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Old 05-26-2007, 04:05 PM   #26
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Thanks for all the comments, I've decided that I'm not going to pursue a career in motorsports, I feel at this point it is too late, I'm 25 and about to finish my Chemistry degree... going to apply for Med school instead. I'm just not mentally in the game I guess but I just thought I'd throw out the idea maybe I'll pick up motorsports again when I retire... hey Tanner Foust has a degree in biology and is pretty good at what he does in motorsports, I guess I'm just average so I've decided to stop. I wish I picked up motorsports when I was younger...
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Old 05-26-2007, 04:10 PM   #27
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I want to drive 24 Rolex, etc. I've been doing Skip Barber races but I want to move to a team any other suggestions in marketing myself?? I have the financial backing... both parents are surgeons...
lol... how about you win some races...

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Old 05-26-2007, 05:29 PM   #28
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Thanks for all the comments, I've decided that I'm not going to pursue a career in motorsports, I feel at this point it is too late, I'm 25 and about to finish my Chemistry degree... going to apply for Med school instead. I'm just not mentally in the game I guess but I just thought I'd throw out the idea maybe I'll pick up motorsports again when I retire... hey Tanner Foust has a degree in biology and is pretty good at what he does in motorsports, I guess I'm just average so I've decided to stop. I wish I picked up motorsports when I was younger...
You don't have to be a "professional" full-time racer to enjoy the sport. There are a lot of people who race as a hobby. Get yourself a 911, or a Miata, or a WRX. Put a proper role cage in it and find a track or rally series to have fun at. In fact many people at the top echelons of North American rallying and road racing have day jobs. Life isn't about winning; it's about overcoming challenges and enjoying yourself.
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Old 05-26-2007, 06:21 PM   #29
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^^ Exactly! My parent's never supported my racing dreams, so I ended up pursuing my next dream...a naval aviator. Anyways, I've autoxed and done road course racing at the local level and have done well, but I really have no funds to build a competitive car. This however does not keep me from enjoying my racing and driving immensely! I paid for a gokart racing class at 16 and have been autocrossing ever since. I plan to stay active in autox, rallyx, and road course racing while I'm in the Navy, then, once I get out I'd like to get into some serious club racing or rallying Just food for thought!
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Old 05-27-2007, 12:38 AM   #30
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Thanks for all the comments, I've decided that I'm not going to pursue a career in motorsports, I feel at this point it is too late, I'm 25 and about to finish my Chemistry degree... going to apply for Med school instead. I'm just not mentally in the game I guess but I just thought I'd throw out the idea maybe I'll pick up motorsports again when I retire... hey Tanner Foust has a degree in biology and is pretty good at what he does in motorsports, I guess I'm just average so I've decided to stop. I wish I picked up motorsports when I was younger...
good luck convincing the med school admissions committees that you have any level of dedication to (any of your) chosen craft(s).

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Old 05-27-2007, 03:54 AM   #31
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FWIW, many/most "pro" drivers have to pay for their drives, very few are "paid".
Michael Schumacher got his first GP ride with Jordan because he could pay for it.
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I feel at this point it is too late, I'm 25
Paul Newman (Newman/Haas, Academy Award winner, Newman's Own, etc.) didn't get into it until he was 44.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:32 AM   #32
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[grabs box o' popcorn]

How old are you? That's a big factor in racing. Do you race now?
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:51 PM   #33
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I recommend reading "Flat Out Flat Broke" by english driver Perry McCarthy. Very entertaining, funny and a great insider look into the business for us wanna be's.

If after reading this book you still want to be a professional race car driver you at least will have a good idea of what you will be facing.

Medical school is a great idea. If it works out you can fund your own team and be the slow driver on the team of European drivers you hire in a GT3 Cup car at Sebring. Many others have done that.

