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Old 05-18-2007, 10:07 AM   #26
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:01 AM   #27
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Would a 2002 model WRX pass California SMOG check if you have a "cat-lless" up-pipe in 2008?
I have a Turbo-back exhaust...if I put it back ON for smog day (in 2008)...Do I have to switch the "electronic-CEL fix" on the O2 censor (affixed to the down-pipe) back to stock before testing or can I just leave it in there?
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:12 PM   #28
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You'll probably get away with a catless up-pipe, as long as the car is nice & warm.

But, you won't pass smog with ANY aftermarket downpipe, catted or not.

You also won't pass with a CEL.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:33 PM   #29
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Ok really this will be my last thread on here unless I need to address something else. This is what I am suppose to look for and I will break it down on what will and will not make you pass:

First I will start out with the actual Test:
An intake will not make you not pass smog, some intakes actually make the car run cleaner since there is more air going through to mix in with the fuel. IT WILL NOT PASS VISUAL if you do not have a CARB number on it.
any modifications to the exhaust system may or may not make you pass. on turbo cars any aftermarket UP, DP catted you run the risk of not passing some cars run good with catted DP and pass some do not. On non-turbo cars any type of aftermarket headers that DO NOT have the carb on it will not pass, mufflers may or may not make a car pass as well. If all you have is a muffler as an aftermarket you have a 85% chance of passing as long as the catalytic converter is ok and not fouled.
Changes in timing will defininately not make the car pass (i.e. camshafts, lightened pulleys etc.) since the parameters will not passing for visual in the timing.
If your TBE is not catted YOU WILL NOT PASS simply put.

Visual Inspection: Any intake without a carb number will not pass. you might get away with it depending on who does the test but by law you will fail. Headers without carb will fail. NO shiny objects will not make you fail but will prompt the tech to ask questions. any CEL will make the car fail. A faulty gas cap will make you fail. A CEL fix such as 02 sensor will make you fail. Remember people the computer is looking and measuring 02, CO2, and carbon. mess with any of these three and your chances of failing are significantly higher.

Maybe this will help
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Old 05-18-2007, 03:45 PM   #30
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Hey thanx a lot G4ORCE! This does help a bunch. I'm basically putting the entire car back to "stock" form and my only concern was the "electronic CEL-fix" that I had done when the TBE was installed. All the "original" pipes (including up-pipe) are back on in there and the "stock" intake (filter) as well. Guess the only thing left is to remove the "CEL-fix" and I should be all-right!?
RIGHT?!!...
Oh, one more item! Would the "oil catch-cans" be something else that might not pass the 'check" (SMOG)?
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:59 PM   #31
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nope you should be fine
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:03 PM   #32
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For example, my Miata, even though it burns cleaner than stock, and even though it passed Colorado emissions with no problems, it will not pass CA smog while it has the Flyin' Miata intake on it.



I'm dreading putting the stock stuff back on
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:25 PM   #33
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Man just come to me and leave it all on
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:46 PM   #34
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That's what I was waiting to hear!
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Old 05-29-2007, 01:07 AM   #35
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so, since we have AWD systems, we just get smogged but no need to run on the dynamometer?
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:19 PM   #36
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all cars get smogged, regardless, awd cars just get an rpm test as opposed to a dyno run.
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:35 AM   #37
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Great information in this thread. I just moved to the state, so I plan on going back to stock and keeping it there, since I got better gas mileage stock anyways.
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Old 06-01-2007, 02:59 PM   #38
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Great info. Does anyone have a stock TBE I could borrow to pass smog? Will pay $. Located in Newport Beach
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Old 06-01-2007, 03:13 PM   #39
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:05 AM   #40
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My setup:

MY2002 WRX
Stromung Dual Tip Muffler
Stromung Hi-Flow Downpipe (with Cat)
Stromung 3rd Cat Eliminator Pipe
PDE Catless Up-pipe
Pony Express Eliminator fix (to prevent the CEL)
AEM Cold Air Intake (has a CARB sticker)

The Subaru dealership that put this on my car stated it should pass smog, though I might have to replace the 3rd cat eliminator with the stock pipe. The dimensions are the same, so it should be a quick swap.

