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Old 06-09-2007, 10:29 PM   #26
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#1: Its not Illegal
#2: Read the fine print, chances are you signed something that gives them permission to inspect the vehicle. That includes your timeslips.
"Read the fine print"....Yeah, chances are he didn't read that. Sucks for the honest people (I'm not saying the OP is honest, idk) when stupid people f it up for everybody else. True with everything though. It troubles me that looking through your stuff and photographing it is legal regardless of the situation (unless it's murder). I understand that Subaru is a (big) business, fraud is rampant, everybody cover their ass. But just reading the OP's later rant gives me a feeling that the guy is not an a-hole trying to pull one. It sounds like he acknowledges his own mistakes.

There is a possibilty I could be wrong about this feeling. Ask my wife.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:29 AM   #27
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when a car comes in for warranty work/requests, it is not uncommon for a dealership to take pictures of the issues. And I can bet you if you brought your car into the dealership I work at for tranny warranty and left time slips in the car, they would be copied and submitted with pics of the destroyed tranny as reason for denial of warranty.

Unless you lock your glove box and they break into it, shops are allowed to get out your owners manual, look for oil change receipts and what not.

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Old 06-10-2007, 03:33 AM   #28
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I did my girl in the back seat will that void my warranty? I mean the car was shacking pretty bad and I left a few white stains on the seats....

Ok so clean your car out and get it detailed before taking it to get repaired, CHECK. Heaven forbid if I should have a straw sleeve or empty cigarette box laying on the floor that would mean I would be abusing my car. ( saw sombody post somthing like that on theses forums and talking crap about how the guy obviously dosn't take care of his car because of what he saw in it)

Also why does subaru call the wrx tr a tr (tuner ready) when you cant tune it? Fale Advertising?

Well here is my problem I have an 06 wrx tr with 20,168 miles and my clutch is gone. First I thought it was a turbo leak because the symptoms were when I would gun-it my boost would go up and not hold so I check all the exhaust and all was good so a couple of days go bye and I had to gun it around a semi truck and when I did my revs redlined and I wasn't moving at all. So now if I accelerate hard at all my clutch wont engage at all. I called subaru on Saturday but service wasn't open so left a voice mail.

My 97 Honda Accord that I gave my girl trans went out and I had aftermarket headers,cat-back,hondadata and some other addons and I took it up there and didn't even think I had any warranty left and they said I had like 20 miles left before warranty was up and they replaced the trans with no problem, the mods didn't even phase them, it was great.

If I get any kind of hassle with getting a new clutch I'll hand them the keys and let the car go back and they can explain to Chase Auto why they wont get there payment ever again. I could give 2 flying Fs about my credit either.
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Old 06-10-2007, 03:43 AM   #29
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Well here is my problem I have an 06 wrx tr with 20,168 miles and my clutch is gone. First I thought it was a turbo leak because the symptoms were when I would gun-it my boost would go up and not hold so I check all the exhaust and all was good so a couple of days go bye and I had to gun it around a semi truck and when I did my revs redlined and I wasn't moving at all. So now if I accelerate hard at all my clutch wont engage at all. I called subaru on Saturday but service wasn't open so left a voice mail.
I got an 07TR and i already had my clutch replaced at 16500
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:40 AM   #30
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Well I don't know in my case since I approved upon my car and got a better exhaust that looks great and sounds great and some other modds like spt intake,spt intake heat sheild,hks turbo timer,apexi gt spec cb,nvidia bellmouth dp,perrin up-pipe, so don't know about my case. Whats funny is they trick you into modding your car by calling it a TR and putting a turbo on it and selling SPT parts and making it seem like modding your car is what this car is built around and they fell to mention saying dont tune your car or we can void/refuse to repair your wrx tr.

So if anybody comes in with any kind of mode they sterotype you and just assume your racing when it could be just sombody wants a better/stronger ride that looks great and sounds great and preforms great. Not everybody that puts mods on there cars are street racers.

