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Old 06-01-2007, 02:25 PM   #1
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Kelley Blue Book names 13 Great Fuel_efficient Cars

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Kelley Blue Book names cars in every category that save fuel without sacrificing very much else.




Luxury sedan
Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec
Fuel economy: 23 mpg City / 32 highway
Powered by an advanced diesel engine, the E320 Bluetec is as smooth and pleasant to drive as you'd expect from a Mercedes-Benz.

Unfortunately, due to ultra-strict emissions regulations in some states - among them California and New York - the E320 isn't available everywhere in the U.S.

Soon, it won't be available anywhere here. Mercedes-Benz will stop selling the E320 Bluetec in the U.S. as it begins selling new cleaner diesel SUVs that will be available in all 50 states. SUVs are held to lower emission standards that Mercedes-Benz was able to meet at a reasonable cost.

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Mid-size sedan
Nissan Altima Hybrid
Fuel economy: 35 mpg City / 33 highway
Under its Nissan body, the Altima Hybrid relies on licensed Toyota technology to squeeze out the extra miles.

It's currently available only in California, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.

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Small sedan
Honda Civic Hybrid
Fuel economy: 40 mpg City / 45 highway
While the Prius offers more interior space and a smoother-operating hybrid system around town, the Civic has a less appliance-like appearance and a more stable feel around turns.

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Compact pick-up
Toyota Tacoma
Fuel economy: 20 mpg City / 26 highway
The little Tacoma's not going to haul and tow like the big trucks, but it's not going to use fuel like them either. If your needs don't call for a full-sized truck, it can save you lots.

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Full-size pick-up
Chevrolet Silverado
Fuel economy: 15 mpg City / 20 highway
Twenty miles per gallon on the highway might not seem like a bid deal. but we're talking about a big truck here. Consider that the Silverado's fuel economy is identical to that of the car-based V6-powered Honda Ridgeline.

The Silverado, and its GMC Sierra twin, also have easy-to-drive ride and handling qualities that are unmatched by any other full-sized truck.

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Small SUV
Ford Escape Hybrid
Fuel economy: 34 mpg City / 30 highway
The Escape was already a decent small SUV before it was redesigned for the 2008 model year.

Now it has a more controlled ride and more nimble handing. Inside and out, the new Escape looks sophisticated and masculine.

The Escape Hybrid also has the best fuel economy of any SUV

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Mid-sized SUV
Toyota Highlander
Fuel economy: 28 mpg City / 25 highway
Available soon, the redesigned 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid sports a number of improvements and a sleek new look.

It's about four inches longer than the current version and has second-row seats that can be changed from a bench to separate captain's chairs. Perhaps more importantly, the second row can slide almost five inches forward to create more third-row legroom

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Large SUV
GMC Acadia
Fuel economy: 16 mpg City / 24 highway
With more total cargo volume than a GMC Yukon, the Acadia delivers just about everything you'd expect from a full-size SUV but with much better fuel economy and even better handling than GM's remarkably easy-driving big SUVs.

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Honda Odyssey
Fuel economy: 17 mpg City / 24 highway
The Odyssey is considered by many car critics to be simply the best minivan out there. In addition to having better fuel economy than other minivans it's also remarkably - we're not making this up - fun to drive.
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Old 06-01-2007, 02:26 PM   #2
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Sports car
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Fuel economy: 22 mpg City / 27 highway
As a sports car, the Miata's got a lot going for it. It's solidly built and reliable, comes with either a cloth top or a retractable hard top and, most importantly, it has the balance of a ballerina and plenty of guts

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Hatchback
Mini Cooper
Fuel economy: 27 mpg City / 36 highway
Sporting two more seats than a Mazda Miata and just about as much fun to drive, the Mini Cooper Convertible is for those who aren't quite ready to leave childhood behind.

Day to day, it's easier to live with than a pure sports car, and even in its base version (shown here), it'll put a smile on your face and on that of just about everyone else around.

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Wagon
Pontiac Vibe
Fuel economy: 26 mpg City / 33 highway
Along with its Toyota Matrix near-twin, the Vibe offers plenty of driving enjoyment in a small wagon. The Vibe's been around a while, though, so it may not be available much longer, said Jack Nerad, managing editor of Kelley Blue Book.

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Overall champ
Toyota Prius
Fuel economy: 48 mpg City / 45 highway
The Prius is still, inarguably, the best pick if you're really interested in a fuel efficient car. It's also a really good car that seats four comfortably and has plenty of cargo space.
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Old 06-01-2007, 02:58 PM   #3
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right, 15 isn't that bad. its about the same as a 67 gt350
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:39 PM   #4
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right, 15 isn't that bad. its about the same as a 67 gt350
No kidding, what a joke!
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Old 06-01-2007, 05:13 PM   #5
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Mini over Yaris?
what of regular sedans/non-hybrids?
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Old 06-01-2007, 07:06 PM   #6
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right, 15 isn't that bad. its about the same as a 67 gt350
They had to pick at least one truck from the big truck segment. That one gets the best mileage.
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Old 06-01-2007, 07:14 PM   #7
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The MX-5 gets only 22/27?! My WRX gets around the same gas mileage, plus it has more power...
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:24 AM   #8
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The MX-5 gets only 22/27?! My WRX gets around the same gas mileage, plus it has more power...
These are using the new 2008 EPA mileage estimates.

