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Old 12-19-2001, 07:50 PM   #1
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Question Got Gripes and Complaints?

Take them elsewhere!

I'm getting tired of reading PMs and e-mail from members complaining about my moderators.

Our moderators are here to carry out the work we would do ourselves, but just don't have the time to take care of.

They are acting on direct orders given to them by Alex and myself.

So unless you have a incredibly valid reason for sending me a complaint about a moderator (ie. personal conflict, or some other issue that isn't in the board rules) then you can send it. Otherwise I'm not overruling, or repremanding any mods that are making the same decision I would have if I were in their shoes!

Now, if anyone has suggestions... or comments that would help the entire i-Club community, then feel free to send them my way. But I've had just about enough of the complaints and gripes.

Once again, if you have an issue with a mod closing or deleting a post, and it is in direct violation of the i-Club rules, then I don't want to hear about it.

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Old 12-20-2001, 02:33 AM   #2
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In all seriousness. Come on people. Who CARES if your thread gets closed? Really?

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Old 12-20-2001, 03:30 AM   #3
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Old 12-20-2001, 05:01 AM   #4
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I think the moderators are doing a fine job. I'm assuming that most of those who are complaining are doing so because they're probably from some other forum that doesn't have moderators that actually do their job. If I'm wrong, then I have no idea why they'd be complaining.
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Old 12-20-2001, 12:54 PM   #5
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Old 12-20-2001, 01:57 PM   #6
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Nick, I have a complaint about this post of yours...j/k Very well said. I think, some people complaining just need to relax a bit. We're all Subaru enthusiasts here..why cant we just all get along?
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Old 12-21-2001, 12:32 AM   #7
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I agree with Nick 99.9%. My one problem is when certain mods are incredibly rude and snotty, when all they have to say is "this thread is locked because of 'x' and 'y'."
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Old 12-21-2001, 02:17 PM   #8
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i agree with hotsam. Some moderaters, no names just need to be a little carfule when saying somthing but in general I have no real issues.

for example

I jsut finished a few pm between subie gal and myself. I was asking about a deleated thread that I had started. I thought it should if anything should have been moved but her opinion was to del it. And she has stated before in another thread that any threads about streatracing well be deleated. My thread was realy bashing streat racing but hey it was written before so I agree with her.

I think the moderators do a decent job in here and I realy have had no real problems.
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Old 12-21-2001, 11:45 PM   #9
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Thanks, Nick. I think that post answers a lot.
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Old 12-22-2001, 03:08 PM   #10
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horatio102:
Thanks edited the message... guess I should have cooled off a little and spell checked that one.

Anyway... I do agree that some mods do answer perhaps in not the most professional of tone... but look at what the content of threads they are dealing with. Some of these threads the originator certainly should have known better.

Whenever a thread gets closed it's nothing personal against the originator. If you seriously think it is you need to take a close look at your level of self esteem. Nobody has any personal vendattas on the board. And nobody plays favorites. If that is happening I'd like to know... but I know neither alex nor myself, nor the majority of the moderators I know, would do this.

P.S. I on vacation in Massachusetts, so if anyone writes me don't be surprised if it takes me days to get back to you.

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Old 12-22-2001, 06:08 PM   #11
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Is there any way to compile a list of all the people who whine about stupid things, then set their title to something like "spoiled brat"?
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Old 12-22-2001, 08:54 PM   #12
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Quote:
I agree with Nick 99.9%. My one problem is when certain mods are incredibly rude and snotty, when all they have to say is "this thread is locked because of 'x' and 'y'."
I agree. I have no problem with the moderators enforceing the rules. I do have a problem when they do it with an aditude.
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Old 12-22-2001, 11:04 PM   #13
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I agree. I have no problem with the moderators enforceing the rules. I do have a problem when they do it with an aditude.
What, you mean like kastle and DannyAtWork?


Moderators or not, if somebody's an ass they need to be called out on it. Being a moderator should not exempt you from being polite to people.

