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Old 05-13-2007, 07:50 PM   #1
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Question Getting a Blackberry. Need Help!

For my new business, I really need a phone that allows me to access email in real time, so I've been looking into getting a BB. I'm having a hard time deciding which model and which carrier to use.

I'm currently with Verizon.

With Verizon, I can get the following:

model 8703 (Full keyboard) for $199 and then a $80/month plan
or
model 7130 (shared keyboard) for $150 and then a $80/month plan

If I switch to Cingular, I can get this:

Red BB pearl for $79 and then a $70/month plan
or
Black BB pearl for $199 and then a $70/month plan
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model 8800 (latest and greatest) for $279 and then a $70/month plan,

BUT, if I switch to Cingular, I pay a $175 early termination fee with Verizon.

Not sure what to do!

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Old 05-13-2007, 07:55 PM   #2
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The new 8820 is pretty nice. I'm not a fan of the Pearl. The screen is too small for such a device.

However, if you mainly just want to read email, the Pearl will work fine, and be less bulky than the others.

The 7100 and 8700 series are huge I think.

Just to clarify...the 8820 is probably what you want, not the 8820g. I've played with the 8820g at work. It just adds the camera and such. I think the 8820 will be noticeably cheaper than it's multimedia-geared counterpart.

Oh...and as a phone, they all kind of suck.
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Old 05-13-2007, 07:57 PM   #3
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If you really want one of the Cingular units so bad, pay the Verizon termination fee, in the long run what does $175 matter as long as youre using the hardware and plan that you want? Plus with new service signup discounts, youre probably offsetting most of that $175 anyway?
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:07 PM   #4
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If you really want one of the Cingular units so bad, pay the Verizon termination fee, in the long run what does $175 matter as long as youre using the hardware and plan that you want? Plus with new service signup discounts, youre probably offsetting most of that $175 anyway?
That's what I'm thinking.

But, I have no idea what hardware is best for me, so I'm not sure what I want exactly.

Or, can I buy a phone from eBay or something and then get it activated?
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:15 PM   #5
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There's ways to get around termination fees...

I have the Pearl and SureType... needs getting use too. Wait 1-2 more months for the Blackberry Curve 8300. (It's pure sex.)
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That's what I'm thinking.

But, I have no idea what hardware is best for me, so I'm not sure what I want exactly.

Or, can I buy a phone from eBay or something and then get it activated?

That is the beauty of Cingular and all the other GSM carriers (not verizon or nextel). They come with a removable sim card so you can switch phones whenever you please. In fact that is the only real reason I use Cingular. Just make sure the area you're in is covered by Cingular. Only the 3rd floor of my house is so it's kind of a pain.

Plus phones cost a fraction on eBay of what they cost in stores.
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:19 PM   #7
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Or, can I buy a phone from eBay or something and then get it activated?
You can, but be careful. If the phone was used, this can be tricky. Worst case, it was used on a BES server and activation will be a real pain in the butt without contacting RIM through your chosen provider. Hopefully if used, it was on a BIS, so the provider can release the PIN for the device.

This all affects the data services.

If it's a new device, it should be able to be utilized right away. However, purchasing one off Ebay is usually not any cheaper than what you pay for one new from a provider, with a contract.

I work for a non-contract provider and our prices even are comparable to the Ebay prices.
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:21 PM   #8
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There's ways to get around termination fees...

I have the Pearl and SureType... needs getting use too. Wait 1-2 more months for the Blackberry Curve 8300. (It's pure sex.)
I actually won't need this until mid-June, really, until the company officially launches. But, I'm not one to care about what the phone really looks like. I just want it to work well and be reasonably priced. I'll keep an eye out for it. Seems like Verizon has a crappy selection of phones and the highest rates, but the best coverage, though.
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:22 PM   #9
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I work for a non-contract provider and our prices even are comparable to the Ebay prices.
Ahhh, noted.

I'm new to all of this fancy-phone crap. I have a crappy cheapo one from Verizon now and it seems to work fine. But, real-time email is key for me in the upcoming months.
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8300 is going to be a lot smaller than the 8800.


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What's up with this?