The 2.0l WRX is estimated at 18/25 (20 combined)
The 2.5l WRX is estimated at 18/25 (21 combined)

My average mileage for my 03 2.0l WRX over nearly 80k mi is 24.9 mpg. I regularly log tanks of 26-28 mpg. My lowest tank ever was 22 mpg so the new EPA testing procedures are not very representative for me.
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The MX-5 gets only 22/27?! My WRX gets around the same gas mileage, plus it has more power...
In the short amount of time that I owned my 06 MX-5, it got anywhere from 27-32 mpg actually. Long trips got 30-32, while I never got worse than 27mpg
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:27 PM   #10
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In the short amount of time that I owned my 06 MX-5, it got anywhere from 27-32 mpg actually. Long trips got 30-32, while I never got worse than 27mpg
Which is much closer to the old EPA ratings of 24/30 and 27 combined.

I think of the new MPG estimates as more of a worse case scenario.
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Which is much closer to the old EPA ratings of 24/30 and 27 combined.

I think of the new MPG estimates as more of a worse case scenario.
I think they are accurate for 90% of drivers though. Most people drive like complete idiots and are getting 25 mpg out of a 4 cyl Accord. I can easily beat the 32 mpg highway rating on my GTI. Most people on VWvortex get in the mid 20s though. If you look at most WRX owners, I'm willing to bet they are far closer to the new ratings than the old. People drive their cars hard... be it a 1991 Ford Ranger or a M3. As a country, if people would drive half decent, we could save so much gasoline per year. Driving like an idiot is the american way, though.

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I think they are accurate for 90% of drivers though. Most people drive like complete idiots and are getting 25 mpg out of a 4 cyl Accord. I can easily beat the 32 mpg highway rating on my GTI. Most people on VWvortex get in the mid 20s though. If you look at most WRX owners, I'm willing to bet they are far closer to the new ratings than the old. People drive their cars hard... be it a 1991 Ford Ranger or a M3. As a country, if people would drive half decent, we could save so much gasoline per year. Driving like an idiot is the american way, though.

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Yes, it could be that you are an elite person who is above the average scum of the earth driver. Or maybe it's because you live in a small town in West Virginia and don't idle in rush hour traffic for half an hour every day like most people.

The new EPA ratings were revised to more accurately reflect the average person's driving conditions, not to account for the average persons being more of an idiot than you are.
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Yes, it could be that you are an elite person who is above the average scum of the earth driver. Or maybe it's because you live in a small town in West Virginia and don't idle in rush hour traffic for half an hour every day like most people.

The new EPA ratings were revised to more accurately reflect the average person's driving conditions, not to account for the average persons being more of an idiot than you are.
Oh, jesus ****ing christ. I am talking about everyone that slams on the gas at every start and slams on the brakes at every stop, which I consider idiot driving.

The difference between me driving the speed limit and anticipating when I'll have to slow down and me getting on it at every light and speeding is massive. The roads and driving conditions didn't change... but wow, the mileage is vastly different. Shouldn't the city part cover the idling in traffic?

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I'm just saying that the differences in average conditions, city or highway, between someone living in a small isolated town versus someone who lives in a metropolitan area is huge. It makes much more of a difference than simply coasting to red lights and driving the speed limit (although those things can make a significant difference - I'm a big coaster). For many city drivers during rush hour, speed limit isn't even an option. It never crawls that fast. I would wager that your MPG is more of a result of where you live and not so much due to your driving superiority (although conservative driving does help).

The "highway" driving between Tampa and Orlando, or San Diego and Los Angeles, is much different than the highway driving between Eleanor and Charleston, WV. The "city" conditions are also vastly different. Sure, driving style can help you get better than average MPG for your area, but the EPA ratings were revised to more accurately reflect the average person's driving conditions these days and weren't changed to reflect the idiocy of the average American driver.
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its funny, everyone thinks they are a good driver.
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Yes, it could be that you are an elite person who is above the average scum of the earth driver. Or maybe it's because you live in a small town in West Virginia and don't idle in rush hour traffic for half an hour every day like most people.

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I used to live in Detroit, and commuting there is horrible, with poorly maintained roads and gas guzzlers clogging the roadways. That being said, I always and easily bettered the OLD epa ratings on a consistent basis.

Quentin is spot on. Majority of Americans either don't give a damn or are just too damn stupid when it comes to driving efficiently.