Nick, I agree with your sentiment, but you and Alex need to take a hard look at some of the people who you've appointed as moderators. Some of the attitudes being displayed need a MAJOR adjustment.

Most people left THIS kind of bitchy behavior in grade school where it belongs:

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=126866

I'm not trying to stir up trouble or anything, but I think these guys need an attitude adjustment.


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Old 12-23-2001, 02:05 AM   #14
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Pond?

pond - small lake, large puddle.
pawn - that piece that gets sent out to certain death in Chess, a person who doesn't have much say in what they're doing.

Anyway. I read some of those SWIC threads and I understand now where you're coming from.
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Old 12-23-2001, 01:30 PM   #15
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My main complaint is that the signal to noise ratio has gone through the roof.

The tech forums aren't nearly as usefull as they used to be. Oh well, I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later.

It always does.
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Old 12-23-2001, 01:44 PM   #16
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My biggest complaint is the Scobbie Newbie - Scobbie Specalist under the users name. All you really have to do is be a post whore and post 500 times and become a Specalist. Now I know better but some of the newer guys take these guys advice without a doubt. I have a buddy that just joined and was giving me "well XXXXXX said to do this and it says that he is a specalist".
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Old 12-23-2001, 03:31 PM   #17
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Maybe the titles should be explained somewhere in clear, concise English... they mean nothing other than how many times a person has posted.

And for whatever reason, Scoobie is usually spelled with two o's to make the ue sound (as in clue), instead of a single o and two b's (o sound in hot).
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Old 12-23-2001, 10:00 PM   #18
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Well as you know we can't watch the moderators all the time... if they (any of them) are modering with an atitude I need this to be pointed out to me. But like I said in the original post... make sure the content of the original thread isn't what brought about the atitude.

Example... if the thread is complaining about a moderator... I would expect them to have an attitude about it. If the atitude comes out of left field for no apparent reason... by all means shoot me over a PM and let me know. But I don't want to see posts on the site instead of a PM to me about it. That will not be tolerated and no matter of much attitude a moderators reply might have on it will justify such a childish act. So please respect the moderators, Alex and myself... send us a PM about it... don't air dirty laundry to suit your own agenda.

User Titles... I'll take them out of they bother people that much. Honestly. I think they are totally useless unless someone is a vendor, moderator or administrator. That's the reason I took post counts off the page. It was useless noise on the board that means almost nothing.

When I get back from vacation I'm going to have a vote whether to get rid of user titles or not. But feel free to voice your opinion about it here. Oh and don't ask if we can have titles by date of registration. I wish we could... already contacted the developers of the forum software. They haven't created it and I don't have the will to hack the board to do it... so sorry it's just not an option. It's either titles, or no titles.

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Old 12-23-2001, 10:05 PM   #19
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I'd just like to know why the hell I'm getting slammed around still? I'd really like to know what the heck is wrong with the following posts?

Quote:
lay off the cross posting and thanks for the heads up
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sent you a PM.... and atleast I haven't locked it....
I didn't cuss. I didn't take an attitude with Porter or anyone else. I reminded him that rule #8 is no cross posting and made sure to NOT lock the thread.

So, I ask any of you to read that post, http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=126866 and tell me why I am getting slammed by people like Porter, pleiades, NYguyinNC and now brucelee....

What gives?
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Old 12-24-2001, 02:51 AM   #20
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Kastle, I apologize if I took your post in the wrong way.

When I read it, "at least I haven't locked it" seemed to say "you should shut up and be glad I haven't locked your pointless thread yet."

It was probably the fact that your post was followed immediately by the IMMENSELY SNIDE comments of your fellow moderator DannyAtWork that made me misread your intentions.

If I was completely in error, and you in fact DID read and understand my post for the cordial invitation that it was, I submit a humble and complete apology.


I still don't appreciate your fellow AZ moderator laughing in my face because I included your region in my invitation. His completely rude and sarcastic comments about how he felt that none of us would help him out if he got in a car wreck give status to his post as one of the most arrogant and denigrating statements I've ever read on this forum. I'm not sure what his motivations were, but they certainly weren't friendly or positive.


