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Old 01-31-2001, 07:25 PM   #1
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after looking in the yellow pages for a few minutes i finally found a midus muffler shop about 45 min drive away.i went there today to see what they had for exausts. well anyways to the point. its going to cost $366 canadian to get a complete custom exaust done. including a 2.25" alluminum mid pipe and a ravin muffler with a chrome tip. go here to see the muffler http://www.goravin.com/home.html
i was wondering have anyone got their exaust
done by midus? how qood is their work? do you guys think its worth a try? or do you think they don't know anything about exausts and screw up my car? it seems alot cheaper than ordering a jc sports exaust.

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Old 01-31-2001, 08:07 PM   #2
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Roland - getting it done @ any local muffler shop won't yield the results you want. IIRC, there are NO places in Alberta that have mandrel benders... if you want a true custom system to be done right, it'll cost over $1500CDN (quote from Guyon Racing here in Calgary) This would be full stainless steel. Going aluminized piping won't be a smart choice for you b/c it'll rust out so fast.
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Old 01-31-2001, 08:25 PM   #3
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GTBGUY is right, when i got my muffler installed along w/ my custom midpipe @ KARMAC in edmonton, there were no places in alberta that could fabricate a mandrel bend pipe. The owner was looking at buying a mandrel bend machine, but the cost was waaaay to high. I can't remember the figure but when i heard it it wasn't worth it.

As for going to Midas, i have no clue how good their work is. But ur price is a lot more cheaper then mine. Around 200 or so.

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PS, i have a Brullen dual tip, w/ a stainless steal pipe. U have to go stainless steel cause we got so much crap on our roads, if u don't, it'll rust through fast.
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Old 01-31-2001, 09:51 PM   #4
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How much are you willing to spend? A few cheaper options than the JC Sports exhaust include the Stromung. A lot of people seem to like them. Larry Ganz at imprezars.com has an N1 clone. Check around the message boards. Someone is selling a new Stromung for around $330US = $500. Expect to pay $550 or so I would think ...

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Old 01-31-2001, 10:10 PM   #5
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There are no "public" use mandrel benders in Alberta. The closest one that I know of is in Vancouver.

There are however mandrel benders in Calgary, but I doubt they will allow you to use them (they are used for gas and oil pipelines).

Anyways, these guys are right. A small mandrel bender (for making exhaust) is in excess of $150,000. Not many places can afford this.

If you need a mandrel bent exhaust, best to buy a catback setup. Apex makes ones for around $900 CDN. If you don't care about not having it mandrel bent (won't make a huge difference, especially on a N/A car), get it done cheap at the local muffler shop.
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Old 01-31-2001, 10:34 PM   #6
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Really? There's a mandrel bend machine in Vancouver? Last I checked there WASN'T. Hmm..

But yea, there are quite a few catback systems out on the market. If you want to do a custom one you can, but it might cost you a bit more. Just get a universal muffler, and find an experienced shop to weld individual pieces of pipe together to make a straight system. I've seen George at Technik (the guy who welds everything for Minnam's turbos) do a midpipe for a friend. On our Impreza, you can basically get away with a STRAIGHT pipe, no need for any bends.
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Old 01-31-2001, 11:02 PM   #7
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i was thinking about jc sports exaust still don't know kind of thinking about gettimg my midpipe done there. the price doesn't seem bad. still its better than stock. my stock midpipe is rusted to crap aready. only after 6 months. are you guys saying i should order a bolt on cat back and put it on myself?
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Old 02-01-2001, 12:01 AM   #8
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Roland - getting a bolt-on catback would be the easiest way of going about the matter. All you really need are 2 jackstands as well as 2 ramps. Unbolt the spring bolts (2) behind the cats, undo the bolt holding a hanger in the middle of the mid-pipe, and then unbolt the muffler from the mid-pipe. (remember to do this when the exhaust is COLD!) it's pretty quick... if you have access to a lift, it'd be even faster!

I'd rather spend the extra money now and rest assured that I don't need to get another mid-pipe & muffler put in later.
Since you plan to go turbo down the line, it'd be a smart investment now.
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Old 02-01-2001, 12:53 AM   #9
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Agreed, getting a pre-fab system is the easiest way to go. Not to mention JC Sports Canada is in Calgary so~
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Old 02-01-2001, 06:52 AM   #10
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should i just get a good muffler for now since i plan to go turbo in the future?
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Old 02-01-2001, 08:46 AM   #11
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Roland - buying a bolt-on muffler would probably be more expensive in the long run, since later when you go turbo, you'll want to upgrade your stock mid-pipe, hence it would be better getting it done at once.... saves time and money down the road.
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Old 02-01-2001, 09:02 AM   #12
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Not really.