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Old 05-27-2007, 07:03 PM   #34
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ill hire you as an organic chemistry tutor
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:49 PM   #35
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Thanks for all the comments, I've decided that I'm not going to pursue a career in motorsports, I feel at this point it is too late, I'm 25 and about to finish my Chemistry degree... going to apply for Med school instead. I'm just not mentally in the game I guess but I just thought I'd throw out the idea maybe I'll pick up motorsports again when I retire... hey Tanner Foust has a degree in biology and is pretty good at what he does in motorsports, I guess I'm just average so I've decided to stop. I wish I picked up motorsports when I was younger...



Tanner was into carting and racing at a young age. He also has tons of natural talent and was able to be fast at just about anything. He has been a Star Mazda driving coach for a long time (I met him at a road course 6 years ago when he was doing a coaching session for instance). He put a lot of time and effort and made the right friends. That plus his talent has given him a very successful career (maybe too successful? He has to miss the next two RA rounds for Drifting commitments).
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:37 AM   #36
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OP, why are you asking Nasioc?! Go talk to some actual racers.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:25 PM   #37
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I didn't start racing until I was 24... My first race was at Second Creek Raceway in a Spec Ford Racer. Those were fun cars! But, like many car enthusiasts, my dream of racing cars started the first time i watch my dad shift gears agressively on the way out of a fast corner.

I had the same choice, Med school or the seemingly impossible task of driving for money (i didn't really have money to spend). Because of my lack of funds the first job I took in the industry was a sales position a the Pikes Peak International Raceway to learn the Business (read: $$ contacts) of motorsport.

It seems the vital basics for making a living in the motorsports industry are understanding your value to a sponsoring company, chasing the life-long study of car control/racecraft, and realizing that the more you learn in both disciplines (business/driving) the steeper the learning curve will get.

I am certainly not an expert on these matters, but your scenario seemed similar to mine so there are my 2 cents.
good luck!

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Old 06-25-2007, 03:42 PM   #38
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OP, why are you asking Nasioc?! Go talk to some actual racers.

there are more racers that frequent this forum then you know, i can think of 5 off the top of my head that are on hear very regularly
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Old 06-25-2007, 05:47 PM   #39
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I didn't start racing until I was 24... My first race was at Second Creek Raceway in a Spec Ford Racer. Those were fun cars! But, like many car enthusiasts, my dream of racing cars started the first time i watch my dad shift gears agressively on the way out of a fast corner.

I had the same choice, Med school or the seemingly impossible task of driving for money (i didn't really have money to spend). Because of my lack of funds the first job I took in the industry was a sales position a the Pikes Peak International Raceway to learn the Business (read: $$ contacts) of motorsport.

It seems the vital basics for making a living in the motorsports industry are understanding your value to a sponsoring company, chasing the life-long study of car control/racecraft, and realizing that the more you learn in both disciplines (business/driving) the steeper the learning curve will get.

I am certainly not an expert on these matters, but your scenario seemed similar to mine so there are my 2 cents.
good luck!

tanner

Hell, I'm forty and I'm trying to figure out a way to afford a real rally car (got interested in the sport about five years ago). I don't ever expect to make a career of it, but once I get my financial affairs in order - look out P2.
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Old 06-25-2007, 05:55 PM   #40
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Hell, I'm forty and I'm trying to figure out a way to afford a real rally car (got interested in the sport about five years ago). I don't ever expect to make a career of it, but once I get my financial affairs in order - look out P2.
So where do you live? I'll bet you could scare up a crew to help with the car.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:46 AM   #41
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An entire season of SCCA Nationals in a Spec Miata (including the runoffs) will be less than one race in an equally competitive SPEED WC or Koni Challenge car.

In World Challenge and Koni challenge, there are very few people who are paid to drive. I would be surprised if there were more than 15 total among those series.
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:31 PM   #42
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An entire season of SCCA Nationals in a Spec Miata (including the runoffs) will be less than one race in an equally competitive SPEED WC or Koni Challenge car.

In World Challenge and Koni challenge, there are very few people who are paid to drive. I would be surprised if there were more than 15 total among those series.
meh not quite. An entire season of regional spec miata, not including the run offs is over 10 grand, not including the car. I just saw a post for a grand am ST ride for 4k for a weekend.