Nick, I understand that you'd rather have "dirty laundry" kept out of sight, but this type of behavior has become an all too common occurrence. The fact that many of the original i-Clubbers have left in the past few months for other forums like rs25.com should be a pretty major signal. Those I've talked to personally have stated that their reasons for leaving aren't because of so many new members, it's because of the NEGATIVE ATTITUDE that is so pervasive now. Where does that attitude come from? The people doling out judgment on their peers.

The KEY to being a moderator is acting in a benevolent and friendly manner at all times. Imagine an elementary school where the teachers spout abusively at their students every time a kid opens his mouth without thinking. It's an unhappy, negative environment. The parallel is true in so many ways.


Several SouthWest region members have PM'd or emailed me to let me know that they were interested in possibly attending the meet despite the distance involved, and they apologized for the SW moderators' behavior. One particular individual stated that he doesn't hang out much on his own region forum because he feels it's not very friendly. He seemed excited at the prospect of coming to a meet of Subie enthusiasts who are inclusive and simply looking to have a fun time together.


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Old 12-24-2001, 03:06 AM   #21
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I also took kastle's post the wrong way. I though Kastle was saying "and atleast I haven't locked it" like he was doing us all a huge favor for not locking it and coming down on Porter. Kastle, I also apologize if you felt that I was slamming you around.
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Old 12-24-2001, 09:35 AM   #22
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I still don't appreciate your fellow AZ moderator laughing in my face because I included your region in my invitation. His completely rude and sarcastic comments about how he felt that none of us would help him out if he got in a car wreck give status to his post as one of the most arrogant and denigrating statements I've ever read on this forum. I'm not sure what his motivations were, but they certainly weren't friendly or positive.
FYI the only two SWIC moderators are myself and kastle. I believe the other person you are speaking of is a moderator of other forums, not the SWIC.

Unless you are talking about me...

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Old 12-24-2001, 02:38 PM   #23
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No Aaron, I am not referring to you. Your post was polite and concise, just as most posts you've ever written have been. I certainly have no problem with you on any level.

I wasn't aware that Danny wasn't an SWIC moderator. The word "MODERATOR" under his name and a location in AZ seemed to be significant enough. His commentary was certainly in a moderator role, since he addressed the manner of the posting and not the subject at hand.

Or are you saying that moderators shouldn't be accountable for their behavior when they're outside of the forum that they moderate?
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Old 12-24-2001, 02:56 PM   #24
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Porter,

I was just making sure I wasn't involved in this more than I thought I was, that was all I was concerned about.

Thanks for the kind words.

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Old 12-24-2001, 05:22 PM   #25
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I don't think there is quite the problem that you all (users) perceive. I think that some of the moderators respond how they normally would, which combined with today's lack of positive outlooks on life cause a negative outlook and response to the original response. Just kinda dig the hole deeper and deeper, ya know?

I think that Kastle intentions with the post were good and he didn't mean it to sound the way that you perceived. Possibly cleaning up the way it was posted (capitolization, punctuation) and maybe a smiley to tell you exactly the attitude he meant when posting it, would have caused it to go over much better.

In all honesty, there are some people on the boards that have complete disregards for the rules, people that somehow don't understand that they are posting to the completely wrong forums, and others that don't know how to perceive some of the rules. In all reality, Porter, your invitations in each of the regional forums would have not been perceived as crossposting had you just added a little line in there about taking the drive down XXXX miles though everyone is still invited. You make it more personal and less form-mail like and it is perceived with much more of a friendly attitude then it had been. Granted, I'm not condoning crossposting in any way, but there are just things that people have to think about sometimes before they get themselves in trouble... the way soceity is today, people have seemed to forget that a lot though.

In closing to this unbelievably long post that I didn't intend to get this out of hand, please everyone... when you're riled by a certain post, take the time and see if you can figure out what the person meant in some sort of positive light before lashing back at them. It'll make the attitude of the board much more friendly overall, and in result the signal/noise ratio will come back towards the way that we like it.
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