I don't think I have to get smogged until like 2009, so I'm not concerned right now.

I don't suppose anyone has had this setup smogged?

Is there a penalty for failing the test? Or will I just be told to get the problem corrected (in other words, just put the stock exhaust back on)?
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Old 06-19-2007, 11:38 PM   #41
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wow this info rocks thank you
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:18 AM   #42
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Question regarding change of ownership and smog certification:

Quote taken from
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535

"When you transfer a vehicle that is four or less model years old a smog certification is not required. A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner."

The "Change of Ownership Areas vs. Basic and Enhanced Areas" portion of WagonMonster's original post seems cut and dry, but after reading this I'm confused. After reading this am I led to believe that a smog check is required when there is a change in ownership UNLESS the car is 4 or less model years old? Can someone please explain to me the difference, if any, between the requirements outlined in "Change of Ownership Areas vs. Basic and Enhanced Areas" and the quote taken from the California DMV website? Is the website I'm citing simply not up to date? Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:27 PM   #43
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Unhappy Tustin Smog Checkpoint!

I just drove by smog checkpoint on Irvine Ave in Tustin. The checkpoint was set up on the northbound side of Irvine Ave just before Prospect. There were a couple of cops directing traffic, and a dude with a portable dyno, sniffer, and a bunch of equipment. At the time I drove by going the other direction, they had an old MBZ on the dyno with the hood popped and sniffer up it's butt.
Anyone ever been popped at one of these checkpoints? I know they can't put us on the dyno since we're AWD but they could still pop the hood and ruin my day if they wanted to. Anyone ever been through one of these checkpoints?
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:09 PM   #44
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We do smogs at our shop. The guy from the B.A.R comes randomly and inspects to make sure the machine is in working order and we are not doing anything illegal etc etc..

He told us in so cal if you ever see a white van parked at a freeway entrance red light, its a goverment vehicle with new smog equiptment that can check a cars smog as you stop at the red light to get on the freeway, and it it detects your car if its too stinky and it will take a picture of your licence plate and they will send you a notice in the mail that you need to go get your car tested

Also if a car is AWD and the station doesnt have a 4 wheel dyno they do a "2 speed test" You run it in neutral at 2500 rpm for around 25 and than an idle test for around the same time
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:36 PM   #45
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Saw one of those vans on the Florence Ave. onramp to the 110 north the other day. It had a "cannon" near the ground that pointed at the exhaust area of the passing cars.


Keep at least one cat in guys and stay visual legal unless you want to deal with getting refereed.
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Old 07-31-2007, 12:11 AM   #46
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The white van your talking about has been on the westbound 210 at Town ave past couple of days. I have not seen any CHP nearby though. Remember- they proudly burn coal in China :-)
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:15 PM   #47
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Also remember that in Cali it's the SELLER'S responsibility to have a car pass smog if they are selling it. Meaning, if you sell a car, you have to get it smogged. If it doesn't pass, YOU have to fix it, NOT the buyer. If you buy a car and smogged it yourself, and it didn't pass, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FIX IT. The transfer into your name isn't complete until the car passes smog, which the seller is responsible for.
90% True. It is not the edit:SELLERS responsibility to pay for the actual testing fees, though they are required to pay for any repairs if the car does not pass.

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Old 08-01-2007, 02:09 PM   #48
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recently moved to california. quick question about the visual inspection.

i have seen here that a carb sticker is required for intakes, and headers.

does this apply for just the muffler section aswell
i currently have a prodrive axleback on the car.
as well as a catted helix downpipe. will both of these make me fail visual or can one pass.
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:45 PM   #49
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DP will probably fail visual. Catback/axleback will pass.

However, if you get a nazi, they will make you go to a ref for both parts, on the other hand, a lazy/sloppy tech will just pass you as long as the sniffer is clean.

It just depends on the guy doing the check.


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recently moved to california. quick question about the visual inspection.

i have seen here that a carb sticker is required for intakes, and headers.

does this apply for just the muffler section aswell
i currently have a prodrive axleback on the car.
as well as a catted helix downpipe. will both of these make me fail visual or can one pass.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:25 PM   #50
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What if you're registered & insured in another state, but are just driving through CA or only temporarily residing there? What, if anything, could they do?
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