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Old 11-05-2012, 07:43 PM   #9851
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Ok question guys. I learned how to manually select my focus points. (only took about a year). Anyway, am I better of using a manual focus point over the auto when shooting a car. My AF is very erratic and not consistent as you can see from my other picture I posted. If I pick the center point focus and aim it at the front of the car on a front facing 3/4 angle how much of the car would be in focus or does my aperture affect that as well? I will obviously experiment with this when I have time but I was just curious.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #9852
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As I posted in your other thread, the focus points have zero to do with DOF. It simply allows your camera more points to pick from when it decides it is in focus. For static shots there is really no reason to ever use more than one. Just chose one focus point and set it to Single Shot AF. Then focus and recompose.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:58 PM   #9853
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I need to clone out the leaves on the left but I wanted to try something a little different with this one. Suggestions?

I call this one "Leaving Honda behind"
Nice concept! Composition looks good, although I might've had a little less foreground, moving the cars down in the frame. The color of the rear bumper of the Honda has come weird unevenness...almost like the exhaust is burning the bumper. I would almost say you should take the red luminance down a little bit as well, since it's just a tiny bit too bright.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:04 PM   #9854
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Ok question guys. I learned how to manually select my focus points. (only took about a year). Anyway, am I better of using a manual focus point over the auto when shooting a car. My AF is very erratic and not consistent as you can see from my other picture I posted. If I pick the center point focus and aim it at the front of the car on a front facing 3/4 angle how much of the car would be in focus or does my aperture affect that as well? I will obviously experiment with this when I have time but I was just curious.
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As I posted in your other thread, the focus points have zero to do with DOF. It simply allows your camera more points to pick from when it decides it is in focus. For static shots there is really no reason to ever use more than one. Just chose one focus point and set it to Single Shot AF. Then focus and recompose.
Yep, your aperture will still affect your DOF, even when using a single focus point. Generally you want to put it on the front of the car, because you can easily still get bokeh with a wide aperture on the car itself:



This was shot at with my old 85mm at É2.2 on my old D300 and you can see the DOF is quite thin, already starting to get blurry going backward past the front wheel.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:18 PM   #9855
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At last! Formula DRIFT Irwindale coverage is on the way! Here's Day 1:

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:29 PM   #9856
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What could I have done better with this shot?



I would love to be skilled enough with PS to remove that telephone pole from right above the hood scoop.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:52 AM   #9857
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Need some quick critiques on these... .I finally got new wheels!!


Fall Stroll by AJW imaging, on Flickr

So when your car is angled slightly off the horizon from the start, which point do you level?

Whisping Yellow by AJW imaging, on Flickr

Still trying to figure out side shots, I'm overthinking it.

3's a Crowd by AJW imaging, on Flickr

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Old 11-06-2012, 01:03 AM   #9858
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I would love to be skilled enough with PS to remove that telephone pole from right above the hood scoop.
going to sound harsh but that background just doesn't work in ANY way, even if the poles were out of there.
also the car looks underexposed to me. so try to brighten it up a bit. also try cropping it differently as to focus on the car, because right now anyone who isn't into car would jump all over this photo.

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So when your car is angled slightly off the horizon from the start, which point do you level?

Still trying to figure out side shots, I'm overthinking it.
i hate that shot from behind. the car jsut looks like a monster truck, i think in this case to get a decent rear shot you need to elevate yourself so that the car looks low and you dont get under the car as much? also the dots on the rear window just kill it for me idk why i keep looking at them.

def over thinking that last ones. to me it looks good only think i would change is the color/whitebalance on the windows they look green/blue to me
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:06 AM   #9859
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Those wheels are sex platnumn!!
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:22 AM   #9860
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i hate that shot from behind. the car jsut looks like a monster truck, i think in this case to get a decent rear shot you need to elevate yourself so that the car looks low and you dont get under the car as much? also the dots on the rear window just kill it for me idk why i keep looking at them.

def over thinking that last ones. to me it looks good only think i would change is the color/whitebalance on the windows they look green/blue to me
Damn I'm glad you said it, I was feelling the same way regarding the rear shot, I am just too low.

AND JESUS the colors on my home computer look NOTHING like what I am seeing now on my work monitor. Everything looks washed out and light which is NOT how it looks on my screen. I thought my Macbook pro screen was pretty well calibrated! What the hell....

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Old 11-06-2012, 11:33 AM   #9861
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:12 PM   #9862
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I would love to be skilled enough with PS to remove that telephone pole from right above the hood scoop.
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going to sound harsh but that background just doesn't work in ANY way, even if the poles were out of there.
I have to agree with this guy. There's a lot of information in this picture to look at, and it's primarily because everything is in focus.

If it's at all possible, I'd say find another location. The building's are not particularly pretty, the "Pay Here" in red is distracting, the Calgary Tower (which could be a great secondary feature) is blocked and cut off.

If you're stuck in that area, I'd say step closer to your car so that it fills in more of your frame. Less buildings and more car. Keep the aperture wide. If you're not using an SLR, zoom in and focus on the car. That will also achieve a shallower depth of field.

There are shots where the car/subject is takes up a minority of the frame, and the background is completely in focus, and it works. But the background has to compliment the car also. The lines draw you towards the subject and so forth.

Unfortunately, this background is just too busy
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:24 AM   #9863
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Damn I'm glad you said it, I was feelling the same way regarding the rear shot, I am just too low.

AND JESUS the colors on my home computer look NOTHING like what I am seeing now on my work monitor. Everything looks washed out and light which is NOT how it looks on my screen. I thought my Macbook pro screen was pretty well calibrated! What the hell....



