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Old 06-30-2011, 05:35 PM   #7126
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I love how that shot shows off the body lines!
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:55 PM   #7127
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Hey Armin....

i am just sharing to test and inform that i am now smugmugged!! no more photocrappit.

can i get an approval stamp for the upgrade?? hahaha...



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Old 06-30-2011, 06:34 PM   #7128
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can i get an approval stamp for the upgrade??
No, because your pictures still suck!










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Old 06-30-2011, 06:46 PM   #7129
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No photos with my car in it can possibly suck.
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:51 PM   #7130
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:56 PM   #7131
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I'm a photographer myself and I love the work and pointers on this thread. Thanks for posting this info it's truly a great resource.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:15 PM   #7132
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I tried the "Brenizer Method" on a few images. If you're not familiar with it, you basically take a fast telephoto and shoot wide open on MF. Position yourself fairly close and take a bunch of shots to cover the area you want. Then stitch the images together in post processing. The end result is an "equivalent" image to one taken with a wider lens that is a very wide aperture (or conversely a camera with a much larger sensor). Often the resulting aperture is something that isn't physically available (especially if you start with a very fast lens to begin with). In essence, it gives you a nice blurry background with a wider frame of view than would normally be seen.

Here are my attempts. Info is below each image.



Camera: Canon 5D
Lens: Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS
Focal Length: 200mm f/2.8
Stitched Image Size: 57MP
Equivalent Full Frame Lens: 95mm f/1.3
Equivalent 1.6x Crop Lens: 59mm f/0.85



Camera: Canon 5D
Lens: Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS
Focal Length: 200mm f/2.8
Stitched Image Size: 71MP
Equivalent Full Frame Lens: 85mm f/1.2
Equivalent 1.6x Crop Lens: 53mm f/0.8



Camera: Canon 5D
Lens: Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS
Focal Length: 200mm f/2.8
Stitched Image Size: 102MP
Equivalent Full Frame Lens: 70mm f/1.0
Equivalent 1.6x Crop Lens: 44mm f/0.7

The post processing work isn't perfect. When stitching together dozens of images the work goes very slowly. I may have been able to do better if I put more time into it, but I think they came out looking quite good. In the end I was hoping to get a faster "equivalent" aperture (most ended up being around 85mm f/1.2, which is a lens Canon actually does make), but you do see the desired affect is achieved. Ideally I would probably shoot the images with a 85mm f/1.2 or 135mm f/2.0, so that the resulting image would be a ridiculously low effective aperture, but I don't have either of those lenses.

The last one really starts to get the unreal "3D" effect I was going for, but I still think I could have done better. They key is to overlap just enough, but not too much. I really took way too many shots and it made it much harder for Photoshop to stitch them together. Most of the photos seen here were a few dozens shots, but by the end file size, it appears I could have done most with just 6-12 well placed photos. One other cool thing about this, is that it would allow a user with a 1.6x crop body to shoot full frame type images
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:23 PM   #7133
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Nice shots and all, but I don't see that much benefit to all that extra work, I find the bokeh at ƒ2.8 @ 200mm on the 70-200 is plenty, although the ƒ2 200 is even better... drooool
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:48 AM   #7134
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Brenizer Method works nicely if you have some nice composition behind it that normally would not be captured with a telephoto lens and a single exposure. But honestly, just shooting in a parking lot 40+ photos to have PS stitch it up really serves no purpose IMO.
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Old 07-01-2011, 05:24 AM   #7135
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There are some badassss wedding/people shots with that method. A frequent flyer in this thread uses it a lot as well


A re-edit of a previous shot of mine, to celebrate my purchase of lightroom. Was originally a jpeg shot, but whateves.

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Old 07-01-2011, 07:56 AM   #7136
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Brenizer Method works nicely if you have some nice composition behind it that normally would not be captured with a telephoto lens and a single exposure. But honestly, just shooting in a parking lot 40+ photos to have PS stitch it up really serves no purpose IMO.
I totally agree that the shots I took were pretty pointless. More of a proof of concept than anything. I did learn that the post processing takes a long time, so it's not something I'd use unless you have a situation that really calls for it.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:08 PM   #7137
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I totally agree that the shots I took were pretty pointless. More of a proof of concept than anything. I did learn that the post processing takes a long time, so it's not something I'd use unless you have a situation that really calls for it.
Thanks for posting up your experimentation. I'm interested in testing this out in the near future, just need to find the right subject and location. Might do some similar testing this weekend.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:16 PM   #7138
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Brenizer Method works nicely if you have some nice composition behind it that normally would not be captured with a telephoto lens and a single exposure. But honestly, just shooting in a parking lot 40+ photos to have PS stitch it up really serves no purpose IMO.
100% agreed. and with KP as well, for some things like weddings and people, it can be great. but for cars, is it really worth all the extra time? maybe/maybe not.. it really depends.

ive tried it a handful of times, and usually i always find some flaw in the stitching process. so all the extra amounts of work to correct/fix things isnt worth it to me personally, not for cars at least. but i also agree the more 3D look is pretty awesome... with that said, i still have mixed emotions on the method
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:17 PM   #7139
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There are some badassss wedding/people shots with that method. A frequent flyer in this thread uses it a lot as well


A re-edit of a previous shot of mine, to celebrate my purchase of lightroom. Was originally a jpeg shot, but whateves.
whites dont look white KP. needs a little boost. with that being said, and seeing your original that you posted again... i prefer the OG more. kthnx. GTFO with your lightroom.

