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Old 12-18-2001, 12:33 AM   #1
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Here are some pics of my dirty car with winter wheels/tires and Whiteline Low Legacy Springs w/ stock struts. As you can see, the springs lowered the car quite a bit, much more than the supposed 3/4 to 1 inch range. I am extremely happy with the car's ride with the new springs, as it is only a bit harsher than stock. As you can see from the pics, the rear is exactly 1 inch lower than the front. I am checking with Whiteline right now to see if this is correct, as the top of the rear tires is above the rear fender opening. Measurements are posted below the pictures. Let me know if you have any questions.

STOCK SPRINGS/STRUTS:


WHITELINE LOW SPRINGS and Stock Struts:








Rear end drop:


Front end drop:


I took some measurements of my car with the Whiteline Springs to determine the difference between stock and the lowered height. I measured from the center of the wheel to the edge of the fender lip.

Front = 339.725mm from center of wheel to fender lip
Front is 53.97mm lower than the stock height on both sides

Rear = 314.325mm from center of wheel to fender lip
Rear is 50.8mm lower than the stock height on both sides.
I will take measurements from the center of the wheel to the fender opening and post them soon.

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(sorry for the dirty car... I live in Washington )
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Old 12-18-2001, 01:22 AM   #2
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Friggin NICE! Do they make 'em 01?
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Old 12-18-2001, 01:22 AM   #3
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Thanks!! I do not believe they make them for the 2000+ Legacies yet, but you may want to do a search to make sure.

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Old 12-18-2001, 02:09 AM   #4
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Though its pretty low, I think its looks alot better then stock. It adds to the overall package of the car. Now you just need a turbo
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Old 12-18-2001, 02:20 AM   #5
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Thanks gtcrispy! You are right, this car definitely needs a TURBO! Maybe someday....
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Old 12-18-2001, 09:18 AM   #6
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Rear definitely looks too low, I think it looks like you've got a trunk full of sand bags. The rear fenders are shaped differently than the front, and make the rear look lower even on the stock suspension. Here's a picture of my car on it's stock suspension:

The way the rear fenders are shaped it kinda creates an optical illusion making the rear of the car look too low.

Try measuring at the front and rear of the rocker panels (maybe from the front and rear jack points?) to the ground and see if the car is level there. If so, it's just the optical illusion of the rear fender shape. If the rear is actually lower, then you definitely need to talk to Whiteline.

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Old 12-18-2001, 11:30 AM   #7
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That's the same drop I got with my eibachs. BTW, does anyone know the spring rates for the Whitelines and the Eibachs? I might switch spring set ups if the Whitelines are stiffer springs.

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Old 12-18-2001, 11:35 AM   #8
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Yeah looks the same as my H&R's

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Old 12-18-2001, 11:36 AM   #9
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I think it looks good. It rides like the BMWs . Those springs are my next purchase.
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Old 12-18-2001, 02:25 PM   #10
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any springs out there that makes it an even drop? ya know, looks evened out from front and rear?
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Old 12-18-2001, 08:20 PM   #11
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Here are details of Whiteline Springs to suit Subaru Legacy 94-98 sedan; These are the springs I have installed. According to Whiteline, these are the only springs available for the 94-98 Legacy.

front Control (low);
part# 74502
spring rate ~ 190 Lbs/in linear
approx. drop ~ 35mm

rear Control (low);
part# 70370
spring rate ~ 160 Lbs/in progressive
approx. drop ~ 35mm


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Old 12-18-2001, 08:36 PM   #12
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question-If the struts are a little wore out, but not broken obvously. would that lower the ride height at all?
I like the way the front looks, but the back it too low.
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I thought you had black rims?....Oh, winter duh
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Old 12-18-2001, 08:38 PM   #13
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From what I have read, struts do not generally sag much with extended use. I too think the back is a bit too low, and I will be working with Whiteline to try to correct this. But, I must say that the ride quality and handling with these springs is superb. No complaints except for the limited tire/ground clearance.

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Old 12-19-2001, 04:11 PM   #14
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here's my dropped baby
i'd be interested in spring rates too as i have the eibach prokit springs.





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Old 12-19-2001, 09:51 PM   #15
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SilverSurfer:

Very nice ride!! Your drop looks to be almost exactly the same as mine with the Whiteline springs.

I took some measurements of my car with the Whiteline Springs and they are below.

Front = 339.725mm from center of wheel to fender lip
Front is 53.97mm lower than the stock height on both sides

Rear = 314.325mm from center of wheel to fender lip
Rear is 50.8mm lower than the stock height on both sides.

Unfortunalty, I am not looking for this much of a drop, especially in the rear, so I am working with Whiteline to solve this problem.

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Old 12-22-2001, 01:30 AM   #16
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jeez jacob! what r u copying me? first the HIDs now this? j/k

Yeah i noticed that. it seems that Legacy's seem to drop more in the rear for some reason, even thought the bulk of the weight is in the front. I dunno if just the way it is with lowering springs or are all the aftermarket companies using the same inaccurate specs to make these springs???