Free with service over Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000C1D...pf_rd_i=507846
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70 a month??
how do you get 70?
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My friend was a longtime cingular BB user who switched over to the Pearl because he's using it as his primary phone as well as planer and got sick of stuffing a big phone into his pocket (not a problem with the women i assume) when he was going out and not at work, plus he didnt want to be a retard walking around with a belt clip or holster and wanted a BB sized closer to a regular bar phone
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:27 PM   #14
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What's up with this?

Free with service over Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000C1D...pf_rd_i=507846
If youre looking to save a few bucks, Amazon is pretty notorious for offering these great rebates with activation, but ive had more than one person tell me they've had to report whoever was responsible to the BBB because they never received said promised rebates after 1-2 years of activating their plans and constantly getting the runaround when inquiring about their missing money.
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70 a month??
how do you get 70?
Cingular quoted me $40 for monthly access + $30 for data service.
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If youre looking to save a few bucks, Amazon is pretty notorious for offering these great rebates with activation, but ive had more than one person tell me they've had to report whoever was responsible to the BBB because they never received said promised rebates after 1-2 years of activating their plans and constantly getting the runaround when inquiring about their missing money.
Oh, ok. Forget that. This is for business, so I want everything documented and on the up and up.

Thanks for the tip; I thought it was too good to be true there.
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ps...
we have the pearls here for 99(both colors)
and the 8800 for like 200
is your email going to be corporate(ie through a exchange server) then the plan changes. if it is a personal email (pop3 or imap) then the price is about right.
suretype on the pearl is nice and the size is great
GPS option on the 8800 is also nice
I have both options and both work wonderful
come to cingular!
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There's ways to get around termination fees...

I have the Pearl and SureType... needs getting use too. Wait 1-2 more months for the Blackberry Curve 8300. (It's pure sex.)
The Curve is NOT what she wants. It adds a ton of multimedia features, to a slicker design, at the cost of basic phone functionality. So far, it's the most problematic Blackberry I think they've tested on our phone network for voice issues. I'm not sure if RIM is planning on addressing these problems or not, but no one I talk to is excited about the Curve.

Andrea...do you need to send emails? Or just receive? You have to realize how Blackberries work. The BIS(the type of configuration you'll be using) will forward emails to your device, every 3-15 minutes(increases in 3 minute interval) depending on how often you receive emails. The more you receive, the faster it'll continue to check your account. It's not "real time" no matter what anyone tells you. On a BES server(enterprise...where you work for a company who maintains their own Blackberry server to integrate with their own email system), you can get close to real time, but it's still somewhat delayed.

The reason I ask, is because there are plenty of other phones on the market out there that can check a gmail, yahoo or any other POP email account for you. You can set filters for which emails they download(look for keywords in the account) and you can set how often the phone checks for new emails(5-30 minute intervals are common on the ones I've dealt with). Also, sometimes...a Blackberry data plan can be more expensive than an "unlimited" media data plan for a regular cell phone.

This might be something you want to talk about with the provider you choose to use. Compare the costs. Even if a fancy phone is gonna set you back $300 up front...it might have a cheaper monthly rate than the Blackberries. Plus it might be sleeker, easier to use, and a better "phone" than the Blackberries will ever be.

I just notice that a lot of people with Blackberries mostly just need it to read emails...not respond(which you can respond with those phones...they just don't have the full keyboard, so typing's a bit of a nuisance...but if it's just once in a blue moon then who cares?). Just something to think about.
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Cingular quoted me $40 for monthly access + $30 for data service.
cingular's high speed data services for nonblackberry PDA phones like the blackjack is separate from the blackberry plans, but that amt sounds right, im currently paying $40/month for my phone service and anotehr $40/month for unlimited 3G wireless services.
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i respond from my blackberry all the time for my emails.
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I just notice that a lot of people with Blackberries mostly just need it to read emails...not respond(which you can respond with those phones...they just don't have the full keyboard, so typing's a bit of a nuisance...but if it's just once in a blue moon then who cares?). Just something to think about.
Im not a BB user, but isnt it advantageous for email and data exchange if one works at a company where the employees all use BBs as their data devices? like a big company has exclusive use of an email server or something?
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The Curve is NOT what she wants. It adds a ton of multimedia features, to a slicker design, at the cost of basic phone functionality. So far, it's the most problematic Blackberry I think they've tested on our phone network for voice issues. I'm not sure if RIM is planning on addressing these problems or not, but no one I talk to is excited about the Curve.