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its funny, everyone thinks they are a good driver.
anybody who consistently beats the epa estimates is a good driver in my book.
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The "highway" driving between Tampa and Orlando, or San Diego and Los Angeles, is much different than the highway driving between Eleanor and Charleston, WV. The "city" conditions are also vastly different. Sure, driving style can help you get better than average MPG for your area, but the EPA ratings were revised to more accurately reflect the average person's driving conditions these days and weren't changed to reflect the idiocy of the average American driver.
I think that is where the difference is. Highway means, to me, 55mph roads; not interstate, which is what I would expect between SD and LA. When I drive interstate speeds, I usually lose 1 to 1.5 mpg on average. The car has to run at a higher RPM to maintain those speeds and you are facing way less drag at 55mph than 65mph (drag equation squares velocity). I don't expect to see above the EPA rating on interstate driving. Basically, I liked the old rating because it gave you a realistic best case scenario. Maybe I'm just a negative person and the old standard was "well, you'll never reach this target". The new one is just too optimistic. You can drive without trying and still hit the target.

City mileage, I don't see the point, honestly. City driving varies so much that it is damn near impossible to give an accurate number to everyone. I figure the mileage will suck and I may as well just give it as little gas as possible to get where I'm going. Drive in DC. Those people have to be creeping around 75% of the city rating due to the erratic driving habits.

I don't think my driving is superior. I simply drive slow and steady. It isn't a skill thing. It is a decision. Do I want to maximize the amount of money I'm flushing into my gas tank or do I want to waste it. I love getting on the gas in my car. I just don't waste the money when I'm not getting some sort of thrill out of it. What is the point to gun it from a light when you'll immediately be on the brakes again?

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I really wish the Lotus Elise would have won for "great fuel efficent sports car"



24 City / 29 Highway.
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Oh, jesus ****ing christ. I am talking about everyone that slams on the gas at every start and slams on the brakes at every stop, which I consider idiot driving.
Exactly. Whenever you get into a bit of traffic, everyone gets into jack-rabbit mode which is horrible for mileage.

You see it everywhere, people are always racing to the next light so they can hurry up and stop.

Or on the Interstate these same people are tailgating and repeatedly on the gas and brake.

It's funny, because as soon as the freeway slows down around here (San Diego/LA), it's always the "fast" lanes that slow down the most in traffic since those people tend to be the worst at looking ahead and anticipating traffic flow. Usually the right 2 lanes are significantly faster even with traffic merging in/out.
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right, 15 isn't that bad. its about the same as a 67 gt350

Except this pickup does it with a larger frontal area, more weight, and with MUCH lower emissions.

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wow, those new epa numbers made the prius take a big hit... -12 city and -6 highway, that's gotta hurt. They don't perform much better than the civics now (though a new prius will be here shortly).

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... it's always the "fast" lanes that slow down the most in traffic since those people tend to be the worst at looking ahead and anticipating traffic flow. Usually the right 2 lanes are significantly faster even with traffic merging in/out.
It's kind of hard to anticipate traffic flow when you can't see around the jackass in the Hummer who is running in the #1 lane.
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Why KBB no Corvette?

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Because the Miata won the sports car category already with 22/27.
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I think that is where the difference is. Highway means, to me, 55mph roads; not interstate, which is what I would expect between SD and LA. When I drive interstate speeds, I usually lose 1 to 1.5 mpg on average. The car has to run at a higher RPM to maintain those speeds and you are facing way less drag at 55mph than 65mph (drag equation squares velocity). I don't expect to see above the EPA rating on interstate driving. Basically, I liked the old rating because it gave you a realistic best case scenario. Maybe I'm just a negative person and the old standard was "well, you'll never reach this target". The new one is just too optimistic. You can drive without trying and still hit the target.

City mileage, I don't see the point, honestly. City driving varies so much that it is damn near impossible to give an accurate number to everyone. I figure the mileage will suck and I may as well just give it as little gas as possible to get where I'm going. Drive in DC. Those people have to be creeping around 75% of the city rating due to the erratic driving habits.

I don't think my driving is superior. I simply drive slow and steady. It isn't a skill thing. It is a decision. Do I want to maximize the amount of money I'm flushing into my gas tank or do I want to waste it. I love getting on the gas in my car. I just don't waste the money when I'm not getting some sort of thrill out of it. What is the point to gun it from a light when you'll immediately be on the brakes again?

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I gotta agree with Quentin and everyone else on this one Scott... maybe Americans are not idiot drivers, it would be a bad generalization but one I have no problem co-signing on.

I live in Northern Virginia, close to DC but not that close because of all the damn traffic and it is amazing to see people literally redline their cars through traffic and lights. Depending on how I drive I can see my gas gauge go down half to 3/4s and tank or barely lose a quarter of a tank.

I think in city driving it multiplies the effect of good driving vs bad driving habits. You can easily see your gas mileage skyrocket if you just take it easy.
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