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Old 06-01-2011, 11:15 PM   #6826
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^ you never get back the sharpness you've lost. BUT, some of the basic things I do is "clarity" in Lightroom, and "unsharp mask..." in PS, and obviously re-sizing to a smaller size. Don't over-do it either, or it will be noticable.

Here's an example from my recent shoot when Tamron has failed me (no editing, 100% crop):



And here's the finished product (yes, I tried a darker more contrasty theme):

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Old 06-02-2011, 12:24 AM   #6827
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Hey Armin or anybody else, You have told me the last couple times I posted that my pics are soft. Do you think using unsharp mask w/ the fade tool will help at all? I currently don't do any sharpening to my pics. or are there any other methods of sharpening you guys recommend?
I think you have some other issue going on, as it looks to me like you've missed the focus point on some of them. What is your equipment? Also, are you using single focus area?
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:24 AM   #6828
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:10 AM   #6829
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^ ... I'm confused. Are you posting pictures, asking for criticism/tips? Orr are you posting for recognition and to whore them out?
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:47 AM   #6830
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^ ... I'm confused. Are you posting pictures, asking for criticism/tips? Orr are you posting for recognition and to whore them out?
I agree, only 2, 3 tops look like they were planned. Others look like snap shots?
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:57 AM   #6831
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Whoring and wanted some tips. Alot of them were snap shots yes. Most were at local meets.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:27 AM   #6832
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Whoring and wanted some tips. Alot of them were snap shots yes. Most were at local meets.
This thread isn't really made for whoring random shots. It's purpose is really more to help you improve your automotive photography through both the expertise of several professional photographers, and the critique of your peers.

Why don't you try just posting the specific images you made an effort on, that you would like some critique on?
Maybe #6 and #7 from the ones you posted above?


I like the last shot, although I think applying the rule of thirds would do it some good.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:39 AM   #6833
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Hey Armin or anybody else, You have told me the last couple times I posted that my pics are soft. Do you think using unsharp mask w/ the fade tool will help at all? I currently don't do any sharpening to my pics. or are there any other methods of sharpening you guys recommend?
Any time you resize an image (ie. make it smaller so you can post it online) you NEED to re-sharpen it. This can be minimized depending on what sharpening algorithm you use, but that is mostly irrelevant. Basically, you will just want to resize, then sharpen. Nothing more complex than that.

Unsharp mask does a pretty good job. Just don't overdo it. You want to get your original sharpness back, not make it look oversharpened and fake. Here's a more detailed article on the subject. Probably more than you actually need to know:

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...ze-for-web.htm

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^ you never get back the sharpness you've lost. BUT, some of the basic things I do is "clarity" in Lightroom, and "unsharp mask..." in PS, and obviously re-sizing to a smaller size. Don't over-do it either, or it will be noticable.

Here's an example from my recent shoot when Tamron has failed me (no editing, 100% crop):

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9928/dsc00052tb.jpg

And here's the finished product (yes, I tried a darker more contrasty theme):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2360/...df6e185c_o.jpg
This is a very, very good example of another point. Even with very cheap/entry level/old/etc equipment, you should be able to make extremely sharp images at web size. 800-1200 pixels wide is tiny. If you're getting soft images at web size, then buying a razor sharp $2,000 lens probably isn't going to be your fix. It probably means you are missing focus or have motion blur (or some other more major problem with the image). Even a cheap kit lens will produce perfectly sharp images at this resolution. Sure it won't have fast AF or wide apertures, but in the cases when you're stopping down to f/8 and shooting in the same focal length range, a more expensive lens isn't going to give much of a benefit (in web size, large prints are another story).

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I think you have some other issue going on, as it looks to me like you've missed the focus point on some of them. What is your equipment? Also, are you using single focus area?
I agree with this. Some of the shots you (rsw0124) posted are obviously misfocused.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:35 AM   #6834
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UL-my camera is nikon d3000 w/ 2 kit lenses 18-55 and 55-200, cp filter and tripod

Most of the time its in single focal point, but lately I have been trying multiple.

Acingteam and xluben- thanks for the tips!

I have figured out two of problems right away. One I don't resize for web I just upload and let the resizing happen. Two I never do any sharpening after editing and cropping. I'll keep trying, cause I have a good feel for composition and some good locations!

Thanks again guys!

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Old 06-02-2011, 12:20 PM   #6835
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Here is another shot from the sunset the other night.




And the same pic from early....this one was resized, sharpened and uploaded on flickr...



this is the one posted early...edited not resized or sharpened and uploaded on photobucket




Just for a side by side look at the difference, no more photobucket for me.
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:36 PM   #6836
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Yeah, sites like Flickr and SmugMug do their own sharpening after resize. I think Facebook even does now. Flickr sharpening is on the stronger side. I can often pick out Flickr images even before checking where they're hosted.

