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Old 12-14-2001, 03:47 PM   #1
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Default DMS gold vs KYB/AGX with GC... what would you choose?

Price isn't the issue.... my friend has 02 WRX sedan and is split between both......

I told him he should buy the DMS 40mm golds for his REX..... I have the KYB/AGX on my RS and recommended to stepping up and buying the better suspension....

Please post your comments and opinions or what you would do...

Tks.

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Old 12-14-2001, 04:37 PM   #2
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thats like apples to oranges.

do the golds.
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Old 12-14-2001, 05:19 PM   #3
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DMS all the way if money is no issue, KYB/AGX in my book dont even compare to the DMS'
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Old 12-14-2001, 05:35 PM   #4
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No comparison....

But if he goes the lowcost route, make sure he knows the shortcomings... Do a search and you'll see.
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Old 12-14-2001, 05:47 PM   #5
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yeah pretty much what they said
agx/GD is almost exactly half the cost...
you get what you pay for
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Old 12-14-2001, 05:49 PM   #6
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Well, I have the KYBs with Eibach Prokit, and I like 'em. I don't have enough experience on the track that I really need anything more. Plus, my kidneys will die on the crappy roads here if I had anything much stiffer. My buddy has coilovers on his Audi, and asked me if I could hook him up with struts because of the roads, so you have to choose for yourself. . .
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Old 12-14-2001, 07:10 PM   #7
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It is worth noting that DMS are like no other coilover of which I am aware, in that they are more comfortable than stock on the WRX, when you go with the stock 180/180 spring rates.

SilverScooby, I had the Pro-Kit/AGX combo on my Legacy GT wagon. When I switched to the DMS, the car handled better and was a lot more comfortable.

As far as the original topic, that's a trick question, right? The other respondents are correct: there is no comparison in terms of toughness and ride quality. If I had the money...hell, if cost is no object, have him get the 50mm DMS. Nothing succeeds like excess.

What's interesting is that DMS are often compared to other coilover systems but objectively (yes, I love mine, but...) I don't know of a another coilover that you can drive to the rally or rally cross, run the event, drive home, or run on the track if that's what you want, yet are comfortable even on the crappy Chicago roads.

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Old 12-14-2001, 07:42 PM   #8
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Well, I have the KYBs with Eibach Prokit, and I like 'em. I don't have enough experience on the track that I really need anything more. Plus, my kidneys will die on the crappy roads here if I had anything much stiffer.
Based on my personal experience, the DMS Golds are significantly smoother on the street. I'm not sure what the Prokit spring rates are, but it seems like most guys that go with the GC coil-overs run 275f/225r or something like, as opposed to the 180f/180r or 225f/180r that are "stock" on the DMS Golds. Combine lower spring rates with much better damping characteristics and the DMS Golds are way more comfortable than the KYB/AGX + GC setup. I've ridden in a few Imprezas with KYB/AGX's and springs of one sort or another and I was really disappointed at how harsh the ride was. My first ride was long before I had the DMS Golds and was looking into suspension options - the KYB setup dropped off the list immediately.

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My buddy has coilovers on his Audi, and asked me if I could hook him up with struts because of the roads, so you have to choose for yourself. . .
Does he have good coilovers or garbage coilovers? What brand? What spring rates? Etc etc. You can't make a blanket iimplication that coilovers are bad based on your buddy's thoughts about the X Brand coilovers on a completely different vehicle.

Oh, by the way, I love the coilovers on my Mustang, so I recommend everybody get them for their Subaru.

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Old 12-14-2001, 11:10 PM   #9
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I guess anybody who likes their setup and goes against the crowd gets the flame, huh?

Read my post more closely before you get nasty. It doesn't say anywhere that I don't like coilovers. All it says is that I'm happy with my setup, and my friend with coilovers is not. BTW, I have no idea what brand they are, but I can guarantee they aren't "garbage" coilovers.
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Old 12-14-2001, 11:30 PM   #10
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Question for what gtguy said:

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I don't know of a another coilover that you can drive to the rally or rally cross, run the event, drive home, or run on the track if that's what you want
How well will the DMS 40's hold up to rally cross and maybe a few rallysprints here and there (once or twice a year)? Or should I really fork up the cash for the 50mm's that will only see approx. 50 kilometers of stages per year.

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Old 12-15-2001, 12:31 AM   #11
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The DMS Golds are not meant for rallying. That's what the 50mm Giants are for. They are built to take it. The DMS Golds are a little smaller and intended for fast road and occaisional track use.
Having said that the occaisional rallycross or gravel road isn't going to hurt them. They are still much stronger and robust than your typical KYB, etc. or japanese coilover.
Also, let's revisit something here. Although they are adjustable for ride height they are a shorter body shock and not intended to raise the car above stock ride height. In fact stock ride height is a bit too high. They are meant to lower the car about 25-30mm (or a bit lower than that if you like.) Any shock has an ideal travel range. If you try to operate them outside of that range (for example if you raise them too high and only have an inch of droop travel from static ride height) then you are liable to experience less than ideal handling and ride quality, noise, and perhaps even damage the shock.
Even on the rally cars we run stock ride height so there is no need to lift the car for a rallycross which is typically much smoother. You can easily run lowered with DMS and not worry because the car is not going to bottom out like it would with stock suspension (just ask gtguy.)

Just a little education because I know some people have the wrong idea about coilovers.

To answer your question Stefan for what you are doing the Golds should work just fine.

Silverscooby: Have your friend with the Audi talk to us. DMS makes stuff for him, too.
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Old 12-15-2001, 01:42 AM   #12
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Bottoming? What's that?



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Old 12-16-2001, 12:34 AM   #13
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Yes, it's like apples and oranges. Depends on what you're looking for. Some of us are happy with the GC setup because it meets our needs and fits the budget.

My GC KYB/AGX, Eibach combination works well for track days when the struts are set full hard. Roads aren't experienced as particularly harsh when the adjustment is moved towards the softer settings. And adjustment is fast and simple. And, I have height adjustment as well.

That said, if I wanted to spend more than twice as much, the Golds seem like the way to go. I would like to test a set....

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