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Old 02-05-2013, 11:11 AM   #501
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Alright guys! The STAR program is now in affect, as of now nothing is different except for the name. It is "Test Only".
Why does this not surprise me? Typical CA bureaucracy at its finest. Guess I should just throw on the stock DP and save myself the trouble....
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:41 PM   #502
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Why does this not surprise me? Typical CA bureaucracy at its finest. Guess I should just throw on the stock DP and save myself the trouble....
That would be easiest, good ol' California...
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:35 AM   #503
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So do the STAR smog computers (or regular smog check computers) have the ability to check if the ROM has been flashed on Subaru ECMs? If so, is it an automatic fail?
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:49 AM   #504
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Another question for the technicians: Is it possible or legal to do a "pre-flight" test on a car without the results being uploaded to CA's smog computer system? Just to see if it would pass in its current condition? I have a car that I am curious about its ability to pass but the smog check is not due until a year from now. I would not want to have it tested and fail before its due and unnecessarily subject myself to being forced into a STAR inspection or another elevated level of inspection.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:58 AM   #505
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You can do a pre-test or whatever its called. I don't believe those results are sent to the state.

FWIW I need to take the WRX to a STAR station even though its never come close to failing. Profiling at its finest

Oh, and for your ECU question. Many people claim to have passed with a stage2 map. Again, FWIW since this is just hearsay as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:41 PM   #506
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Star or any other smog station does not inspect tampering/adjustment of the ECM, it simply verifies that the Vin# has not been altered.

Yes, a pre-test is always available at any station.

Remember: any vehicle is subject to being Star directed without cause, don't be surprised if you are.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:54 PM   #507
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That's what they say. But we all can figure that if there's a lot of newer cars failing, it will be more likely that they would be directed to a STAR station. Realistically there's no reason for a relatively large number of 6-8 year old Subarus to fail unless there's some funny business going on My family has always had 10-20 year old cars passing clean as a whistle.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:13 PM   #508
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I have to smog at the by the end of the month, im stage 2 with a catted helix turbo-back. just checked my smog papers...no star certified for me!, Im going for a pre test, if that doesnt pass emissions, then the stock dp goes back on for a bit.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:32 PM   #509
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Hmm, report back. I've got a catted helix as well. I guess I should just pretest and see what happens.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:21 AM   #510
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Have any smog questions that require viewing the vehicle and it's components? Come by the Socal WRX F4 meet February 21st @ South Coast Subaru and I'll be more than happy to offer my professional opinion
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Hey everyone - I am new to this forum and I just recently bought a 2007 WRX wagon. I am trying to get it smogged in California however I failed my initial smog test. The car has a STI turbo, downpipe, AEM Cold Air Intake and a MadDad Whisper quiet catback exhaust. I hope you guys can help with anything I can do or if there are any reputable Subaru mechanics that you all may refer me to over here in the San Francisco/Bay Area?

Here is a Screen Shot of my Emissions Results... Looks like I failed HC at idle and CO at 2500 rpm

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Old 02-10-2013, 06:00 PM   #512
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Hey everyone - I am new to this forum and I just recently bought a 2007 WRX wagon. I am trying to get it smogged in California however I failed my initial smog test. The car has a STI turbo, downpipe, AEM Cold Air Intake and a MadDad Whisper quiet catback exhaust. I hope you guys can help with anything I can do or if there are any reputable Subaru mechanics that you all may refer me to over here in the San Francisco/Bay Area?

Here is a Screen Shot of my Emissions Results... Looks like I failed HC at idle and CO at 2500 rpm

Thanks again!!
Your car is running slightly rich. This can be for several reasons; do you have a factory catted dp/up-pipe? This can be simple but we need more info as in
how long was the vehicle on prior to inspection? was the cat pre-heated? Ambient temperature? Was a fan on during inspection? Any info you may have?
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Your car is running slightly rich. This can be for several reasons; do you have a factory catted dp/up-pipe? This can be simple but we need more info as in
how long was the vehicle on prior to inspection? was the cat pre-heated? Ambient temperature? Was a fan on during inspection? Any info you may have?
EPlascencia60 - Thanks for the reply! Regarding your clarification... From what I can recall I believe that the downpipe is not catted. I am unsure about the up-pipe though. (sadly I don't have the stock/factory down or up-pipe from the previous owner) The car was on for about 10-15 minutes from a cold morning start, basically the time for me driving the car to the smog station. He had the car on idle for maybe an additional 10 minutes before placing the probe into the exhaust. Also, the smog tech did not use a fan in front of the car during his inspection procedure. The drive to the station was just local streets with some stop and go but no highway.

