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Old 06-12-2007, 01:21 PM   #101
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Burning the clutch is burning the clutch, whether it was done out of malice, or ignorance. It's not designed to be used in a partially engaged state for extended periods. End of story. How that occurred, is really irrelevant.
Hopefully Subaru doesn't share your black and white, close minded opinion. Otherwise there is no point in having a warranty on the clutch as a wear item. It should just read if defective then replace, otherwise sorry.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:27 PM   #102
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Hopefully Subaru doesn't share your black and white, close minded opinion. Otherwise there is no point in having a warranty on the clutch as a wear item. It should just read if defective then replace, otherwise sorry.
your claim is that it has to be done by intent for it to be abuse, not stupidity. Which is just asinine. That would be equivalent to me not putting oil, and expecting a replaced motor, because I didn't know any better.

A warranty is for defective parts, not defective driver.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:29 PM   #103
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So what if you have a defective clutch but it looks abused? Under your logic you are screwed even though you did nothing wrong.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:34 PM   #104
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So what if you have a defective clutch but it looks abused? Under your logic you are screwed even though you did nothing wrong.
That's a separate question, that's entirely speculatory. From my conversations with mechanics, an abused clutch is quite obvious.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:37 PM   #105
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Hopefully Subaru doesn't share your black and white, close minded opinion. Otherwise there is no point in having a warranty on the clutch as a wear item. It should just read if defective then replace, otherwise sorry.
If you made a product that had a warranty like Subaru then you would understand how black and white it is when it comes to warranty replacements. The product was not defective(which it needs to be under normal driving). The driver was creating premature wear on the clutch.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:38 PM   #106
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Well hopefully everyhting goes well for me, like I said I learned to drive stick with it but since then my commute to work has been mostly highway so even I was shocked when it starting slipping so early (although 30k doesn't seem early compared to the previous poster).
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:41 PM   #107
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If you made a product that had a warranty like Subaru then you would understand how black and white it is when it comes to warranty replacements. The product was not defective(which it needs to be under normal driving). The driver was creating premature wear on the clutch.

Again why even have a separate wear item warranty for it then? If they are only going to replace it if it is defective then there is no need to have it under wear items. Are they going to claim I braked too hard on my 30k check up and not replace my pads because I abused them? Only replace them if they are defective.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:46 PM   #108
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i believe that if the company is going to offer a war. then no matter what they should replace the part. If they aren't going to be adhearing to the warr. they sold you, then don't offer one to the customer.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:47 PM   #109
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Because there is a difference between 30k of stop and go traffic, and a track day.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:49 PM   #110
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Because there is a difference between 30k of stop and go traffic, and a track day.
Oh there is? So what if my clutch is slipping from 30k of stop and go then?
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I would say you have a good argument for replacement, as that's not abuse, and it isn't racing the car.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:51 PM   #112
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I would say you have a good argument for replacement.
Well like I said my commute to work was mostly highway but everywhere else.... lovely Northern VA traffic. I think location is obviously a factor that should be considered.
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The warranty is there for defects in manufacturing.

Insurance is there for defects in judgement.

Is learning how to drive a stick make the clutch defective? No.

Is it a case where SOA may be willing to cover it as a goodwill gesture in the event that you are honest with them and or do your service at the dealer? Absolutely.
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:02 PM   #114
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I would say you have a good argument for replacement, as that's not abuse, and it isn't racing the car.
Not really.

A clutch will not wear out in 30k as a result of stop and go traffic.
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Again why even have a separate wear item warranty for it then? If they are only going to replace it if it is defective then there is no need to have it under wear items. Are they going to claim I braked too hard on my 30k check up and not replace my pads because I abused them? Only replace them if they are defective.
They do have a Seperate wear item for it. However, that also depends on whether or not it is abused. He has made it clear that this was his first time driving a manual and that is why the clutch wore out so soon, because he did not know how to drive it.
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i believe that if the company is going to offer a war. then no matter what they should replace the part. If they aren't going to be adhearing to the warr. they sold you, then don't offer one to the customer.
The warranty comes with the car, they don't sell you a factory warranty. The customers dont pay anything extra for a basic warranty
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:10 PM   #116
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A clutch will not wear out in 30k as a result of stop and go traffic.
But if he's slipping the clutch every time he starts from a stop, it will. With good technique, you are at low rpms when you let out the clutch (fairly quickly) to start in first.

But if you ride the clutch, holding rpms, then release every time you are wearing the crap out of it. I'm talking fairly low rpms, not launching. It will still wear the clutch prematurely.
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:19 PM   #117
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So you basically learned how to drive stick on this car then? No wonder the clutch is shot.
While I didn't learn stick on this car, it is my first manual car, and I had less than 500 miles worth total of manual driving on other cars. I'm at 93,000 miles in my wrx and still on the stock clutch. IF the clutch is gone at 20-30k, I'd say they really haven't learned yet.

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But if he's slipping the clutch every time he starts from a stop, it will. With good technique, you are at low rpms when you let out the clutch (fairly quickly) to start in first.

But if you ride the clutch, holding rpms, then release every time you are wearing the crap out of it. I'm talking fairly low rpms, not launching. It will still wear the clutch prematurely.
Right, it absolutely will.

However, if you know how to drive a standard transmission it will not wear the clutch in 30k, maybe 100k but that would probably be pushing it.

FWIW I have about 50k on the original clutch, mostly stop and go driving with 385lb ft of torque. I had the trans out at 40k to do some upgrades and the clutch still has about %80 remaining on it (based on the depth to the rivets)
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While I didn't learn stick on this car, it is my first manual car, and I had less than 500 miles worth total of manual driving on other cars. I'm at 93,000 miles in my wrx and still on the stock clutch. IF the clutch is gone at 20-30k, I'd say they really haven't learned yet.

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Why rally boy wait so long to stick?
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Old 06-12-2007, 03:13 PM   #120
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Mind posting what happened please? So far it is very vague.
Are you SUBARU in disguise???? Are you? lol.. j/k
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Are you SUBARU in disguise???? Are you? lol.. j/k
If you read his username backwards it is 002soak

He must be SOA secret agent 002 with a license to kill threads! (hence the k)

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I kill threads too, but without a license.

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Old 06-12-2007, 05:26 PM   #123
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I ust put mine back to stock and my warranty was not denied and this was for tranny work.
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Old 06-12-2007, 05:29 PM   #124
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....o.k. ....so what did I miss?



...ah. It's another one of those threads.

*74,000 miles on my hard driven, weak ass '03 tranny*
83K on mine. Replaced stock clutch at about 75K. looks like we have rare "glass" trannys. car has been something equivlent to a cobb stg2 sence ummm about 25K miles.
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Old 06-12-2007, 05:49 PM   #125
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Wow, hopefully the NOS in my '07 STi doesn't make my engine blow up while I'm racing the kid in the SRT4 tomorrow night.

6K launches FTW!

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