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Old 07-01-2011, 07:02 PM   #7140
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Thanks Armin. The exposure being low on the first one was more obvious once I had posted the pic. I do have this shot which I took from a lower elevation but then I was left with the sky, power-lines and birds. The latter two could be edited out but I only have Lightroom. I don't know of anything other than the spot remover to get rid of stuff and that left it looking worse.

How is my exposure on this one?
Exposure looks great, as does the sky. Unfortunately, LR doesn't have and easy way to get rid of those power lines, but you still did great given the location and conditions
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:03 PM   #7141
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Just picked up a super wide Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 lens from a friend of mine. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this lens??
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:04 PM   #7142
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^^ I'd say the exposure looks pretty much PERFECT to me!

I haven't posted in here for quite a while it seems like. But, I'm loving my 5DmkII and I wanted to get your thoughts on this guy...
Ahhh, black wheels...I think they need a little more exposure, but the time of day sucks so it'll be hard to give the wheels more exposure while not blowing out the hood of the car. The location is interesting, although you do have trees growing out of the car in the background.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:11 PM   #7143
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Caught up with a few guys from the local club for a chat and a casual photoshoot. Even tried some rolling shots (vs. the panning shots at track days I've had practice with), but I think we were travelling too slow - only 60kph (40mph), if that. Better backdrop would also be better, but beggers can't be choosers.

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Would've preferred to be around in front a bit more, and lower down, but I was shooting out the sunroof at this stage; that and we couldn't control the positioning (as desired) of the camera car, or featured car.

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Was pretty happy with this one, LHS of car in picture was lit by low sun, but being white, kinda blew out, but I think that's the bitch with white. Also tried this a bit lower whilst mucking around - http://tinyurl.com/3gsty9b - and as always, it's the stuffing around one that ends up better (i think) compositionally - apart from the guy standing in the passenger door, I much prefer the apparent 'stance' of the car vs. road, although the tree seems more to be growing out of the car more prominently)
I like the editing style you used on each of these. I agree that I wish the people were on the other side in the first photo, but that's probably not something you could totally control. The rolling shot seems to be focused on the driver rather than the front of the car. If you were taking this from the sunroof, I would've probably had the car on the other side so that you weren't shooting on the shadow side. I like the last pic, but maybe a little less side of the car would've benefited the overall composition. Also, don't forget to roll the windows up.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:12 PM   #7144
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Thought I would share another one...
I like where you're going with this one, but do you have a larger version to post up?
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:14 PM   #7145
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Hey Armin....

i am just sharing to test and inform that i am now smugmugged!! no more photocrappit.

can i get an approval stamp for the upgrade?? hahaha...
Because you asked, and because you were the first to touch the chicken, it's your turn to say grace.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:21 PM   #7146
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I tried the "Brenizer Method" on a few images. If you're not familiar with it, you basically take a fast telephoto and shoot wide open on MF. Position yourself fairly close and take a bunch of shots to cover the area you want. Then stitch the images together in post processing. The end result is an "equivalent" image to one taken with a wider lens that is a very wide aperture (or conversely a camera with a much larger sensor). Often the resulting aperture is something that isn't physically available (especially if you start with a very fast lens to begin with). In essence, it gives you a nice blurry background with a wider frame of view than would normally be seen.

Here are my attempts. Info is below each image.
I tried this at a wedding and the result came out...decent:



CS5's photomerge actually did a great job stitching them, but it definitely was time consuming on the processing end of things. I'd rather not just use small JPEGs to do it, so using full sized RAWs can take some time.

The problem with using it for cars is that cars are just quite a big larger than a bride and a groom, so you really have to take not just more photos, but also a wider area to get the really desired affect. It won't stop me from experimenting, but it definitely won't be a go-to method for me.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:27 PM   #7147
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There are some badassss wedding/people shots with that method. A frequent flyer in this thread uses it a lot as well


A re-edit of a previous shot of mine, to celebrate my purchase of lightroom. Was originally a jpeg shot, but whateves.
DEFINITELY more punch than the original. However...how about a version with less/no added vignetting?
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Just picked up a super wide Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 lens from a friend of mine. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this lens??
As long as you're not putting this lens on a full frame camera, this lens will treat you very well. It'll be great for rolling/rig shots in particular for automotive photography, but I wouldn't necessarily use it for portraits, since the ultra wide will distort things quite a bit.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:31 PM   #7149
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I've done several photo's using the Brenizer method, but most don't end up looking right to my eye. Click the pic for high-res.



The longer the FL, the better the result, and Microsoft's ICE works excellent for stitching them (and it's free).
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:39 PM   #7150
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^ God that's beautiful. So much real estate yet so focused at the same time.
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