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Old 05-18-2007, 10:08 AM   #1
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If Max Mosley gets his way, Formula One will switch to V6 engines in 2011.

The 2.2 litre turbo-charged formula, with power plants limited to just 10,000 rpm and running on biofuel, was set out by the FIA President in a letter to manufacturers, according to the magazine F1 Racing.

The radical proposal, to make F1 technology more cost-efficient, road relevant and environmentally friendly, will also involve single engines being used for a minimum of five Grand Prix, compared with the current two.


Also proposed for the 2011-2014 regulations are four-wheel drive, power-boost buttons and 'severely constrained' aerodynamics, such as the limitation of wind tunnel use, and the document was also sent to Volkswagen and Ford, who may enter F1 in the future.

"We understand that such an approach has broad support from the competing manufacturers," Mosley said.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:11 AM   #2
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id like to get ahold of a 10krpm screamer motor
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:14 AM   #3
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The end??? or the BEGINNING!!! MUUUAAHAHAHAH!!!
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:17 AM   #4
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didn't they have a buick V6 series a while ago that didn't fare so well..

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Old 05-18-2007, 10:19 AM   #5
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F1 is still running? I thought it had disappeared up it's own techno-arse years ago once everyone decided overtaking had to be done in the pits....
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:21 AM   #6
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Lighter engines = lighter cars
More limitations = more competition
Environmentally friendly = why not?

I don't see a problem here.


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Old 05-18-2007, 10:23 AM   #7
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The power boost function sounds sweet!
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:27 AM   #8
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^^sounds like CART's Power to Pass button.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:30 AM   #9
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10K rpm turbo V6 engines will not be the end of F1. F1 will continue to be the most technologically advanced form of racing on the planet. It's about pushing the limits of what is possible constantly. Look at the specs of the engine today, and everyone freaked out when they announced they were abandoning the V10.l
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:40 AM   #10
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I don't understand how power to pass would really work well here...it isn't like CART where you have an essentially spec engine for everyone and the power to pass REALLY makes a difference.

Unless they make it that way.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:46 AM   #11
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F1 is still running? I thought it had disappeared up it's own techno-arse years ago once everyone decided overtaking had to be done in the pits....
It's only the most watched sporting event in the world.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:51 AM   #12
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It's only the most watched sporting event in the world.
Negative...

Top ten most popular sporting events in recent times.

1. 2002 FIFA World Cup Final (1.3 billion viewers)
2. Euro 2004 Soccer Final (153 million viewers)
3. 2004 Olympic Games: opening ceremony (127 million viewers)
4. 2004 Olympic Games: closing ceremony (96 million viewers)
5. 2004 Super Bowl (95 million viewers)
6. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres (87 million viewers)
7. 2003 Champions League (67 million viewers)
8. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming (66 million viewers)
9. 2004 Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix (59 million viewers)
10. 2004 Basketball: NBA finals (25 million viewers)

Here's a source for JUST 2004:

1 Olympic Games: opening ceremony 153 million
2 American football: Super Bowl 95 million
3 Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million
4 Football: Euro 2004 final Portugal v Greece 127
5 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres 87 million
6 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming 66 million
7 Formula one: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million
8 Football: Champions League final Porto v Monaco 56 million
9 Nascar: NASCAR Daytona 500 33.5 million
10 Basketball: NBA finals 25 million
11 Tennis: Wimbledon women's singles final 21 million
12 Tennis: Wimbledon men's singles final 21 million
13 Cycling: Tour de France final stage 16 million
14 Football: FA Cup final Millwall v Man Utd 9 million
15 Horseracing: Grand National 9 million
16 Rowing: University Boat Race 5 million

While it's on the list, not #1

Most watched overall, all the time, is Soccer (football everywhere else)
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:52 AM   #13
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Damn! F1 gets beat by swimming?
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:55 AM   #14
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Also proposed for the 2011-2014 regulations are four-wheel drive, power-boost buttons and 'severely constrained' aerodynamics, such as the limitation of wind tunnel use, and the document was also sent to Volkswagen and Ford, who may enter F1 in the future.
This is the one that bothers me. If they want to limit engine power, fine. All sorts of racing leagues have done that. But why put the drivers at greater risk by forcing the cars to be aerodynamically unstable. The motor guys will always find a way to make power, no matter how limited the rules are. At least let the chassis designers make a safe platform to carry the motor.
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:06 AM   #15
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Not really surprising that F1 viewer ship is not up there...I love it but it really was boring to watch for a very long time during the Schumacher era. Most races turned into a lap fest with Barrichelo (sp.?) and Schumi lapping everyone.
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:10 AM   #16
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Lighter engines = lighter cars
More limitations = more competition
Environmentally friendly = why not?

I don't see a problem here.


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Old 05-18-2007, 11:13 AM   #17
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Negative...