Dont get me wrong im no punk when it comes to driving ill smoke sombody on the street or highway quick if they test me and don't get me wrong if I want to do a 0-60 run to see how my cars doing, any car should be able to handle thoses kind of things on occasions.

So Monday I'm going to take my car down to the dealer and see if they give me crap.

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Old 06-10-2007, 05:28 AM   #31
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If I get any kind of hassle with getting a new clutch I'll hand them the keys and let the car go back and they can explain to Chase Auto why they wont get there payment ever again. I could give 2 flying Fs about my credit either.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:18 AM   #32
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If I get any kind of hassle with getting a new clutch I'll hand them the keys and let the car go back and they can explain to Chase Auto why they wont get there payment ever again. I could give 2 flying Fs about my credit either.
Chase Auto and SOA will not stop corporate operations to discuss your clutch. If you don't make your payments the lender will repo the car in about 120 days. They will sell the car at auction and charge off any balance left over. This will leave you with both a repossession and a huge charge off on your credit report. This will take you out of any form of credit for a good while. You will have done no harm to the dealer or SOA. You will have harmed yourself. So even if you don't care about your credit you are letting your opponents beat you by just walking away from the car.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:29 AM   #33
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Spelling and credit are very important. Learn about them now and you will live a richer life.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:43 AM   #34
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Whats funny is they trick you into modding your car by calling it a TR and putting a turbo on it and selling SPT parts and making it seem like modding your car is what this car is built around and they fell to mention saying dont tune your car or we can void/refuse to repair your wrx tr.

Have you ever read your owner's manual? It does state that abuse will cause denial of warranty. Some of the SPT parts even say "for off road use" and "may void warranty."

After reading some of your posts I think you need to mature or go back to modding Honda's
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:56 AM   #35
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Nope havnt read all of the owners manual but i have read a 1000 post here at theses forums about subaru customers not getting warranty when there in warranty because of racing slips,scratched rims, aftermarket exhaust(when the sell spt exhaust at the dealer behind you when your signing papers to own your car, what a trick). So I'll take the word of millions of pissed off customers then an owners manual.

Please dont try to hurt my feeling and start crap when I'm here to give the poster of this thread some relief that he isn't the only one in this boat and how frustrating it is that you want to enjoy your car the way you want and would like to get what you pay for.

WTF is wrong with people on forums, all ways trying to flame,cut people down ect if anybody sounds like an ahole its you! and the people that say: "learn to spell","your inmature", crap like that. Is what I'm saying hurting your feelings, and thats why you don't stay on topic and go to bashing me instead of talking about what the post is about?

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Old 06-10-2007, 11:13 AM   #36
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Reading the owners manual now. Here is somthing.
Page 7 of owners manual
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Your vehicle should not be modified. Modification could affect its performance, safety or durability, and may even violate governmental regulations. In addition, damage or performance problems resulting from modification may not be covered under warranties.
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Ok so I modded the hell out of my car so no warranty.

Page 11-3
Incorrect or incomplete service could cause improper or unsafe vehicle operation. Any problems caused by improper maintenance and serive performed by you are not eligible for warranty coverage.
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Ok so from day one I have did all my service maintenance myself and did not use Subaru oil filters and ect so they could get me on that to.
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Im about to go to work so ill take the Warranty and Service Booklet with me so I can learn all about the awsome warranty that comes with Subarus.
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:32 AM   #37
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Have you ever read your owner's manual? It does state that abuse will cause denial of warranty. Some of the SPT parts even say "for off road use" and "may void warranty."

After reading some of your posts I think you need to mature or go back to modding Honda's
"Sold "as is" without any warranty coverage. Intended for off-highway application only. May bring vehicle out of compliance with safety/or emissions standards. Can only be lawfully installed by end user."

They want warranty the part you put on. And I live in a state that dosn't have emissions on cars.

Here some more on that.

