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Old 06-18-2007, 05:12 PM   #1
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So I've been toying with what to do first to my Subie. For those who don't know I've got an '06 LGT spec B. After much debate and forum trolling... I've decided to start with getting a Access Port Tuner. I've narrowed it down to the Cobb or Rallitek. They are pretty much the same unit not sure if it really makes a difference. What do you guys think?
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:22 PM   #2
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openecu ftw!

if you need some help flashing\data logging hit me up. I'll help ya out
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:28 PM   #3
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ok.... so I'm waaay new what do mean by openecu?
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:32 PM   #4
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The cable costs about 100 bucks after shipping, the tuning ranges from free, to 300 some odd dollars.

There is an openecu community where people share their maps (the free ones). I've been running a free map for half a year and I'm in love.. I've made my own changes to the map, and its A LOT faster than the cobb stage 2, way better gas mileage, barely any knock. If you'd like I can show it to ya sometime.. I dont have my car up here but I can show you the programs, how they work, and I can even plug your car in and show you the data logging and live data displays.. its pretty neat stuff! There are absolutely no limitations on tuning with openecu.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:34 PM   #5
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Dude that would be waaay cool, I'd love to get the info especially hands on.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:50 PM   #6
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personally, i prefer the AP with protuners whom I can easily call with questions or be sent corrected maps. after having some bad maps that don't make my car run in Jan, I'll pay more to have someone who does know what they're doing, do it.

for newbs, i really wouldn't recommend doing an open system, but that's just me. *shrug* your car.

as for rallitek and cobb, an accessport is made by Cobb. Rallitek is a reseller for Cobb, just like PDX Tuning, Conti, etc. You can pick up an AP from just about any vendor, but the maps that come off the shelf from Cobb may be improved by a tuning outfit such as Rallitek, PDX Tuning, etc.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:54 PM   #7
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You can get maps from PDX and upload them with openecu as well, im sure rallitek could prolly do it too.

If you wanna check it out man, PM me.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:01 PM   #8
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also, check into the ecutek system. if you haven't already, check out legacygt.com forums as there is a lot of info regarding engine management.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:25 PM   #9
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Sounds like more reading for me... Woo Hoo! Maybe I should spring for both options that way if somthing goes south I can use the Cobb A/P to reflash to the factory settings....
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:29 PM   #10
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Since I'm already talking about upgrades here.... Am I making the right choice to do the ECU remap first then?
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:33 PM   #11
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You can flash your stock map back on the car any time you please with openecu.

Yeah, getting rid of Subaru's pig rich tune, is always great haha
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:48 PM   #12
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Oic.... hmmm sounds good to me
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:04 PM   #13
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well, doing ECM first is always a great choice. once you start adding more and more things to the car, you really need to have a good ECM in place so you don't mess up things. not that you can't with ECM, but it's safer and less likely.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:12 PM   #14
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, barely any knock..

The ultimate goal is to not have any knock whatsoever. Knock = cooked cylinders and pistons = very bad. even the slightest knock is detrimental to the health of your engine.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:18 PM   #15
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The ultimate goal is to not have any knock whatsoever. Knock = cooked cylinders and pistons = very bad. even the slightest knock is detrimental to the health of your engine.

guess i should have gone in to more detail..

cars knock sometimes (bad fuel).
Even so, my car rarely knocks, even when my ex accidently put 87 octane in it lol granted i went and put a few gallons of racing fuel in to even it out the next day, i showed a very small instances of knock in that situation (before the race gas)
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Word... So it sounds like I'll drop the $695 here in the next month or so for the Cobb A/P and I may play around with some open ECU tuning. I'm just hoping for a little more throttle response, and no more 136mph top out speed, HEHE....
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:26 PM   #17
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Ah gotcha. Does the openECU thing have timing control?
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How safe is Reflashing on the fly?
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most people know i love to tinker. however, when it comes to ECM, that's one thing i will leave to the pros. i have too much invested into my car to go screwing around and blowing it up because it's running too rich or too lean, or whatever. it's worth the money to have someone like Jarrad tune the car right and get the best results.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:31 PM   #20
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true, but im searching for a "reason" to do a crower 2.5 swap... hahaha so im calling it learning time assosiated with searching for a reason haha so far the search has lead me no where, but the learning has led me pretty far.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:31 PM   #21
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Ah gotcha. Does the openECU thing have timing control?
yeah it does.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:32 PM   #22
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Word... So it sounds like I'll drop the $695 here in the next month or so for the Cobb A/P and I may play around with some open ECU tuning. I'm just hoping for a little more throttle response, and no more 136mph top out speed, HEHE....

you cant use a accessport AND openecu at the same time..
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:49 PM   #23
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Great now I have to make a decision.... This car is my baby (actually more like my wife... long story) So I may play it safe and drop the $$$ on the Cobb. Thanks for the info though
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:54 PM   #24
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Well if you wanna take a look at it, let me know. I can get you a whole handful of ppl that love XPT and PDX tunes more than cobb, and they are still safe. If you need a log, ill do it for ya. You can even use my cable for now to tune. as i said, pm me if interested.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:40 PM   #25
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um, not sure that either even work on the si drive yet.





btw...telling a newb to tune his own car is like giving your child a loaded gun...
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