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Old 05-29-2007, 03:02 PM   #1
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Default nissan gtr in three trims

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...an-gt-r-latest

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After six long years since the Nissan GTR Concept was first unveiled in October 2001, the wait is now only months away, with the public and market debut at the Tokyo Motor show this October. Production is set to commence immediately after its debut with first Japanese deliveries occurring simultaneously throughout the winter. Sales in the U.S. and Canada are set to start in the Spring of 2008.

The GTR is expected to be available in three different model levels. Despite our previous reports of a 4.5 liter V8 engine delivering 450hp, it is now commonly known that it will be a 480hp twin-turbo V6 engine in the standard base GTR as well as the middle level GTR V-Spec. They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:56 PM   #2
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sweet! I can't wait to see these go against the existing performance cars
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:02 PM   #3
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it will be interesting to see what the Curb weight comes out to be. I know they had a pretty aggressive target considering the size and AWD of the car.
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:08 PM   #4
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Just an FYI,

the GT-R Ran the Ring in 7:15

Where it ranks:
Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg

6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05)
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.)
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01)
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04)
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43.2 - Porsche 997 GT Turbo 480 ps
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:35 PM   #5
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We have a winner!

Well... all but the price...
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:42 PM   #6
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price is a rumor
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:51 PM   #7
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I will buy a V-Spec for sure though in the spring...black/black...yo! can't wait...been saving me pennies...and a few dimes
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:53 PM   #8
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wow thats a fast car, I cant believe it beats out all those other cars, seems odd
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:02 PM   #9
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Notice no weight is listed.

Rumors of exotic materials being used to bring the weight down have run rampant
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:08 PM   #10
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Dayum! That car is sick!
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:14 PM   #11
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My jaw literally dropped looking at that lap time. Is it me, or does that just seem unpossible for a ~500bhp production car...... and under $100K????
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:26 PM   #12
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My jaw literally dropped looking at that lap time. Is it me, or does that just seem unpossible for a ~500bhp production car...... and under $100K????
I don't think it's impossible. It takes a lot of engineering, time, and work. But I don't think it's impossible at all.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:38 PM   #13
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My jaw literally dropped looking at that lap time. Is it me, or does that just seem unpossible for a ~500bhp production car...... and under $100K????
We have no idea how that car was prepared, etc. etc. For all we know, it was a gutted prototype on slicks and who knows what else.

If you know that other cars on that list, you'd know it certainly wasn't a production version.

As far as anyone thinking that time was in a stock car...well...what can I say....I guess just that I'm confident you couldn't afford one anyway
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I don't think it's impossible. It takes a lot of engineering, time, and work. But I don't think it's impossible at all.
Sure it is...you can't engineer around physics. A production version, at full weight, doesn't have what it takes to run that time. Did you see the cars on that list?
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While the 7:15 time is semi official, the car that actually ran it isn't. There is a video of the times for proof, with an engine shot.

Rumors are the car that did the time (one of 4 that was at the ring that day), was a ringer Nissan brought knowing the press was watching. It may have been lightened, had race rubber that looked like the street version, and had 650+ HP. But doing it with the VQ V6 shows the potential of the car, even if this was a ringer. If you watch the Video, the car actually lifts 2 wheels in some turns

Official Ring times, and L Seca times will be published at the cars launch in October
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:53 PM   #16
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the left front wheel is off the ground... maybe the car is too light
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:53 PM   #17
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I agree with the very improbable time listed above. Production version sounds about right at 7:35 to 7:45, seeing the other cars listed in that range, and even that seems like a stretch to me.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:06 PM   #18
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No F$^&ing way!!
There is no way this car is faster than GT2 and Carrera GT.. Zonda, etc..


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Just an FYI,

the GT-R Ran the Ring in 7:15

Where it ranks:
Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg

6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05)
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.)
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01)
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04)
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43.2 - Porsche 997 GT Turbo 480 ps
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Rumors of 1/4 million dollars price tag for using those exotic materials..
GT-R will be around 3600-3800 lb.. with AWD, TT v6 and luxury interior, huge brakes, etc...

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Notice no weight is listed.

Rumors of exotic materials being used to bring the weight down have run rampant
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:52 PM   #20
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While the 7:15 time is semi official, the car that actually ran it isn't. There is a video of the times for proof, with an engine shot.

Rumors are the car that did the time (one of 4 that was at the ring that day), was a ringer Nissan brought knowing the press was watching. It may have been lightened, had race rubber that looked like the street version, and had 650+ HP. But doing it with the VQ V6 shows the potential of the car, even if this was a ringer. If you watch the Video, the car actually lifts 2 wheels in some turns

Official Ring times, and L Seca times will be published at the cars launch in October
Where are you getting this information?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:11 PM   #21
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the left front wheel is off the ground... maybe the car is too light
He must be running RE92s to get that kind of grip

That pic assures me that the lap time given was with a ringer on race rubber. Most definitly not a production model. Still, we can see the potential for the car. I'm sure the new GT-R will not disappoint anyone lucky enough to own one.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:41 PM   #22
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He must be running RE92s to get that kind of grip

That pic assures me that the lap time given was with a ringer on race rubber. Most definitly not a production model. Still, we can see the potential for the car. I'm sure the new GT-R will not disappoint anyone lucky enough to own one.
I dont think it needs race rubber to get a wheel off like that in that particular corner..since the road falls away at a different angle as the car is entering the "bowl", if the chassis is stiff enough, it will run out of droop...i don't believe that it is cornering so hard as to lift the inside..i think it's more of a case that the road is falling away + a super stiff chassis
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Where are you getting this information?
The Times and the number of cars at the test: Motortrend and Autoblog (Germany).

The Rumors of the ringer is the buzz on several forums, but it is just that. Rumors.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:38 PM   #24
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I have heard that times at the 'ring need to be taken with a grain of salt--was the time achieved from a standing start or with a flying warm-up lap--that can make a pretty big difference.
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Just an FYI,

the GT-R Ran the Ring in 7:15

Where it ranks:
Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg

6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05)
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.)
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01)
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04)
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43.2 - Porsche 997 GT Turbo 480 ps
This is hard to believe. Cars that are breaking into the low 7's are more or less pure built race cars with some consolation for street use (if at all). To get a 7:15 is probably saying either there was some different variation of the track, someone was full of it, it WAS more or less a race prep version (GT500?), or some mix of the previously mentioned. The first closest production car was a superexotic with a substantially better p/w (amongst other things).

If it indeed pulled a 7:15 out of its hat, ...hat's off to Nissan (their 6mt still sucks though!)
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