"Disclaimer of Warranties
This Subaru performance part is sold "as is" and without any warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made regarding this part, including but not limited to any representations as to its quality or performance, and purchaser shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair or replacement due to any defect or failure of this part.
Purchaser acknowledges that vehicles equipped with this part must not be operated on public highways since such operation may be unlawful. This performance part is intended solely for use on vehicles participating in a sanctioned off highway competitive event. Purchaser acknowledges that Subaru vehicle and parts and accessories warranties do not cover damage to any component that results from operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event. Purchaser also acknowledges that there is no warranty coverage for any part or accessory that fails as a result of the installation of this Subaru performance part. Purchaser accepts all responsibility for all vehicles modifications and all potential risks.
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This Subaru performance part has been designed and is intended for off highway application only. Installation of this part on a vehicle intended for use on public roads may violate state or federal laws and regulations including those relating to emissions requirements and motor vehicle safety standards. Federal and many state laws prohibit the removal, modification or rendering inoperative of any part or vehicle system affecting emissions or safety. Violations may result in a fine of up to $10,000 per vehicle. In addition, installation of this part may adversely affect the warranty coverage on your vehicle. "
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In my state its fine to have thoses parts on but still I could get refused on warranty for having that part because it might hurt my cars peformance? Is that right?

Every where I'm reading says my warranty will be voided for having thoses modds on my car. Still havn't found where it says that service can go threw your car and take things out that isn't part of the car like the service manual, thats a little messed up.

I'm a sellsmen and we always talk to people in detail about the warranties and what to look for so if anything happens they know and can prepare for it. My sellsmen never talked to me about the warranty he just try to sell me a better one. I'm glad I didn't do that becuase it would of raised my monthly payment and then still wouldn't of got any warranty. LOL what a scam. How hard is it to tell people look I bet your thinking that you can go crazy and mod the crap out of this car but you cant you will have warranty issues when the time comes so I would wait untill the car is out of warranty before you go and mod it. Then I would of been like dang thanks for the advice and would of waited for my car to be out of service before moding my wrx tr and we would be all good and not about to go through this.

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Old 06-10-2007, 11:42 AM   #38
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Subaru should be able to deny a warranty claim due to abuse, but allowing a dealer to go through the receipts or whatever in your glove box, removing them and making photo copies is ridiculous.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:46 PM   #39
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Reading the owners manual now. Here is somthing.

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Incorrect or incomplete service could cause improper or unsafe vehicle operation. Any problems caused by improper maintenance and serive performed by you are not eligible for warranty coverage.
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Ok so from day one I have did all my service maintenance myself and did not use Subaru oil filters and ect so they could get me on that to.
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How is you comprehension? Not very good? It does not say anything about doing maintance yourself, or using Subaru oil filters. Quit being an idiot and trying to scare people.

As far as your clutch, it is a wear item and not typically covered by warranty over 1 year or 12000 miles. I am really sure you are just going to hand over the keys to your car and walk away. If you do, talk video so that you can prove you are not all talk.....

Have had an 02 WRX and an 04 STI and never had a single issue with either car. Always done my own service and kept recipts if I ever did need them. I had taken then both to the track with no problems. Maybe you need to look at your driving habits.
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Every where I'm reading says my warranty will be voided for having thoses modds on my car.
Not exactly. As the Forum Sticky with the relevant title says, they can't void your whole warranty unless you do something pretty drastic and very rare. What they can, and do, do is to deny coverage under the warranty for a specific problem, on the grounds that your mod(s) caused/contributed to that specific problem.
For example, if a certain component is designed to handle up to a certain force, and your mods cause the engine to apply more force, you can't reasonably expect the warranty to cover breakage of that component. Thus, often the issue boils down to whether or not your mods contributed to the specific problem.

