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Old 06-03-2007, 01:56 AM   #1
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Default Power bleeder or speed bleeders?

Looking at all the available tools, I've narrowed down to 2 tools that allow you to 1 man bleed/flush:

- motive power bleeder

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- speed bleeders (the spring/ball bleeder screw replacements)

better choice for reliability and ease?
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:38 AM   #2
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I need to try some speed bleeders.

I've had good luck with the motive but, you'll want to have the specific top for the WRX master cylinder, the universal mount will make you tear your hair out.
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:07 PM   #3
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If you go the speed bleeder route, might not install the on the vehicle, but rather snug them in some plastic tubing and put the tubing on the bleeder screw. That way you'd avoid accidentally sheering them off in the caliper ( Seen more than one report of people having this happen, even when being as cautious as possible).
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:03 PM   #4
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power motive bleeder. I can flush my brake system in less than 30 mins.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:39 PM   #5
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I just ordered a Power Motive bleeder (as well as new rotors and pads) - I've used speedbleeders before and I wasn't as impressed as I guess I should have been. Pressurized bleeding for the win!
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:44 PM   #6
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i must be the only one that likes to do it the old fashion way that way i know its done right

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:49 PM   #7
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I'm about to do a set of pads and bleed on both my wife's Camry and my WRX. So which bleeder do you get?

http://www.motiveproducts.com/02bleeders.html
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:46 PM   #8
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i must be the only one that likes to do it the old fashion way that way i know its done right

Shane
With speedbleeders you can still do it the old fashion way, but not have to depend on some dude to help you.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:57 PM   #9
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the universal mount will make you tear your hair out.
This is true. The bleed on my Miata with the universal top was not fun. With the WRX-specific top it's much easier.

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Old 06-07-2007, 04:50 PM   #10
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This is true. The bleed on my Miata with the universal top was not fun. With the WRX-specific top it's much easier.

john
So if were to order a bleeder from the Motive Products website, do I just specify Subaru Impreza WRX? I see that they have ones for GM, Dodge, Ford etc. but no Subaru.
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:03 PM   #11
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So if were to order a bleeder from the Motive Products website, do I just specify Subaru Impreza WRX? I see that they have ones for GM, Dodge, Ford etc. but no Subaru.
The 3 pronged "Ford" one supposed fits Subies perfectly.

Problem is, I also have a Toyota in my family which Motive says to utilize the "universal one". In short, I'd be buying this only for the Subaru... which is less incentive to get this tool and more incentive to use a speedbleeder on a tube or bother the wife or a friend (neither of which are readily available for me; particularly at 11 pm at night; the only time I have to work on my car)
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:04 PM   #12
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I think one of the ford ones works.

I like vacuum bleeding. Crack the screw, pump the handle until new fluid comes out. Next time I'm borrowing one of the pumps we have at work.
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:05 PM   #13
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yeah vaccum bleeding is where its at
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:36 PM   #14
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yeah vaccum bleeding is where its at
+1, just picked up one of these for the Suby(same one Pete from Scobby Mods has in the pics)

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=39522

on sale at my local store for $24.99, worked great, plus you can suck all the old fluid out with it before you start.
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Old 06-07-2007, 09:52 PM   #15
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I have one you hook up to the shop air. Took less then 30 mins to do a full bleed on my wilwoods today. They needed it, the track day on saturday wasn't nice to my fluid 2 bleeder screws per caliper sucks, but no worry with the powered vaccum bleeder.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:04 PM   #16
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I've used Speedbleeders for four years and they work great. Cheap and easy.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:18 PM   #17
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Yeah.... Vacuum bleeding sucks, it barely works. The biggest problem is you tend to suck air AROUND the bleeder screw threads instead of pulling fluid. I never got a good bleed using a vacuum pump. I've gotten close by wrapping the bleeder screws in teflon tape and screwing them back in.

One technique I use regularly when I'm too lazy to pull out the pressure bleeder is to simply connect a hose to the bleeder, other end in a bottle and loop the hose up so, any air that comes out goes up. Then I open the bleeder and pump the pedal. It does a very good coarse bleed because the fluid it only flowing in one direction. It's a variation of a gravity bleed that never exposes the bleeder nipple to air.