BTW, how's your ride? I changed out my shocks @ the same time as the spring install to the STI verV struts. The ride is almost like stock till you push it, then the car feels REALLY neutral even on tight corners I do admit, the stiffer spring rates seems a little harsh sometime on the NYC roads i travel one i have to aggresively avoid potholes and the stupid contruction plates now.

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Old 12-22-2001, 08:41 AM   #17
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I think the lower rear is to help fight overstreer. I really like the way it looks with those springs. The Whiteline springs are made for better handleing not looks. Most rally cars squat in the rear.
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Old 12-23-2001, 02:03 AM   #18
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-- SilverSurfer:


The ride with the Whitelines is great. They are a bit more harsh in the city, with all of the abrupt road imperfections and construction, but they are only slightly noticeable relatively smooth roads and highway. I may end up getting new struts, but right now the stock struts seem to be working great, without bottoming out. But, as low as the rear is, I am a bit woried about putting passengers and gear in the back seat and trunk. My rear tire would be way up in the fender and very likely to rub around sharp corners or high curbs.

I really don't mind the looks of my car now that I have gotten used to its lowered stance, but I just don't like the fact that I may have taken away from its usability. I am still waiting to hear back from Whiteline about what they think about my situation (and their springs). I will keep y'all posted.

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Old 12-23-2001, 02:54 AM   #19
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Quote:
Originally posted by jacobhorn
Thanks gtcrispy! You are right, this car definitely needs a TURBO! Maybe someday....

Sheesh, with all that money you've spent, maybe you ought to have just bought an Audi 1.8T with a stick... Hey, at least it LOOKS fast!!!!
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Old 12-23-2001, 03:13 AM   #20
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-- Matt (Velocity):

I think an A4 will be my next car. 1.8T with a chip. About 230hp. But, my GT can out handle an A4 anyday of the week.


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Old 12-23-2001, 08:21 PM   #21
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Silver Surfer- you and I are almost twins!!! Too bad I'm too lazy to wash my car out in this freezing weather and post some new pics! But all I got to say is...I have Eibach Pro Kit too with AGX KYB strut...with it, I bottom(in the front) out occasionally on harsh bumpy turns and especially going up a ramp/incline and sonetimes my rear rubs too! SOLUTION- I was going to flare out my fenders, but it cost too much...So I had them cutoff the front fendar lip...no rubbing so far, but still I want to get either a stiffer spring/ spring that doesn't lower that much/or opt. for custom Ground Control spring rate and height (like what MY99 2.5 GT did)...I like the fact of adj. the dampening of the strut so the spring would either be mated with another set of AGX KYB or Koni...still up in the air!


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Old 12-28-2001, 10:14 AM   #22
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Hey ken,

I heard that with the AGX's the car might ride a little lower with whatever springs you use because you must trim the bumpstop. Since I used the STi v5 inverted struts I didn't need to use the bumpstops. So I don't think my car is dropped as much as yours or jacob's.

The Eibach's have a pretty stiff spring rate and I've loaded my car down with 3 ppl, a full trunk and gone speeding down a bumpy highway and I have yet to bottom out or rub. Not that I'm pushing my luck

I would like to find out the specs of the ProKit vs. Whiteline springs. Though my car feels stock at low speeds and handles like cat hanging from a tree at high speeds ( ) , i find the springs to be a little harsh during normal everyday driving. I wonder how progressive springs would feel. I don't know even if anyone makes a set for our cars!

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Old 12-28-2001, 10:50 AM   #23
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Height adjustable suspension is definitely the way to go. I just raised my ride up for winter time snow usability. Plus my beat up stock outback 15" silver wheels with my Arctic Alpins would look funny on my car if it was lowered like I have it in the summer.

By the way most inverted struts come with internal bump stops that you have no choice of using. Do you have FHI Ver 5 Struts or the true STI Ver 5 struts with adjustable dampening? Are they red or hot pink?

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Old 12-28-2001, 10:53 AM   #24
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Nice look to your ride Jacob. The ride height is comparable to my previous H&R/Ver 5 setup.

I will post pics this summer after I lower it again. You won't believe how much more aggressive the car looks with the rear end raised 1/4 of an inch higher then the front. It takes care of the rear sag look that I never liked with the H&Rs.

Honestly I feel that any spring rate under 200 is too soft if you are going with that low of a drop.

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Old 12-28-2001, 07:44 PM   #25
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-- SilverSurfer:

FYI, the Whiteline rear springs ARE progressive, which makes for an amazingly smooth ride. I believe they are the only progressive springs available for our rides.


-- MY99 2.5GT:

Thanks. I too think my car would look a bit more agressive with the rear about 1/2 inches higher.

I am still waiting to see what Whiteline is going to do about my spirngs.


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