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I'm a sellsmen and we always talk to people in detail about the warranties and what to look for so if anything happens they know and can prepare for it. My sellsmen never talked to me about the warranty he just try to sell me a better one. ...
As you gain more experience in life, you'll realize that many people trying to sell you something do *not* have your best interests at heart. (IMHO, the best salesmen actually do, and try to create a win-win transaction, so don't go over to the dark side yourself!)

Just take your car in and deal with the service folks with a polite, positive attitude and see what they say regarding repair under warranty. With luck, you'll be positively surprised. Remember, it's pretty much only the people unhappy with their service that post here, for natural reasons. Thus, you miss seeing most of the "my repair was covered under warranty, no problem, even though I had an engine swap and big-rig trailer add-on" stories.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:00 PM   #41
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i won't be buying another subaru because of the service departments and ahole salesman that all happen to work under subaru; tis' a shame!

to the OP: sell the car
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:12 PM   #42
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Just take your car in and deal with the service folks with a polite, positive attitude and see what they say regarding repair under warranty. With luck, you'll be positively surprised.
Ah, but here's where stupid people mess it up for everyone else, and you need a little help from fate too...

Say you live in a fairly affluent area, and your Subie dealer sells lots of WRX's. The chance of some idiot trying to scam the dealer due to customer abuse goes up considerably, purely by volume of cars sold. I'm not saying in this situation all dealers are unfair, I'm just saying that in a case where the bank has been robbed a few times in the last month you can bet that the tellers will be looking at you from the corner of their eye as soon as you walk in the door.

In my case my Subie dealer has one WRX on the lot right now, not because they sell alot, because they don't sell at all. It's great when I have a problem, because they are not jaded by scammers to the point of paranoid. The down side is they have to pick up the shop manual to do certain things (rear diff. noise fix), and it takes them a little longer. Better than catching hell for something you didn't do.

I agree you should try your best to present yourself in an open, honest, courteous manner. I just wanted to add that you might be running uphill at one dealer when you're coasting at another.
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This thread is comical in so many ways. However, tyhe one thing that most people forget is that Subaru does the exact same thing every other manufacturer with a sports car does when it comes to abuse, modding, and racing.

Ford is worse than Subaru and most Ford dealers will void any repair the moment they see anything aftermarket!
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Unfortunately, this is because in the early days of the RS/WRX people were taking their cars in for "warranty work" when it was entirely their fault that they lost first gear.

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The spelling in this thread is almost as atrocious as the logic. By changing the boost and the timing, you've changed the wear on the mechanical bits, and are now asking Subaru to accommodate your tinkering.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:39 PM   #46
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will it be my fault if i do 0-60 in 5.55 seconds everyday and something breaks ? i mean the marketing for subaru is always there 0-60 right ? .
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You guys think Subaru is bad...

Subaru is VERY lenient with mods and warranty and all that. Most other manufacturers are FAR more diligent.

Had a MazdaSpeed 3 come in, 900 miles, with the tranny mount ripped off its bracket. A Mazda rep came out just to look at that one single car. Warranty repair was denied. Car was abused. No questions asked.
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You guys think Subaru is bad...

Subaru is VERY lenient with mods and warranty and all that. Most other manufacturers are FAR more diligent.

Had a MazdaSpeed 3 come in, 900 miles, with the tranny mount ripped off its bracket. A Mazda rep came out just to look at that one single car. Warranty repair was denied. Car was abused. No questions asked.
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Many companies will deny a warranty claim on a whim... some companies are worse than others and it also depends a lot on the dealership.

If somebody managed to tear a transmission clean off of its mount, that's one thing (I'm not ven sure how something like that would happen), but I would be pretty irked if the dealer techs went rifling through my stuff looking for an excuse. I wouldn't trust anybody I don't know personally, that's why I wouldn't leave any personal belongings laying around in my car when taking it to a shop... that's just asking for trouble.

I wouldn't recommend posting any complaints when you're looking for warranty service either. There's always somebody that's more than willing to take your money, and they don't mind doing a few minutes of searching on a web forum to get that money.
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