Then the pressure pump and sometimes the 2 person method when my son's around. Pressure pump and 2 man method seems to give me the best results.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:24 AM   #18
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Yeah.... Vacuum bleeding sucks, it barely works. The biggest problem is you tend to suck air AROUND the bleeder screw threads instead of pulling fluid. I never got a good bleed using a vacuum pump. I've gotten close by wrapping the bleeder screws in teflon tape and screwing them back in.

One technique I use regularly when I'm too lazy to pull out the pressure bleeder is to simply connect a hose to the bleeder, other end in a bottle and loop the hose up so, any air that comes out goes up. Then I open the bleeder and pump the pedal. It does a very good coarse bleed because the fluid it only flowing in one direction. It's a variation of a gravity bleed that never exposes the bleeder nipple to air.

Then the pressure pump and sometimes the 2 person method when my son's around. Pressure pump and 2 man method seems to give me the best results.
great tips! thanks!

I was tempted to by the vaccuum bleeder, but heard too many nonsuccess stories.

I love the gravity idea! It doesn't suck stuff back in (especially before the tube is full of fluid) when you pump the pedal?
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Old 06-08-2007, 01:51 AM   #19
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Say, it sucks some fluid back in, as long as it's not sucking air back in it's working. That's why I run the hose upwards so any air bubbles rise up. I've never seen it suck fluid back though.
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:27 AM   #20
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Stainless Steel Speed Bleeders FTW!


I think Oakos still has them.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:14 PM   #21
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I just picked up the Subaru/Ford specific adapter for my power bleeder. Looks like that's the only thing I'll ever use any more. Far easier than even the technique I described above.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:21 PM   #22
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I like doing it the old fashioned way. I tried speed bleeders and didn't like them. Yeah they make it a 1 man job, but I had a hard time getting them tight enough to not leak any fluid. I also noticed the pedal feel was softer using speed bleeders vs. old fashioned with 2 peeps.

If anyone one wants speed bleeders I have an assortment that I'll never be using again. 4 that fit Stoptech ST-40's and a whole bunch that fit rear and/or front stock calipers depending on year.
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I just picked up the Subaru/Ford specific adapter for my power bleeder. Looks like that's the only thing I'll ever use any more. Far easier than even the technique I described above.
Back to Motiv it is then.

On another note... why oh why did Subaru make the bleed order FR, RL, FL, RR? It's the most time consuming order for people who don't have lifts!!
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Old 06-08-2007, 01:25 PM   #24
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Yeah.... Vacuum bleeding sucks, it barely works. The biggest problem is you tend to suck air AROUND the bleeder screw threads instead of pulling fluid. I never got a good bleed using a vacuum pump. I've gotten close by wrapping the bleeder screws in teflon tape and screwing them back in.

One technique I use regularly when I'm too lazy to pull out the pressure bleeder is to simply connect a hose to the bleeder, other end in a bottle and loop the hose up so, any air that comes out goes up. Then I open the bleeder and pump the pedal. It does a very good coarse bleed because the fluid it only flowing in one direction. It's a variation of a gravity bleed that never exposes the bleeder nipple to air.

Then the pressure pump and sometimes the 2 person method when my son's around. Pressure pump and 2 man method seems to give me the best results.
You also need a good vacuum bleeder - the Motive ones kinda suck. Something like this is much better, and is more like how it is done on assembly lines:
http://www.griotsgarage.com/search.j...x=0&search.y=0

The problem that some people complain about with the pressure bleeders is that some air (and hence mosture) is getting forced into suspension in the brake fluid. Probably not enough to make any major difference, but it would reduce the life expectancy of the brake fluid by a bit.

I have the above vacuum bleeder and speed bleeders - works great and I can one man bleed at home or at the track.

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Back to Motiv it is then.

On another note... why oh why did Subaru make the bleed order FR, RL, FL, RR? It's the most time consuming order for people who don't have lifts!!
The order is based on the brake lines in the system so that they are properly purged of the old fluid and minimizing the contamination of the new fluid.
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I'm going bring this peristaltic pump over to my friend's house to change his fluid tomorrow:



My mityvac takes too much effort
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