Andrea...do you need to send emails? Or just receive? You have to realize how Blackberries work. The BIS(the type of configuration you'll be using) will forward emails to your device, every 3-15 minutes(increases in 3 minute interval) depending on how often you receive emails. The more you receive, the faster it'll continue to check your account. It's not "real time" no matter what anyone tells you. On a BES server(enterprise...where you work for a company who maintains their own Blackberry server to integrate with their own email system), you can get close to real time, but it's still somewhat delayed.

The reason I ask, is because there are plenty of other phones on the market out there that can check a gmail, yahoo or any other POP email account for you. You can set filters for which emails they download(look for keywords in the account) and you can set how often the phone checks for new emails(5-30 minute intervals are common on the ones I've dealt with). Also, sometimes...a Blackberry data plan can be more expensive than an "unlimited" media data plan for a regular cell phone.

This might be something you want to talk about with the provider you choose to use. Compare the costs. Even if a fancy phone is gonna set you back $300 up front...it might have a cheaper monthly rate than the Blackberries. Plus it might be sleeker, easier to use, and a better "phone" than the Blackberries will ever be.

I just notice that a lot of people with Blackberries mostly just need it to read emails...not respond(which you can respond with those phones...they just don't have the full keyboard, so typing's a bit of a nuisance...but if it's just once in a blue moon then who cares?). Just something to think about.
close but not completely true

gmail and blackberry are linked and you get emails immediately! This is the same for most large email providers.
my blackberry is the best phone i have ever owned(signal, durablility, voice dial, bluetooth, mp3, and ease of use). Setting a phone to pull email every 5 min will use more battery life then having a service (BIS) pull it and push it to you. in my opinion BIS is way better then any pull option.

ps. BES servers immediate as well.
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Im not a BB user, but isnt it advantageous for email and data exchange if one works at a company where the employees all use BBs as their data devices? like a big company has exclusive use of an email server or something?
That's when using what's called a BES. However, it just means you can access an exchange server...which you can do from many other phones as well, not just Blackberries.

The real benefit of a BES is that your corporate group can control all of the blackberry's functions. What websites you can visit, what software you can put on the device, what other email accounts you can check from it, etc... It's all run by whomever manages the BES. The wireless provider just handles the voice communications and the data coverage...everything else is by the BES group.
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The Curve is NOT what she wants. It adds a ton of multimedia features, to a slicker design, at the cost of basic phone functionality. So far, it's the most problematic Blackberry I think they've tested on our phone network for voice issues. I'm not sure if RIM is planning on addressing these problems or not, but no one I talk to is excited about the Curve.

Andrea...do you need to send emails? Or just receive? You have to realize how Blackberries work. The BIS(the type of configuration you'll be using) will forward emails to your device, every 3-15 minutes(increases in 3 minute interval) depending on how often you receive emails. The more you receive, the faster it'll continue to check your account. It's not "real time" no matter what anyone tells you. On a BES server(enterprise...where you work for a company who maintains their own Blackberry server to integrate with their own email system), you can get close to real time, but it's still somewhat delayed.

The reason I ask, is because there are plenty of other phones on the market out there that can check a gmail, yahoo or any other POP email account for you. You can set filters for which emails they download(look for keywords in the account) and you can set how often the phone checks for new emails(5-30 minute intervals are common on the ones I've dealt with). Also, sometimes...a Blackberry data plan can be more expensive than an "unlimited" media data plan for a regular cell phone.

This might be something you want to talk about with the provider you choose to use. Compare the costs. Even if a fancy phone is gonna set you back $300 up front...it might have a cheaper monthly rate than the Blackberries. Plus it might be sleeker, easier to use, and a better "phone" than the Blackberries will ever be.

I just notice that a lot of people with Blackberries mostly just need it to read emails...not respond(which you can respond with those phones...they just don't have the full keyboard, so typing's a bit of a nuisance...but if it's just once in a blue moon then who cares?). Just something to think about.
The Curve has the same OS as the rest of the Blackberries. It might have a few extra features, but it isn't an 8800.

On the internet, people are very excited about the curve.
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sharky
you seem to have the facts straight for cingular. if you do have any additional problems or questions PM me.
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