|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
05-01-2007, 12:11 AM | #1 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141994
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tennessee
Vehicle:06 STi obp |
turbo filter after ems
i ordered a hydra for my 06 sti a long ass time ago months ago, i guess element tuning is still working the bugs out of v1 for 06-07, i had a quick question i was thinking of not using my perrin big maf tubing and filter on my rotated mount, so i guess my question is , will there be a gain in performance by doing this and if so what would be recomended to protect the intake? ive heard everything from dont lose the perrin system to throwing a sock over the inlet ( which im not gonna do) the best i could come up with is getting the greddy airnex 100mm filter and slipping it over the inlet... and what did you guys do with the maf wiring i figured i would just roll it and zip tie it up inside where my stock boost controll system used to be.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
05-01-2007, 11:44 AM | #2 |
Former Vendor
Member#: 54918
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
Vehicle:673 WHP Element Tuning Pro Comp Engine |
I don't know enough about the air filter element on the Perrin kit to say if it's restrictive enough to remove or not. The bottom line is that you should run an air filter no matter what....even if you've seen my car without one No filter means dirt in your engine, it's as simple as that. Removing the oil will improve flow yet still catch debris so you may want to try that first.
With some air filters we've seen huge gains by removing it but the filter we use in our GT65 kit hardly made 3 HP at 580 whp by removing it. For all I know that's within dyno error. Thanks, Phil www.elementtuning.com |
05-01-2007, 07:22 PM | #3 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 78477
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Under the hood...
Vehicle:04 Element block Hydra pwrd t67 |
you still will need your MAF just bolt it in the fender well. It now is an IAT. I have a cone filter in the inlet of my t67 and the MAF in the fender.
Dustin |
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM | #4 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141994
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tennessee
Vehicle:06 STi obp |
so really the gain for removing the tubing all that is minimal ... the best is that it cleans up the engine bay , but just throwing a simple good quallity filter over the inlet couldnt hurt no need for a catch can
|
05-02-2007, 10:46 AM | #5 | |
Former Vendor
Member#: 54918
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
Vehicle:673 WHP Element Tuning Pro Comp Engine |
Quote:
You definitely need a proper catch can when you remove the suction form the crankcase. Something like this: This can uses a proper air/oil separator so it actually works More info here: http://www.elementtuning.com/element...oncatchcan.htm Thanks, Phil www.elementtuning.com |
|
05-02-2007, 06:15 PM | #6 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141994
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tennessee
Vehicle:06 STi obp |
didnt think about the rubber fusing .. thnks for throwing that out there man ... i probly would have caught it but that would have sucked... so now im back at square 1 .. its not really that the perrin system is extremely restrictive, its mainly that i was told the less i have in the intake system the more power i will gain, and the perrin big maf for the rotated system requires alot of modding , nothing hard , but if i dont have to and i can re-sell the system why not. i bought a catch can already i got the greddy 115 mm whats the difference between it and the one pictured?
Last edited by STIFLYBY_RANGER; 05-03-2007 at 09:50 PM. |
05-04-2007, 09:26 AM | #7 |
Former Vendor
Member#: 54918
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
Vehicle:673 WHP Element Tuning Pro Comp Engine |
From the outside it just looks like a cool can with two nice fitting on it but that's where the similarity ends. The difference is that most catch cans have two small holes going into a can with no mechanism to separate the oil from the air. We had a huge problem with our Time Attack Car using typical catch can systems. We were loosing 1/2 quart of oil in a 20 minute session. You can partly fix this by not having the can routed back into your intake but then the problem is that you do not have enough ventilation due to the small openings on the can. This results in excessive crankcase pressure and on top of that because there is no mechanism to separate the oil from the air, oil spews everywhere.
The Element Competition Can has -12AN and -10AN fittings so there is plenty of evacuation for the crankcase and because it separates the oil from the air you don't end up with oil everywhere. Our oil consumption has dropped to about 1/4 quart for 3, 20 minute sessions. As for the power difference and benefit you get from applying vacuum to the crankcase ventilation system is offset by the fact knock inducing oil is being pulled into the combustion process. Believe it or not a little bit of positive crankcase pressure will help your oil pump to be more effective. I'll go out on a limb and say that we've never had a bearing failure and every one or our race setups has used this catch can system. Thanks, Phil www.elementtuning.com |
05-07-2007, 12:23 AM | #8 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 113734
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Charleston SC
Vehicle:2023 FL5 Type R Subaruless |
Oh thats why it Reatails for $299
|
05-24-2007, 12:13 AM | #9 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141994
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tennessee
Vehicle:06 STi obp |
just got the new 2.5 today ...its bitchin!!!!!!!! but i got a quick ? should i have done anything before i ripped out my stock ecu ... i kinda got excited and installed everything except the O2 and launch control board...
|
05-24-2007, 04:53 PM | #10 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 101256
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Columbus, GA
Vehicle:2019 STI Red |
Good luck. I'll be interested to see how your 2.5 acts. Who is going to be tuning yours?
|
05-25-2007, 11:41 PM | #11 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141994
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tennessee
Vehicle:06 STi obp |
my tune shop is top speed in atl they are suppose to be really good with the hydra my car is running fine as is .. somewhat of a highe idle vut nothing too bad ...
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Part Out Turbo, Injectors, Aem Ems, Version 7 Block | EVOLUTION TUNING | Engine/Power/Exhaust | 7 | 09-29-2008 02:32 PM |
FS: 02-05 Turbo XS Utec EMS | jp102895 | TXIC Private Classifieds | 4 | 08-05-2008 10:12 PM |
FS: 02-05 Turbo XS Utec EMS | jp102895 | Engine/Power/Exhaust | 8 | 06-26-2008 07:43 PM |
F:s (wa.) Turbo Xs Utec Ems | VC3 | Engine/Power/Exhaust | 0 | 02-24-2008 12:38 PM |
2002 WRX takeoffs: IC, turbo, injectors, APS EMS, more... | Jon Bogert | Private 'For Sale' Classifieds | 0 | 09-12-2003 12:01 PM |