Top ten most popular sporting events in recent times.

1. 2002 FIFA World Cup Final (1.3 billion viewers)
2. Euro 2004 Soccer Final (153 million viewers)
3. 2004 Olympic Games: opening ceremony (127 million viewers)
4. 2004 Olympic Games: closing ceremony (96 million viewers)
5. 2004 Super Bowl (95 million viewers)
6. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres (87 million viewers)
7. 2003 Champions League (67 million viewers)
8. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming (66 million viewers)
9. 2004 Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix (59 million viewers)
10. 2004 Basketball: NBA finals (25 million viewers)

Here's a source for JUST 2004:

1 Olympic Games: opening ceremony 153 million
2 American football: Super Bowl 95 million
3 Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million
4 Football: Euro 2004 final Portugal v Greece 127
5 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres 87 million
6 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming 66 million
7 Formula one: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million
8 Football: Champions League final Porto v Monaco 56 million
9 Nascar: NASCAR Daytona 500 33.5 million
10 Basketball: NBA finals 25 million
11 Tennis: Wimbledon women's singles final 21 million
12 Tennis: Wimbledon men's singles final 21 million
13 Cycling: Tour de France final stage 16 million
14 Football: FA Cup final Millwall v Man Utd 9 million
15 Horseracing: Grand National 9 million
16 Rowing: University Boat Race 5 million

While it's on the list, not #1

Most watched overall, all the time, is Soccer (football everywhere else)




Comparing apples to zebras here.

F1 is a year thing, while the olimpics, World CUP etc is every 4 years.
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:15 AM   #18
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Do the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies really count as "sport"
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:22 AM   #19
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Diesel? Biodiesel? WTF? Not to fear Audi is running TDI R10 power plants already.
Cut that bish in half and there ya go!

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Old 05-18-2007, 11:22 AM   #20
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Comparing apples to zebras here.

F1 is a year thing, while the olimpics, World CUP etc is every 4 years.
Maybe, but the most watched sport overall, is still not F1
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:23 AM   #21
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I love how these regs are being touted as "cost saving".

Nothing on that list will reduce costs. If anything it will cost the teams more to comply with them.

Can you imagine how many engine parts are going to be rejected to ensure that the finished motor will last 5 GP weekends?
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Negative...

Top ten most popular sporting events in recent times.

1. 2002 FIFA World Cup Final (1.3 billion viewers)
2. Euro 2004 Soccer Final (153 million viewers)
3. 2004 Olympic Games: opening ceremony (127 million viewers)
4. 2004 Olympic Games: closing ceremony (96 million viewers)
5. 2004 Super Bowl (95 million viewers)
6. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres (87 million viewers)
7. 2003 Champions League (67 million viewers)
8. 2004 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming (66 million viewers)
9. 2004 Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix (59 million viewers)
10. 2004 Basketball: NBA finals (25 million viewers)

Here's a source for JUST 2004:

1 Olympic Games: opening ceremony 153 million
2 American football: Super Bowl 95 million
3 Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million
4 Football: Euro 2004 final Portugal v Greece 127
5 Olympic Games: men's 100m metres 87 million
6 Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming 66 million
7 Formula one: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million
8 Football: Champions League final Porto v Monaco 56 million
9 Nascar: NASCAR Daytona 500 33.5 million
10 Basketball: NBA finals 25 million
11 Tennis: Wimbledon women's singles final 21 million
12 Tennis: Wimbledon men's singles final 21 million
13 Cycling: Tour de France final stage 16 million
14 Football: FA Cup final Millwall v Man Utd 9 million
15 Horseracing: Grand National 9 million
16 Rowing: University Boat Race 5 million

While it's on the list, not #1

Most watched overall, all the time, is Soccer (football everywhere else)

In F1 Racing magazine last month - they listed Michael Schumacher's last race as the most watched event for the year. I'm just going off what I read.
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I love how these regs are being touted as "cost saving".

Nothing on that list will reduce costs. If anything it will cost the teams more to comply with them.

Can you imagine how many engine parts are going to be rejected to ensure that the finished motor will last 5 GP weekends?
1 engine/ 5 races is cheaper than 1/2
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:27 AM   #24
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In F1 Racing magazine last month - they listed Michael Schumacher's last race as the most watched event for the year. I'm just going off what I read.
By saying "It's the most watched sporting event in the world" you actually meant "Once, it's was most watched for a single day"??
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:29 AM   #25
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I love how these regs are being touted as "cost saving".

Nothing on that list will reduce costs. If anything it will cost the teams more to comply with them.

Can you imagine how many engine parts are going to be rejected to ensure that the finished motor will last 5 GP weekends?
I would be willing to bet that if the current V-8 was turned down to 10k, it could last 5 weekends. Heck, my bone stock 2.0 has lasted multiple track weekends and other organized beatings and has 105k on the clock.
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