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Old 03-29-2012, 12:18 PM   #8426
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How is the edit on this one? I've been playing around with different styles!

I like the way this one came out! I also just put the refinished 18x10 on today! I got tired of the black last year, so they're gold now!
Gold on white looks great The edit looks pretty good, but the one thing that bugs me is the downward slope that the car is on. I think it'd look a lot better if everything was flat on the same plane.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:21 PM   #8427
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One more for you to critique then I'll give you a break man!
The composition is decent (you cut off the edge of the license plate) but what kills it is all of the distractions. I'm all about shooting in front of graffiti, but all the twigs and branches in the way are a problem. Same goes with the big tree behind the car.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #8428
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went back to try the fog shots again. think this came out better.


rsw0124 what lens are you shooting these with, they look great. is this at dusk? your other shoots look awesome too. any tips/details i would appreciate greatly.
Definitely came out better, but your car is still underexposed and the white balance is a major problem with all the different lighting going on. I'm not particularly fond of the overall composition either, with the car and lights moving out of the frame.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:27 PM   #8429
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I've learned the hard way....that you need to be patient and wait for the lighting you want and be ready when nature gives it too you! I usually takes a couple quick pics to get the setting just about right, then wait it out! The rest is done in post processing! The pic above looked nothing like that off the camera.
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mind showing me what it looked like off camera? and my post processing is terrible. i have aperture 3, am completely un-familiar with lightroom or cs.
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Absolutely.......its all about the post processing!

Jive, when I get home from work I'll upload the original.
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Here is the original and the edit.

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wow. and this entire time i thought the pictures that i had were **** little did i know they were simply poorly edited. i really need to learn how to work aperture better.
I wouldn't say it's all about the post processing, but post processing is a very important element of a good photo. I always say, "Garbage in garbage out." As long as you have a good, sharp, well-exposed, well-composed starting photo, your post processing will simply enhance that already good photo into something excellent. However, if you start with a crap photo, no amount of post processing will ever turn that crap photo into an excellent one. It might improve it a great deal, but if you already had a good starting point to begin with, it'll mean less work for you in post processing and you'll ultimately end up with a great result.

It's FAR too easy to just get caught up with post processing, but there is absolutely no substitute with taking a good, high quality photo at the very start. That's what this thread is about...learning and ultimately mastering the basics so that they can set you up for greatness.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:36 PM   #8430
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mind showing me what it looked like off camera? and my post processing is terrible. i have aperture 3, am completely un-familiar with lightroom or cs.
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How is lightroom? I use Corel Paintshop Prox4 (for now), My buddy recommends photoshop Cs5 but it's 200 bucks and that's pricey considering I'm an amatuer!
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Pics are cool, I like the last one a lot. How much is lightroom? Is there a ton of stuff you can do with it as far as efects and filters?
I do 90% of my edits in Lightroom. The latest version is Lightroom 4 and it's only $150, when it used to be $300. If you can get Photoshop CS5 for $200, I'm assuming that's with a student discount...either way, it's well-worth it. Even if you're not planning to go pro with photography, I very much recommend Lightroom because of its easy to use interface, yet powerful options.

Here's a video tutorial I made that goes over Lightroom 3 basics:


Here's another video I made by request that just has me editing one photo and going through my typical editing workflow with both Lightroom 3 and Photoshop CS5. There's no talking from me in this one, just doing work and listening to my Spotify photo-editing playlist:

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Old 03-29-2012, 12:39 PM   #8431
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I enjoy lightroom a lot, easy to use and I have no idea at all what I'm doing.
Each of these is pretty underexposed and the white balance doesn't look quite right either. All of those can easily be fixed within Lightroom
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:42 PM   #8432
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Each of these is pretty underexposed and the white balance doesn't look quite right either. All of those can easily be fixed within Lightroom
They looked better on my home computer

I'll try lightening them up
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:51 PM   #8433
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speaking of home computers. Is there a type of monitor that gives a better idea of what the project is going to look like? LED, LCD? I use a laptop, so I expect my colors to be off (one of the reasons I don't post pictures, I can't tell what the colors are going look like (screen tilt variances))
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:01 PM   #8434
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total newb question, but i don't even know what to look for as far as white balance. as far as exposure i gotchya, but whitebalance

great tutorials, i just can't shell that out so i'll be sticking to aperture 3. even though its far less sophisticated.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:01 PM   #8435
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snapped this one the other day, and it's the first picture of my car i've taken That I actually liked.

