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Old 04-25-2007, 09:56 AM   #1
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Default '06 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6 speed, better than Subaru awd?

There's a new guy on my local forum saying his Quattro system is beyond anything Subaru has ever made, and Audi's have been banned from rally because they're so godly.
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It has a Torsen mechanical differential, it doesnt think, it reacts. Audi was banned from rally racing there stuff was so good. There are many tests on the internet that pit Audis system against others, look them up, its pretty amazing. The new A6 with studded snow tires went UP a big jump ski ramp.
Any of this true?
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:57 AM   #2
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The torquesensing technology in Audi diffs is actually superior viscous coupling diffs that are used in subarus.

True.

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Old 04-25-2007, 09:58 AM   #3
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Just tell him that all of that doesn't mean jack when the car's in the shop.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:08 AM   #4
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theres a large portion of people who like subarus mechanical setup better. I'm definitely an Audi Fanboi and would say I like the way my WRX handled in dry weather better than the A6 demo I have now (or for that matter when I had an S4/S8 etc). but once its a loose-traction situation I'll pick the Audi hands down

edit: like any typical german car - it doesnt think it overthinks
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:40 AM   #5
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I wonder if my 5mt svx could beat him in a race.. snow dry or rain. Probably not.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:43 AM   #6
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If I recall correctly, that little stunt with the Audi driving up the ski jump ramp wasn't what it seemed. Supposedly there was some assistance from a winch pulling it up.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:47 AM   #7
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/\ safety cable

Just tell him 'your Audi will look great, broken down in your driveway'
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:50 AM   #8
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There was a discussion about that a couple days ago and this pic was posted



Looks like it's just a safety device
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:54 AM   #9
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Hold up... you're telling me that Audi's Quattro system is better than Subaru's Symmetrical AWD system because of the type of diff that's used?
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:14 AM   #10
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Hold up... you're telling me that Audi's Quattro system is better than Subaru's Symmetrical AWD system because of the type of diff that's used?
Yes?

Better is a relative term. But it's quite good.

The part about them being banned from Rally is MASSIVELY oversimplified, though.

Edit: reading up, I believe the ban was based more on the POWER than the AWD. This was when Group B was being choked back.
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:54 AM   #11
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:02 PM   #12
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I think the guys that do those long jumps have balls the size of grapefruits.

I'm always looking for an adrenaline rush, but no amount of money, poon, toys, whatever, could get me to ski off a freaking big ass ramp.

And I have nothing constructive to add to this thread at all.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:02 PM   #13
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Here's the thing. Audi has 1 torsen center diff. We have a center and rear LSD (Well, if you got a cool Subaru. The non-cool Subarus only have the center LSD.) 3WD > 2WD

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Old 04-25-2007, 12:07 PM   #14
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i think it's safe to say that..

Audi AWD > Subaru AWD

Audi repair costs > Subaru repair costs

Audi interiors > Subaru interiors

Audi longevity < Subaru longevity

so the "better" car is really contingent on where your priorities lie.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:29 PM   #15
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Audi AWD is not better than Subaru AWD. Audi AWD uses individual wheel braking to reduce slipping, but it only has one center LSD. Subaru AWD (with the turbo models) has a center LSD and rear LSD. But Subaru AWD doesn't inhibit the driver's inputs, with the exception of the VDC system which like the Audi system also uses individual wheel braking.

So if you're a n00b driver you should either go Audi or VDC.

The Subaru system is better for performance, as it's comparable to having traction control off vs Audi which has it on.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:31 PM   #16
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i think it's safe to say that..

Audi AWD > Subaru AWD

Audi repair costs > Subaru repair costs

Audi interiors > Subaru interiors

Audi longevity < Subaru longevity

so the "better" car is really contingent on where your priorities lie.
Well said.

The TorSen system is superior, imho, but I went with a Subaru for a number of reasons and have yet to be stuck in the snow. I'm thinking about an AllRoad for our family's next awd vehicle, to be a stable mate to a convertible.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:33 PM   #17
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I thought audis have open front and rear diffs?
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:37 PM   #18
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I thought audis have open front and rear diffs?
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Audi AWD is not better than Subaru AWD. Audi AWD uses individual wheel braking to reduce slipping, but it only has one center LSD. Subaru AWD (with the turbo models) has a center LSD and rear LSD. But Subaru AWD doesn't inhibit the driver's inputs, with the exception of the VDC system which like the Audi system also uses individual wheel braking.

So if you're a n00b driver you should either go Audi or VDC.

The Subaru system is better for performance, as it's comparable to having traction control off vs Audi which has it on.
Torsen won't help you get unstuck from snow any better than a regular viscous LSD, imho. It's just slightly better for performance driving.
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Torsen won't help you get unstuck from snow any better than a regular viscous LSD, imho. It's just slightly better for performance driving.
Yeah, but then Audi has individual wheel braking so it's like you're driving with TC on all the time. (As far as I know there's no way to turn it off). I like to manage traction on my own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKAI7LyBVkg
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Torsen won't help you get unstuck from snow any better than a regular viscous LSD, imho. It's just slightly better for performance driving.
Mechanical LSD>>>>>>>>>Electronic crap
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^ what rogue said = TRUTH!

helical diffs DO NOT WORK if there is NO RESISTANCE, meaning they don't work well in dirt, snow, sand and basically only on surfaces where the tires can get some grip, asphalt.

In terms of diffs, I think helicals > viscous,
however in terms of systems, Subaru's 2 LSDs > Quattro's one LSD + traction control.
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^ what rogue said = TRUTH!

helical diffs DO NOT WORK if there is NO RESISTANCE, meaning they don't work well in dirt, snow, sand and basically only on surfaces where the tires can get some grip, asphalt.

In terms of diffs, I think helicals > viscous,
however in terms of systems, Subaru's 2 LSDs > Quattro's one LSD + traction control.
Wow, little Mr. Expert over here. Shouldn't you be at school?
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I thought audis have open front and rear diffs?
I *think* most of them have a torsen rear diff, as well as center. I also *think* they are much less sensitive to different sized tires front-rear. Try that in a viscous center differential set up and you'll have a fried diff after several thousand miles.

Torsen setups are heavier than viscous, as well as more expensive. I think the viscous set up is more in line with what a WRX is all about - cheap and light...well, "lighter" I guess.
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Mechanical LSD>>>>>>>>>Electronic crap
Torsen is not electronic.
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^ what rogue said = TRUTH!

helical diffs DO NOT WORK if there is NO RESISTANCE, meaning they don't work well in dirt, snow, sand and basically only on surfaces where the tires can get some grip, asphalt.

In terms of diffs, I think helicals > viscous,
however in terms of systems, Subaru's 2 LSDs > Quattro's one LSD + traction control.
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