Ambient temp: about 65 degrees F

I am unsure on how to pre-heat the cat so I doubt I even did that. haha

Thanks again for any help!

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:34 PM   #514
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EPlascencia60 - Thanks for the reply! Regarding your clarification... From what I can recall I believe that the downpipe is not catted. I am unsure about the up-pipe though. (sadly I don't have the stock/factory down or up-pipe from the previous owner) The car was on for about 10-15 minutes from a cold morning start, basically the time for me driving the car to the smog station. He had the car on idle for maybe an additional 10 minutes before placing the probe into the exhaust. Also, the smog tech did not use a fan in front of the car during his inspection procedure. The drive to the station was just local streets with some stop and go but no highway.

I am unsure on how to pre-heat the cat so I doubt I even did that. haha

Thanks again for any help!
Thanks for the additional info, i sure hope i can assist you. 2007 WRX are catless(?) up-pipe from factory and if the dp is also catless that may be your issue. I suggest that you verify whether you have any catalytic converters. A fan may not have been necessary if the ambient temperature was below 72* however if the vehicle was not properly heated for a 2 speed idle test it can be a failing factor.
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Thanks for the additional info, i sure hope i can assist you. 2007 WRX are catless(?) up-pipe from factory and if the dp is also catless that may be your issue. I suggest that you verify whether you have any catalytic converters. A fan may not have been necessary if the ambient temperature was below 72* however if the vehicle was not properly heated for a 2 speed idle test it can be a failing factor.
Thanks again for all your help!! So I went back to the smog testing station yesterday but this time I warmed up my car with a 15-20 minute highway cruise. I pulled into the station and kept the car on just incase. In 5 minutes of testing I passed!!!
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Thanks again for all your help!! So I went back to the smog testing station yesterday but this time I warmed up my car with a 15-20 minute highway cruise. I pulled into the station and kept the car on just incase. In 5 minutes of testing I passed!!!
Woot woot! Glad all went well for you.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:27 PM   #517
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Woot woot! Glad all went well for you.
If anyone else is interested in my professional opinion feel free to stop on by February 21st to our www.SocalF4.com meet at South Coast Subaru -Costa Mesa
Ok, so here's my car (sorry, NorCal, so I can't make the meet):
'05 Legacy GT
Smog-related mods: bnr16g turbo (because of the POS vf40s we got), DW650 injectors, STI catless up, 1 cat removed from OEM DP, APv1 tune.

Passed smog (visual + sniffer) in late '10 and '12 (i.e. 2-3 months ago). But, now I'm worried. I have a Cobb AP v1 tune - I'll have to check if VIN matches. If VIN matches, is that enough? Or do they check the CVN as well? What happens if VIN doesn't match?

I was hoping to keep the car for 4-5 more years. I have almost 2 years left before the next required test. I guess I could probably buy a used vf40 and used injectors (just leave the Walbro pump - they can't detect that, can they?) and put it back to stock (IIRC, I still have the OEM pipes). I don't want to pay $500+ every 2 years to have someone swap my injectors/turbo/pipes, so it'd probably be a full back-to-stock move, or stage 1 only. If so, how do I get a 100% genuine ROM back onto my car? Can such be found without paying a dealer a ton? The APv1 just holds a "compatible" ROM, not the one downloaded from your car (different VIN, IIRC). Could I use RomRaider to fix that?

I totally found out about this change by chance. What happens if I fail smog totally? I'm assuming I can always sell the car out of state or something? If I trade it in in-state to a dealer, are they responsible for smog, or am I? That is, can they totally void the trade-in if the car fails smog 2 weeks later?

Just trying to get some input as to long-term plans. Of course, the 5EAT may self-destruct next week and it's all moot, but assuming it holds up ok (93K miles now), I'd love some input. Thanks!
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I have to smog at the by the end of the month, im stage 2 with a catted helix turbo-back. just checked my smog papers...no star certified for me!, Im going for a pre test, if that doesnt pass emissions, then the stock dp goes back on for a bit.
To update. Drove around today and it seems like all the STAR shops are being picky about visual. However, the car managed to pass the functional and emissions tests without any issue. I'm running a similar setup to you.

So, probably means that you shouldn't have a problem getting a pass.

