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Old 08-22-2008, 12:20 AM   #151
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Hey im wondering if anybody can help me...
So I am trying to do some HDR shots. I went out took a few pictures and when tried to do the "merge to HDR" option in photoshop/bridge it says "cannot preform command <unknown>", I'm up to date with everything and my photos are not in raw. Any help would be appreciated!
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:14 PM   #152
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Yo Armin thanks for the advice man......photography is something I have always wanted to get into and I have been trying a lot lately, by taking pics of my sti.......and I always wondered why none of my pics look like a superstreet of modified shoot...(not that my $300 digital camera is probably capable of that)...But now I am gonna put some of your tips to work ..... I post some when i get them......Nick
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:12 AM   #153
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Thanks Armin! I spent a couple hours on the cars today and figured I'd try and put the things I've learned here into practice. I had a blast, though next time I think I'll start carrying a step-ladder around. These were guesses.

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Old 09-07-2008, 10:15 PM   #154
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Thanks Armin Tryin' to pick this us up, only have my digi right now. Went from this:



To this today



Still tryin' to learn and work things out, but thanks for sharin' the knowledge, you rock
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:46 AM   #155
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Thanks Armin! I spent a couple hours on the cars today and figured I'd try and put the things I've learned here into practice. I had a blast, though next time I think I'll start carrying a step-ladder around. These were guesses.

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These are pretty good The only things I'd suggest is to make sure the windows are rolled up (for consistency with the rest of the windows) and to turn those wheels. Otherwise, good work!

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Old 09-08-2008, 03:35 AM   #156
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best thing is to cheat, and use someone else's artwork as the subject for your own.

that's basically what all automotive photography is. thoughts on this?
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:23 PM   #157
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best thing is to cheat, and use someone else's artwork as the subject for your own.

that's basically what all automotive photography is. thoughts on this?
I can see where you're going with that statement, provided that someone's car is their own piece of artwork. However, what happens when it comes to an old, broken down, hasn't been moved in 35 years truck that happens to be located at a nice, quaint old gas station. Would that truck be considered art? When placed in the entire surrounding and you come up with a badass photo...I don't necessarily think that the truck itself would be considered a work of art. Just my take on it, anyway.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:24 PM   #158
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good fielding, that was a baited statement.

this is art:

http://troypaiva.com/

this is "art" that is basically showcasing other's art:

http://www.dukesphotography.com/

both increadible artisans, but only one is placing the subject over the context.

the qualification of an artist should rely on context. i wouldn't call r.kelly's "hiding in the closet, parts 1-8" art in any kind of critical sense. scott dukes is a phenomenal photographer and digital artist, but not all work done by artists is art. i would call this art:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merkley/2574314441/
but not this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottdukes/2819282434/

there's an obvious attention to context in one. more attention to style and subject in the other.

photographers are artists, but what i'm trying to get to here... my mission statement... my thesis... is simply that

art is not a binary; one's definition of it must be dynamic.

with automotive photography, you have to discount the artistry of the subject from the artistry of the image. only once you have done that can you examine the context of the photograph with validity.
one's definition of art should notice the difference between design and art. you can design a car, or a picture's composition- but art isn't design. it is sensitive to it, but it has to engage the viewer on a level design can't.

i guess what i'm getting to is that automotive photography shouldn't hang in galleries. it does no good there. it should remind people about things that they like. it's like propaganda. it's not metaphor. it's not nuance. it's craft and design. which is fine.

i mean, honestly... my picture of the mural isn't artful. i'd like to hear about how to make automotive photography artful, or how approaching it as decidedly not art can help or harm the photographer's efforts to make a good automotive photograph.

or maybe not, i don't know. i just look at the stuff.

maybe the whole reason i said all of that is because i'm jealous of scott dukes
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:19 PM   #159
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just got done reading this thread for i think the second time and all i can say is i have learned a ton of awesome information that should help me out a lot.

thanks so much for this writeup armin i will be sure to post up some of my photos here soon after i get a little practice!
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Old 09-13-2008, 12:55 PM   #160
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Man, I really wish I had the digi on me last night. It just kinda happened like this. I just pulled up and parked at work, next to my boss' Si, as usual, and as I was leaving, I noticed how perfect a setup this was, and snapped a pic on my celly.

Sorry it's kinda blurry.

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Old 09-14-2008, 11:32 PM   #161
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whats perfect about a bright ass street light that does nothing but ruin the photo?
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:14 PM   #162
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^^^exactly what i was thinking.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:41 PM   #163
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whats your advise for getting clear interior pictures with the gauges at night? i cant seem to get them to pull out clear enough. the headunit and the gps always get very bright and blurred out. im thinking maybe i need to do a long exposure small apeture setting with them. thoughts? oh and this would be best for no flash, i dont have one yet but i am getting one this weekend
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:05 PM   #164
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whats your advise for getting clear interior pictures with the gauges at night? i cant seem to get them to pull out clear enough. the headunit and the gps always get very bright and blurred out. im thinking maybe i need to do a long exposure small apeture setting with them. thoughts? oh and this would be best for no flash, i dont have one yet but i am getting one this weekend
Interior photos inherently are not very easy, especially at night. This is one of those situations where you need to be willing to have a big good and take, unless you're using a tripod outside the car or a camera mount inside the car. Anything handheld, you'll have to either raise the ISO to keep things steady and or help support yourself by using the seats or other pieces of the interior. It's going to be nearly impossible to use a high f-stop handheld unless you pump the ISO past 1600, so you should be willing to make a few sacrifices. Here's a photo I took of my friend Erich's car at Hot Import Nights Seattle this year:



Shutter Speed: 1/40
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO: 800

And here's a photo I took of the same car, this time at night with my right elbow across the passenger side dash to help keep things steady. This photo was actually in Import Tuner a few months ago:



Shutter Speed: 1/2
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO: 200

Hope this helps!

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Old 09-15-2008, 06:41 PM   #165
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yeah its a start. i'll play around with it some
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:00 PM   #166
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:38 PM   #167
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:27 PM   #168
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I like what you're trying to do with these two. The only problem from my point of view is that the Subaru isn't big enough of a subject, especially because you can only see half of it. The big speed limit sign also creates a distraction from the rest of the photo.

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The elevated angle is great, however two main things...first, the lamp post is REALLY distracting from the photo and the fact that it's so bright really overpowers it. The other issue is that the cars aren't even facing the camera, and since the lamp post light is so bright, the cars become more of an afterthought. If you were to take this again, make sure you don't include the lamp post and position the cars such that they're posed to take a photo.

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Old 09-20-2008, 12:28 PM   #170
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Heres a few of my shots from a while back. (Not my car unfortunately)

Have never really had any CC on them yet, but personally, i always look at them and think they're lacking something. That they could be better. Like maybe i over-photoshopped them somewhat.

Any thoughts, Armin? (Or anyone else?)





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Old 09-20-2008, 01:13 PM   #171
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This pic is pretty much as good as it gets, and it's hard for me to really criticize it. I think that the only thing I might change is to use a little bit of a higher angle in order to get more of the road behind the car, which will add even more depth to the already good depth of field. This is one of those instances when shooting from normal standing height can work. Recent example:



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EXCELLENT lighting. Really the only thing I'd nitpick would to maybe put a little more space between your car and the wall to give it a little more depth, and if you've got a bunch of time on your hands, photochop out all the parking lines.

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Can't say much about this one either. If you have a version of it that's not center-cropped, and more with the car at the bottom left third with the headlights lighting up the right side, it's pretty much 30x20 print-worthy

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1. I wish so bad that the spot in that first pic would have been at the bottom of a hill, it would have helped the pic so much (IMO). I think I get low to shorten the DoF as much as possible, but your 140mm É2.8 is beautiful, so maybe it's all in my head.

2. Yeah, the close wall, the parking lines, the slight glow over the top of the car, they bother me too. I do like the light on the front of the car tho', it's from a car that was in the drive-thru next door at Culvers .

3. Every time I crop this pic the car just seems to large in the frame, maybe I'll fake it, 'cause I know that's what it needs.

Thanks for the CC man, I appreciate it very much . Oh, and your site overhaul is slammin', love the music that comes up, and the HUGE pix, very cool.
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I don't think these are overprocessed at all...looks pretty much spot on to me. The location is very nice and dynamic, however the problem with it is that all the structural pillars look like they're growing out of the car, and generally that's not a good thing. The other problem with the location is that while it's very brightly-lit, it also creates a lot of hot spots on the car. It's definitely a lot of work to chop all those out, but if you do, you end up with a very very nice photo. Watch out for those chromatic aberrations too...they come out very easily with fluorescent lighting. Finally, don't forget to turn those wheels to face the camera

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1. I wish so bad that the spot in that first pic would have been at the bottom of a hill, it would have helped the pic so much (IMO). I think I get low to shorten the DoF as much as possible, but your 140mm É2.8 is beautiful, so maybe it's all in my head.
This is the quintessential photo that inspired me to shoot in the style I described to you...even 4 years old, this photo is super badass. Thanks go to my friend Josh of course...



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3. Every time I crop this pic the car just seems to large in the frame, maybe I'll fake it, 'cause I know that's what it needs.
If you don't have a larger crop of this photo, then I'd say keep it. I was thinking you had a bigger crop to make the car look smaller in the frame, but if you have to drop and make the car larger...then I agree, keep it as it is now

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Thanks for the CC man, I appreciate it very much . Oh, and your site overhaul is slammin', love the music that comes up, and the HUGE pix, very cool.
Anytime man, you know I'm good for it! And thanks! I still have more to add to my site but I got kinda burnt out getting it all up as it is now.

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Aww man, the exif data has been removed. It looks like it's shot at 200, but the front is so sharp, 300 ƒ4 or 200 ƒ2.8? Great photo tho', right up my alley, just so sweet.

Oh, I really like your icon as well, the color makes it really pop!

BTW, I looked at a 300 ƒ2.8 the other day, $4000...wow.
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