I haven't even ventured into the world of post processing yet, but would it help in general?
First off, post processing always helps. It was always done when all we had was film, so there's no reason why you shouldn't do it with digital.

Your first photo has one major issue, which is the grass/weed that's dominating the frame thanks to your on-camera flash. I see that before I see either car, so that's definitely an unnecessary distraction. Also, as I mentioned in my original posts on this thread, turn that on-camera flash off.

Your second photo is decent but it just looks like a snap shot, especially with the tree growing out of the hood. You definitely want to get your car out to a better location.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:14 PM   #8436
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They looked better on my home computer

I'll try lightening them up
This is why you need to trust your histogram above all...if everything is on the darker side of your histogram, then you need to adjust it and be aware of your black and white clipping points.

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speaking of home computers. Is there a type of monitor that gives a better idea of what the project is going to look like? LED, LCD? I use a laptop, so I expect my colors to be off (one of the reasons I don't post pictures, I can't tell what the colors are going look like (screen tilt variances))
I use my Macbook Pro laptop at work, but hook it up to my external LCD monitor when I'm at home. Monitor calibration is very important...OSX has built-in calibration tools that do the job pretty well, but if you start to get really serious and you end up printing photos more than just using them for the web, you'll want to use a proper monitor calibration tool such as a Spyder. Laptops can be difficult to work with, but you definitely don't want to use one with a glossy screen if you can help it. I have a matte anti-glare screen with my Macbook Pro and it hasn't let me down.

As far as external monitors, the ideal one you want is an IPS screen versus the cheaper TFT displays. They don't have as good of a refresh rate (so if you play games on your computer, they're more prone to ghosting) but they're much more accurate when it comes to color. I've actually been meaning to upgrade my own external display for quite some time now since I've been using the same TFT monitor for over 7 years now.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:20 PM   #8437
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total newb question, but i don't even know what to look for as far as white balance. as far as exposure i gotchya, but whitebalance

great tutorials, i just can't shell that out so i'll be sticking to aperture 3. even though its far less sophisticated.
Aperture is more than capable of doing the vast majority of edits that most people need to do. Adjusting white balance in Aperture is pretty much exactly the same as it is in Lightroom or Adobe Camera RAW. Here's a video I just Googled for you

http://www.apple.com/aperture/how-to...o-whitebalance

One the the video doesn't mention (but my Lightroom video does) is that you want to try to get those RGB numbers to be as close to each other as possible to get the most neutral color possible.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:22 PM   #8438
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speaking of home computers. Is there a type of monitor that gives a better idea of what the project is going to look like? LED, LCD? I use a laptop, so I expect my colors to be off (one of the reasons I don't post pictures, I can't tell what the colors are going look like (screen tilt variances))
Yes. Here is an explanation of the different monitor types. http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides...anel-types.php

I'm now using an NEC 2490WUXI2 (IPS panel) after my previous monitor died and it is a big different when editing. I love it. I play pc games on rare occasion and haven't noticed any issues with slow response time. If you edit using an IPS and get something printed from BayPhoto or something similar, the print will match what you see on screen but if you use a TN panel it will not. However, if you edit using an IPS panel, people viewing the photo/jpeg on a TN panel will not see the exact same exposure and colors you desired. There are benefits but also draw backs.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:35 PM   #8439
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Still trying to find locations with little distractions, but how are these, is the background blurry enough to disegard the trees and other distractions?
i am also thinking about a mid range telephoto lens and have found decent reviews on sigma's 50-200mm do you have any other suggestions in the same price range. thanks again.
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On a personal note, I'm quite proud of this one. Almost two years after I took these photos for NWMotiv.com, Jeff Hill's old STI is in the Import Tuner that hits stands next week! Words and all photos except for one by yours truly



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Old 03-29-2012, 02:08 PM   #8441
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Still trying to find locations with little distractions, but how are these, is the background blurry enough to disegard the trees and other distractions?

i am also thinking about a mid range telephoto lens and have found decent reviews on sigma's 50-200mm do you have any other suggestions in the same price range. thanks again.
Yes, the background is definitely blurry enough to disregard most of the background distractions! Your reds are still really weird to me though, particularly on your tail lights....they just seem way oversaturated.

