 miles? ouch.

Sucks for that tech.

A/F sensor pays 1.0 hrs

146 miles of driving would probably be 3 hrs alone, not to mention following the trouble tree and going back and forth with SOA that tech has probably at least 10hrs into that job. I sure hope he has good punch times for it and the rep authorizes them some straight time.
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:07 PM   #10
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i'd be pissed
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:11 PM   #11
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i'd be pissed

The only people that should be pissed are the technician (get's paid by the job) and the service writer / manager (get paid a commision based off how many hours they sell)

You as a customer should be happy that they worked on the car as much as they did even when they were not getting paid!
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:45 PM   #12
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It's not my fault it took 9 days to determine a faulty A/F sensor. On a side note, what IS an A/F sensor? I know what a MAF is...I know what an O2 sensor is. The service manager did not know for sure. Oh, and he had way more than 10 hours into the job. The car was either being test driven or up on a lift in the service bay the entire 9 days. Anyways, thanks for the insights people. The car runs great now.
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:15 PM   #13
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A/F sensor measures the air/fuel mix of the engine. It makes sure that the mixture stays near stoich, neither going too lean nor too rich.

146 miles may seem a bit high, but at the same time if it's a goofy code that is rarely seen(or never seen before on a Subie), then I think they were covering their booties by making sure that the light wouldn't come back on.



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Old 08-01-2006, 12:02 AM   #14
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Well, figure they probably test drove the car first to try to make the problem occur. They had it for 9 days? Perhaps it took 2-3 days of early morning startups and drives to try to reproduce the issue? Were they even able to reproduce it or did they just replace it on your word? I bet they could have put 35-50 miles on the car easily just trying a few days of test drives.

Then figure running it through it's paces a bit to verify that it was fixed correctly.

While 146 is high...it doesn't appear excessive to me.
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Old 08-01-2006, 07:15 AM   #15
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The car runs great now.
Then stop bitching and go home happy.

Not to be too blunt about this but....146 miles to make sure the code doesn't come back is squat.

Ok?
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:40 AM   #16
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The car immediately smoked badly the first morning they started it (cold starts only). I'm going to need to get a factory service manual for this car. I have never had a car with an A/F sensor. I always thought the O2 sensor was for keeping the air/fuel mixture correct. I think Finnrex has probably hit the nail on the head. The dealer mentioned they had not seen this before on a car with nothing done to it. The part was sent to SOA for analysis.

Bryan, there was no code, which contributed to the troubles diagnosing it.

Thanks again everyone. This place reminds me of being at work.

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Old 08-01-2006, 11:35 AM   #17
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The only people that should be pissed are the technician (get's paid by the job) and the service writer / manager (get paid a commision based off how many hours they sell)

You as a customer should be happy that they worked on the car as much as they did even when they were not getting paid!

I wonder why dealerships don't like to do warranty work
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:38 AM   #18
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Are you sure it oil smoke (bluish) and not normal condinsation (white)?????
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:17 PM   #19
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It was fuel mixed with oil. I have no idea how oil was getting into my intercooler but the main cloud was fuel (white) with a touch of oil (blue) mixed in.
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:37 PM   #20
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2+ hours of driving seems excessive regardless. Making sure the car's problem was fixed (especially if all they did was replace the O2 sensor) doesn't take 146 miles IMHO.
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Old 08-02-2006, 01:31 PM   #21
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It was fuel mixed with oil. I have no idea how oil was getting into my intercooler but the main cloud was fuel (white) with a touch of oil (blue) mixed in.
oil gets in the IC because of the valve cover vents, the pvc vent, or a leaky turbo seal.

Reason why people put catch cans.
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Old 08-02-2006, 01:51 PM   #22
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That is BS!. 146 miles? To fix a smoking at start up problem? Did he start the car 146 times and go for a mile trip around the block? wow

I'd find out how far his commute mileage was and see if it figures out to be his commute for a week.

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Old 08-02-2006, 04:42 PM   #23
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146 miles sure is a lot, when I had my sychros replaced in the evo, they drove it for 5 miles, that's it. I would demand a new car or maybe atleast and extended warranty
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146 miles sure is a lot, when I had my sychros replaced in the evo, they drove it for 5 miles, that's it. I would demand a new car or maybe atleast and extended warranty
BS.

synchros are a whole different deal. Its a hard part that is easily diagnosed and replaced. This is a completely different situation.

Sorry you cannot recognize that.

A whole new car for 146 miles..... you cannot possibly be serious.
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146 is excessive, maximum test drive time for a problem like that shouldve been 50 miles, MAXIMUM.
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