If you have Flickr now, you can probably get by not resizing or resharpening yourself, but if you want full control, then you can still do it manually and just upload the smaller images and post them at their native, uploaded size.
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:57 PM   #6837
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^^^So do you think the sharpened pic looks any better?
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:41 PM   #6838
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You don't? Looks obviously a ton sharper to me. Maybe oversharpened. What size did you resize it to before you uploaded it? It looks like you resized and sharpened and then maybe Flickr resized and sharpened again. Even with that, I still think it looks much, much better than before.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:42 PM   #6839
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Another one from that same photoshoot.
I dig it...B&W works well for this situation, although I'd want to see a bit more shadow detail personally.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:44 PM   #6840
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Thanks, I know this one is dark.....any thoughts?
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I wish the wing was outlined like the rest of the car, then you could open levels, up whites, up blacks, and make a badass looking pic!
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i agree with KP. i would also up the whites a lot, even in the pic you posted to give a more detailed line around the car.
Very much agreed, but it looks like you posted another below that takes some of that into account, so I'll concentrate on that one!
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Hey Armin or anybody else, You have told me the last couple times I posted that my pics are soft. Do you think using unsharp mask w/ the fade tool will help at all? I currently don't do any sharpening to my pics. or are there any other methods of sharpening you guys recommend?
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UL-my camera is nikon d3000 w/ 2 kit lenses 18-55 and 55-200, cp filter and tripod
I agree with UL here...something is amiss with the actual capture of the photo rather than the sharpening afterward. Using Flickr instead of Photobucket has definitely helped (I always bitch about how Photobucket compresses their photos), but my question to you is, what kind of tripod are you using?
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Here is another shot from the sunset the other night.

This photo is definitely what I wanted to see out of the original you posted above. However, I think it's a tad oversharpened, as is the repost of the other photo. Definitely looks better, but as xluben said, it might be the combination of sharpening and then Flickr's added sharpening that makes it too sharpened.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:09 PM   #6843
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You don't? Looks obviously a ton sharper to me. Maybe oversharpened. What size did you resize it to before you uploaded it? It looks like you resized and sharpened and then maybe Flickr resized and sharpened again. Even with that, I still think it looks much, much better than before.
Oh I do, just making sure I'm going in the right direction. I resized to 1200x800, should I go smaller?

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I agree with UL here...something is amiss with the actual capture of the photo rather than the sharpening afterward. Using Flickr instead of Photobucket has definitely helped (I always bitch about how Photobucket compresses their photos), but my question to you is, what kind of tripod are you using?
Don't tell anybody but its still a cheap one, its next on my list after vacation!

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This photo is definitely what I wanted to see out of the original you posted above. However, I think it's a tad oversharpened, as is the repost of the other photo. Definitely looks better, but as xluben said, it might be the combination of sharpening and then Flickr's added sharpening that makes it too sharpened.
Thanks, this one I did in a couple different layers. 1 for the sky, converted 1 to B&W for the car, overlayed them and erased the B&W sky and highlights on the car.

I will back off the sharpening next time and see what flickr does to it!
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Don't tell anybody but its still a cheap one, its next on my list after vacation!
This may be the culprit...even a very slight breeze can destabilize a cheap tripod. I would also recommend using the camera's timer (set it for 2 sec) instead of holding the camera while on the tripod to take the photo. That way, you'll eliminate any possible camera shake from your hands around the camera.

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Thanks, this one I did in a couple different layers. 1 for the sky, converted 1 to B&W for the car, overlayed them and erased the B&W sky and highlights on the car.

I will back off the sharpening next time and see what flickr does to it!
Excellent, that's a perfect way to process that photo!
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What about using a remote?

Do you think I overdid the sky? I used some dodge and burn on it to help create the look of clouds.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:36 PM   #6846
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What about using a remote?

Do you think I overdid the sky? I used some dodge and burn on it to help create the look of clouds.
Remote works great too. Timer works when you don't want to pull out and hook up the remote

And I think the sky looks great...I wouldn't change how you did it.
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Oh I do, just making sure I'm going in the right direction. I resized to 1200x800, should I go smaller?
I'm not positive how Flickr works, but I would resize and resharpen at whatever resolution you intend on posting the photo at. Then use the "Original" size on Flickr.

BTW, I think that photo looks great!

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This may be the culprit...even a very slight breeze can destabilize a cheap tripod. I would also recommend using the camera's timer (set it for 2 sec) instead of holding the camera while on the tripod to take the photo. That way, you'll eliminate any possible camera shake from your hands around the camera.
Or just use a high shutter speed. For daytime photos that's usually not an issue. I rarely use a tripod.
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Or just use a high shutter speed. For daytime photos that's usually not an issue. I rarely use a tripod.
Honestly, I rarely use my tripod either, but when just trying to narrow down what the focus/softness problems might be, the use or lack of use of a tripod should always be mentioned Hence, that's why I stress the use of a tripod on this thread, especially for people who are just starting out or are relatively new to photography. I've known a few people who simply can't take a steady photo to save their life even with a fast shutter speed and/or with a flash, and using a tripod solves all their shaky hands problems.
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I ALWAYS use my tripod when I shoot with my 70-200 f2.8 telephoto... no matter the time of day. I don't want to take any chances and lose any sharpness. Besides, it doesn't have VR :/
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Yeah with my 55-200(non VR) it has to be on a tripod past about 135.
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