As for a mid range telephoto, I would save up for the Canon 135L É2 if you can. It's expensive, but good god is it worth it. I shot with KP's and it was simply awesome. Otherwise, I'm not too familiar with Canon's zoom lenses in that range, so maybe you can get some suggestions from the Canon shooters here.
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:55 PM   #8442
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Yes, the background is definitely blurry enough to disregard most of the background distractions! Your reds are still really weird to me though, particularly on your tail lights....they just seem way oversaturated.

As for a mid range telephoto, I would save up for the Canon 135L É2 if you can. It's expensive, but good god is it worth it. I shot with KP's and it was simply awesome. Otherwise, I'm not too familiar with Canon's zoom lenses in that range, so maybe you can get some suggestions from the Canon shooters here.
The Canon 70-200 L f/2.8 seems to be a pro favorite on many canon websites. A non IS MK1 version can go for 800-1200 bucks, MK1 w/ IS ~1600 and MK2 w/ IS runs up to ~2400 (IIRC).
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Very cool videos. I'm definitely gonna check out Lightroom, it seems way more user friendly. I am never going to be pro, but I'd like to be good at it as a hobby.



Did a little editing and put an enhance reds filter on it. What do you think?
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:42 PM   #8444
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As for a mid range telephoto, I would save up for the Canon 135L É2 if you can. It's expensive, but good god is it worth it. I shot with KP's and it was simply awesome. Otherwise, I'm not too familiar with Canon's zoom lenses in that range, so maybe you can get some suggestions from the Canon shooters here.
The Canon 135 f/2 is what I usually shoot car photos with. It's great for creating subject isolation, but in all reality, it's not a very versatile lens. If you're just starting out in your lens collection, I would certainly get a 70-200 f/2.8 of some kind. You can use it for just about everything. It is 1 lens that I feel everyone should have.

Also, if you're looking for subject isolation / background blur (ie. shallow depth of field), your best bang for your buck is a full frame sensor (paired with a wide aperture telephoto lens). For example:

Canon 7D (1.6x Crop Sensor), 200mm f/2.8, 160ft from subject: DOF=21.0ft
Canon 5D (Full Frame Sensor), 200mm f/2.8, 100ft from subject: DOF=12.9ft

*The distance from subject is 1.6x closer to account for the difference in framing due to the change in sensor size. Moving 60% closer with the full frame camera will be required to get the subject to fill the same amount of the frame as the crop camera. Note - this will change the perspective. If you're not familiar with this concept ...Google It is something all photographers should be aware of, and understand.

If you wanted to match the DOF of the 5D, 200mm f/2.8 combo you would need to use a 200mm f/1.8 lens on a crop body! This lens isn't even made any more (the closest Canon lens you can find is the 200mm f/2.0, and it costs $6,000). As you can see, once you get a decent telephoto onto your camera (like a 200mm f/2.8), then it is usually far cheaper to step up to a full frame body, than to get a super wide aperture telephoto (85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/2.0, 400mm f/2.8, etc). The 135mm f/2.0 is actually the closest exception to this rule. At around $1,000 it could be considered a "value" for the type of shots it provides.

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The Canon 70-200 L f/2.8 seems to be a pro favorite on many canon websites. A non IS MK1 version can go for 800-1200 bucks, MK1 w/ IS ~1600 and MK2 w/ IS runs up to ~2400 (IIRC).
And they all take great photos. If you are really on a budget and want 200mm f/2.8, you can get the Canon prime version for well under $1,000. If f/2.8 isn't necessary, but you'd like a very useful telephoto, then look into the Canon 70-200 f/4 lenses. They are also great, and a great bargain!

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I found a Canon 70-200 L 2.8 on craigslist when one of the schools closed in Baltimore. I don't "need" the 2.8, heck my skill level, I don't need anything more than a kit lens. But for $400 bucks I bought this and sold my 70-300 4-5.6 IS (IIRC-thats the lens I sold but don't remember the specs). So I have a great lens.... and lack skills to use said lens...


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Took some tips from your videos and messed around with Lightroom 4.

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Sorry, I forgot I have one more, all opinions welcome!

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Honestly, I would really like that shot with some serious polarization!
The reflections on the hood, and nasty windshield "glare" kill it for me.
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Can I get rid of that with a polarizer filter? If so, and recommendations?
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Yes. And buy a quality one, not a $5 best buy filter. I bought a few Polaroid filters after christmas and theyre pretty nice for the price.
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