Thanks man those are my dream wheels!
BBS LM?
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:49 AM   #9864
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Yeah they are 20" BBS LM on Michelin Pilot SuperSports
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:40 AM   #9865
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trying to get my pics to stand out more but i think i get too carried away and over edit them.. opinions? criticism? (just a couple)

Before


After


Before


After


Before (spur of the moment cell phone pic)


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Old 11-07-2012, 11:05 AM   #9866
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The first one looks like you got the clarity turned up pretty high. The second one is tough with the mid day sun as your lighting. The last one looks HDRish and has a ton going on all over the place.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #9867
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the edits and crops look decent to me, i think you need to go and brush some color onto the car or lightern up the blue, it doesn't pop enough IMO. especially since the awnings and letterings are blue it just kind of blends.

that car is WRB? for some reason it almost looks blue ridge pearl. let that WRB shine!!!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #9868
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Jellynuts and Jive Turkey,

Thanks for the advice... looking at the picture a few days later, I agree, the background doesn't work. I think I rushed the shoot because I was afraid of my car getting dirty while driving between different locations.

I guess a question I have is, when shooting a black car, how do you expose it properly while not overexposing everything else? Is there something I can do with the metering or is it a post-processing issue?
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I guess a question I have is, when shooting a black car, how do you expose it properly while not overexposing everything else? Is there something I can do with the metering or is it a post-processing issue?
multiple exposures and then merging later. or one exposure and layering in post. OR BOTH.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #9870
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Hmmm. Looks like its time for some photoshop lessons...

Thanks!
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:45 PM   #9871
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Hmmm. Looks like its time for some photoshop lessons...

Thanks!
The multiple exposure method is by far the easiest. I wouldn't recommend layering because there is only so much data in a given picture that you can use.

It's actually quite simple. Put 2 photos together and use a layer mask on the areas where you want the other picture to blend in.

Armin can help you, as can any number of quick tutorials on youtube.

The MASTER of this craft, on this forum, is VisualEchos.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:54 PM   #9872
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trying to get my pics to stand out more but i think i get too carried away and over edit them.. opinions? criticism? (just a couple)
To me it looks like you went a little nuts on the contrast. Too many under-exposed areas and too much going on.

One of the most overlooked details when taking any photo is composition. Take some time to really analyze your shot to make sure everything in the frame is balanced and shapes/colors/etc. compliment eachother.

For example in your first picture I am instantly distracted by the rears of the trucks, as they seem to extend behind the passenger side of the car in a diagonal pattern. And then i see behind the rear of the drivers side and there is the back of a truck head on.

So after being distracted by all that, now I see there is a reflective puddle in the front of the car (which I like). Problem is the puddle is also reflecting the blue text on one of the trucks, so now I am distracted again.

One thing that would have helped this picture is blurring the background and foreground by increasing the depth of field. This would provide some needed separation of your car from these subjects.

Once you can get used to the concept of composition, every photo you take will look instantly better regardless of quality.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:09 PM   #9873
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That is some good advice. A lot of people always feel they need a lot of stuff in the background to make it interesting. I on the other hand like it extremely simple so you don't get distracted. Even though it's not an exciting photo it's to the point.

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going to sound harsh but that background just doesn't work in ANY way, even if the poles were out of there.
also the car looks underexposed to me. so try to brighten it up a bit. also try cropping it differently as to focus on the car, because right now anyone who isn't into car would jump all over this photo.
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Hey Zaider

I have to agree with this guy. There's a lot of information in this picture to look at, and it's primarily because everything is in focus.

If it's at all possible, I'd say find another location. The building's are not particularly pretty, the "Pay Here" in red is distracting, the Calgary Tower (which could be a great secondary feature) is blocked and cut off.

If you're stuck in that area, I'd say step closer to your car so that it fills in more of your frame. Less buildings and more car. Keep the aperture wide. If you're not using an SLR, zoom in and focus on the car. That will also achieve a shallower depth of field.

There are shots where the car/subject is takes up a minority of the frame, and the background is completely in focus, and it works. But the background has to compliment the car also. The lines draw you towards the subject and so forth.

Unfortunately, this background is just too busy
I have to agree with all of this. There's way too many distractions going on with that location, and besides spending a ton of time trying to remove things during post-processing, I simply wouldn't have shot there at all.

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I guess a question I have is, when shooting a black car, how do you expose it properly while not overexposing everything else? Is there something I can do with the metering or is it a post-processing issue?
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multiple exposures and then merging later. or one exposure and layering in post. OR BOTH.
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The multiple exposure method is by far the easiest. I wouldn't recommend layering because there is only so much data in a given picture that you can use.

It's actually quite simple. Put 2 photos together and use a layer mask on the areas where you want the other picture to blend in.
All good advice when it comes to shooting black cars. However, if you use your matrix metering and have a nice background with good lighting, you shouldn't have to rely on multiple exposures. For example, both of these shots were made up of only one single exposure:





As long as you get your exposure right, you should still be able to bring out shadow details no problem during post-processing. Trust your histogram on your camera to make sure you're not clipping your blacks or whites.
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okay so. i've been reading and my delicate brain cannot understand what the full frame vs regular run of hte mill slr thing is. do i spend money on an ew lens or should i upgrade my body, but then do my DX lenses that ihave now become useless? any suggestion would be great but i'm looking to either upgrade my D5000 to something better or i want to find a good 85mm...thanks fellas.
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