Oh, and to the guy worried about the Cobb tune and other ECU related items, it still doesn't matter. I think the reason I got sent to STAR is because I previously didn't know that you had to tell the AP which ECU you have so when I initially flashed it I had it set to report as a 2004 instead of a 2005. Idiot!

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Oh, and to the guy worried about the Cobb tune and other ECU related items, it still doesn't matter. I think the reason I got sent to STAR is because I previously didn't know that you had to tell the AP which ECU you have so when I initially flashed it I had it set to report as a 2004 instead of a 2005. Idiot!

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I think you mean me :-) If not, my bad.

My concern is that I don't know for sure if my VIN matches my tune's VIN. I have a v1 AP, and don't have the streettuner software and Cobb doesn't sell it anymore (nor Protuner v1, I would imagine). If VINs match, I'll probably get a pre-test early (like 6 months or more), and act based on that. I'm more worried about if they don't- I really have to look soon so I know. I don't think there's any way for me to adjust anything from the APv1. Is yours an APv2?

My car passed the sniffer easily and visual 2x now. Only visual clue is a missing EGT cable to the UP- I doubt they're gonna notice that. I didn't go anywhere special- just a local 76 station that was still open on my way home. Went back there 2 years later and passed again.

Anyway, keep the updates coming. Let's help each other get past this.
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I have a V1. Like I said, it passed the computer test previously even though it was identifying itself as a 2004 and not a 2005 and it passed it again today after I corrected that mistake. Nobody will notice the EGT or the missing uppipe cat.

I'm just going to throw the stock DP back on. Won't even bother reverting to a stock tune. Clearly its plenty clean as is.
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For those interested...

I passed a smog test in socal last week. Tuned for stage 2...

All stock besides the tune, perrin tmic, and walbro 255.
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Ok, so here's my car (sorry, NorCal, so I can't make the meet):
'05 Legacy GT
Smog-related mods: bnr16g turbo (because of the POS vf40s we got), DW650 injectors, STI catless up, 1 cat removed from OEM DP, APv1 tune.

Passed smog (visual + sniffer) in late '10 and '12 (i.e. 2-3 months ago). But, now I'm worried. I have a Cobb AP v1 tune - I'll have to check if VIN matches. If VIN matches, is that enough? Or do they check the CVN as well? What happens if VIN doesn't match?

I was hoping to keep the car for 4-5 more years. I have almost 2 years left before the next required test. I guess I could probably buy a used vf40 and used injectors (just leave the Walbro pump - they can't detect that, can they?) and put it back to stock (IIRC, I still have the OEM pipes). I don't want to pay $500+ every 2 years to have someone swap my injectors/turbo/pipes, so it'd probably be a full back-to-stock move, or stage 1 only. If so, how do I get a 100% genuine ROM back onto my car? Can such be found without paying a dealer a ton? The APv1 just holds a "compatible" ROM, not the one downloaded from your car (different VIN, IIRC). Could I use RomRaider to fix that?

I totally found out about this change by chance. What happens if I fail smog totally? I'm assuming I can always sell the car out of state or something? If I trade it in in-state to a dealer, are they responsible for smog, or am I? That is, can they totally void the trade-in if the car fails smog 2 weeks later?

Just trying to get some input as to long-term plans. Of course, the 5EAT may self-destruct next week and it's all moot, but assuming it holds up ok (93K miles now), I'd love some input. Thanks!
Visual is the main issue, however the whole 'VIN verification' won't take into effect untill mid-year (so it's rumored)
Theoretically, you should pass with a factory dp and 15 minutes worth of driving prior to inspection (at mid range rpm)
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Hmm. Guess I'll have to fire up ROM raider and figure out how to read whatever VIN is in the ECU. Is that part of the OBDII spec, that the vin be a value stored in the ECU?

EDIT: Came across this post on the ROM Raider forum. Not sure if its applicable to every Subaru ECU but I would think there should be a fairly painless way to check.

http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...&view=previous

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Visual is the main issue, however the whole 'VIN verification' won't take into effect untill mid-year (so it's rumored)
Theoretically, you should pass with a factory dp and 15 minutes worth of driving prior to inspection (at mid range rpm)
Ok, just checked - my APv1 tune DOES report the correct VIN. No idea about CVN/Calibration ID - presumably that's not correct?

As for visual, I've already passed visual twice with the car AS IS - are they making visual MORE strict? I have stock pipes, stock heat shields, etc..

So, I guess my question is - are they planning to get MORE strict than "existing visual", "OBD ready" and "correct VIN"?

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