Since you're probably after just looks right now, get a rear section bolt on muffler. Something like the Stromung or get your muffler shop to make you one. A catback exhaust on a NA impreza is sort of a waste. There aren't really any noticable gains from replacing your exhaust.

And when the time comes to turbo, you need to replace the midpipe anyways (and probably the muffler as well). Turbo/NA exhaust configurations are not compatible.

You'll probably want a 3" catback when you go turbo. You don't want anything more than 2.5" N/A (woulnt even recommend going beyond 2.25"). You start loosing torque at anything larger than that.
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Old 02-01-2001, 03:29 PM   #13
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Tulit - if you spend $XXX amount of dollars now just for a "bolt-on" rear section, you won't be able to use that for the turbo (at least not recommeded). Going w/ a full cat-back will save you money b/c you install it and forget about it. But since the SOHC phase 2 engines are tuned more for low end, you won't notice the minute loss in low end, since your car will rev easier w/ the exhaust.
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Old 02-01-2001, 04:59 PM   #14
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in the future i'm going to running a a 5 psi turbo. i wanted to get a cheap custom exaust done but to come to think of it. what a waste of money since i'm going turbo in about 2 years. but still thats 2 years. long time to go. i was thinking about just getting a muffler that i still can use when i go turbo but by the sounds of what jack is saying is it won't work. since our cars are tuned for lowend would it be ok to go 2.5 for the midpipe?
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Old 02-01-2001, 05:57 PM   #15
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FWIW, Orbiter is selling his Apex'i Dunk system for 650cad. Straight 2.5" piping, very nice.
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Old 02-01-2001, 07:50 PM   #16
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Hey guys, who says its going to rust out real fast???

All OEM cars have aluminized or galvanzied exhaust systems and they last 5+ years easily. IIRC, even the new WRX will likely have an aluminized exhaust system.

Going stainless is exceedingly expensive but the product is superior.

I myself have NO problem going with a non-stainless system for a NA car. However, you may want to consider stainless for a turbo car since the increased exhaust temps have been known to accelerate the corrosion process.
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Old 02-01-2001, 09:35 PM   #17
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Jack, your missing my point. If you put a turbo catback on a n/a car, its not fun. I ran a 2.75" midpipe for about a month and a half and ended up taking it off. Why? Because there was quite a noticable difference in lost low end, and very little noticable different in gained high end. I was happier with the stock one.

If you dont mind driving around like this for 2 years, then go ahead buy a turbo setup. But why? An exhaust costs like $300. Replace it in two years and its really not an issue. Whats $300 when you're spending $5,000-$10,000 on a turbo?
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Old 02-01-2001, 09:48 PM   #18
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Old 02-02-2001, 05:19 PM   #19
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I've got a stainless Stromung muffler (dual tip) and I love the way it sounds. I would highly recommend it to anyone who is in the market for a new muffler and is planning on staying N/A. Around mid month, I'm going to be ordering the Stromung mid-pipe from Cobb Tuning. Putting the muffler on was fairly simple (once we had the right tools, at any rate). It can be done pretty easily with the car on jack stands.
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Old 02-02-2001, 05:33 PM   #20
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Pretty easy at any rate? haha. You weren't the one under there smacking your knuckles on the bottom of the car.

Anyways, if you know someone who has air tools, use them. We ended up having to get someone to use airtools to get warrens muffler on. hehe
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Old 02-02-2001, 10:06 PM   #21
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Hi All,

I am a member of the Toronto Subaru Club. We have located a manufacturer in the Toronto Area (Markham) that custom makes exhaust systems. So far the've quoted $750.00 taxes included for a 2.25" resonated T304 stainless steel exhaust system. I've seen these guys in Sport Compact Car Mag...

Anyways, fyi, I am trying to get a group buy going. If anyone is interested, see: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~25rs/c...=2648&SID=1479

For the Brullen web site, see: http://www.brullenexhaust.com/welcome.htm

Hope this helps...
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