A friend of mine added up his expenses of last year. It was very close to 20k for Spec Miata. Given you could probably do it for a lot cheaper then that, but even on a budget a weekend is going to cost you around 1k maybe a bit less.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:14 PM   #43
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meh not quite. An entire season of regional spec miata, not including the run offs is over 10 grand, not including the car. I just saw a post for a grand am ST ride for 4k for a weekend.

A friend of mine added up his expenses of last year. It was very close to 20k for Spec Miata. Given you could probably do it for a lot cheaper then that, but even on a budget a weekend is going to cost you around 1k maybe a bit less.
I went to the runoffs in 2005 in an SSB Miata on a budget of $8k, not including the car.

Link to ad? I work for the team that won the GS and ST championships last year, and I can tell you for a ride that has a shot at running in the top 10, it's a lot more than $4k.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:23 PM   #44
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I went to the runoffs in 2005 in an SSB Miata on a budget of $8k, not including the car.

Link to ad? I work for the team that won the GS and ST championships last year, and I can tell you for a ride that has a shot at running in the top 10, it's a lot more than $4k.
4k for a grandam ride That's the lowest I've ever heard for a paying seat. The best I've seen for a top level ST car that has a chance of winning is 7-9K depending on the weekend.

I also have to say that 8k is on the low end for a full regional schedule and runoffs. Not impossible but you have to pinch a lot of pennies to get it down there.

As for the cost I have for running the FC car, I'm not telling because I'm not going to add those receipts up. EVER.

EDIT: I just saw the ad for the 3800 ST seat. No mention of car or team makes it a scary thing to think about what they are going to get out on the track for you. Anything breaks and you are done for the weekend most likely
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4k for a grandam ride That's the lowest I've ever heard for a paying seat. The best I've seen for a top level ST car that has a chance of winning is 7-9K depending on the weekend.

I also have to say that 8k is on the low end for a full regional schedule and runoffs. Not impossible but you have to pinch a lot of pennies to get it down there.

As for the cost I have for running the FC car, I'm not telling because I'm not going to add those receipts up. EVER.

EDIT: I just saw the ad for the 3800 ST seat. No mention of car or team makes it a scary thing to think about what they are going to get out on the track for you. Anything breaks and you are done for the weekend most likely
haha I didn't say what team it was, I just said I saw an ad for 4k

I'm sure you could find a mid pack ST ride for around 4-6k, doesn't have to be a top 10 car. And 8k for a full season plus runoffs, that very cheap. Good job!
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At $2k a weekend you could have a competitive spec miata ride.

Thats 4 weekends (8 races because of double weekends) and then the runoffs for $10k.

I would suggest of course ITA instead of Spec Miata, where the car is cheaper to run, since you can have ducting and diffs, and you don't have to deal with the mid-back pack SM retards

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At $2k a weekend you could have a competitive spec miata ride.

Thats 4 weekends (8 races because of double weekends) and then the runoffs for $10k.

I would suggest of course ITA instead of Spec Miata, where the car is cheaper to run, since you can have ducting and diffs, and you don't have to deal with the mid-back pack SM retards

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Short schedule, what region? We have 8 weekends (11 races).

To be competitive in either SMT or ITA, it will cost a bundle. Or you could do it on a budget and be mid back in both. If you think about it honestly, you can do more things in ITA that would actually make it more expensive (tires, power mods, etc...).
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In any region you want. You don't have to go to all the races if you don't wanna spend the $$ . You only need 4 races to qualify for the runoffs.

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I did 7 Nationals, (NHIS, 2 Lime Rock, Summit Point, Nelson Ledges, Pocono double) plus the Runoffs in '05. I wasn't buying new tires every race, and I did not have a top level SS engine. I slept in the trailer at all the raced except NHIS, where it's close enough to home that I slept there. It wasn't luxurious, but I made it to the Runoffs at Mid-Ohio, which was about the best I could hope for on the budget I had.
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