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Old 07-09-2007, 12:06 AM   #251
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It's so ugly...it looks like a focus. and with those cheap looking tail lights...they were going astray with my 2006 wrx wagon and the front grille but this looks just disgusting and with a smaller turbo? WHY? I think SOA will be alienating a huge customer base with this thing.

I guess I will have to buy a Forester Sport next or a mitsubishi even. So long impreza.
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Old 07-09-2007, 12:39 AM   #252
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>>>>We've always been at war with Oceania.>>>>

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Old 07-09-2007, 04:22 AM   #253
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I have to agree with the tragic loss of the rear LSD is that is in fact true. That is a disservice to the WRX. As for the Oceania, Orwell is alive and well....
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Old 07-09-2007, 06:33 AM   #254
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>>>>We've always been at war with Oceania.>>>>

5:1 nobody gets this....

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1984...but it's "we've always been at war with Eastasia"

edit: Random comment btw

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Old 07-10-2007, 11:26 AM   #255
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I'd only get a 2008 STI if they refine those flares up and if the grille is NOT chrome. However, I'm thinking that SOA must have a good reason for coverting to a full VDC without the rear LSD. Judging from the subaru technology site with the legacies with and without VDC - it might be a smart move.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:48 PM   #256
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The reason the LSD was removed is simple, it would work against VDC in a skid. If a car is understeering into a right hand turn the computer would attempt to apply right rear braking force - while the LSD is trying to eequalize the speed differential.

Theres no conspiracy, thats why most manufactures include some type of traction control when they put ESC on their cars.
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:04 PM   #257
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it stands for Automatic's are Crap Transmission.


real people drive manual. ^^
yeah...why would want an automatic in a "sports car" ? sort of defeats the entire idea behind being "in control"


so it seems Subaru has taken the Legacy GT engine outback tranny and stuffed it in the new WRX ??? ....
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:06 AM   #258
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yeah...why would want an automatic in a "sports car" ? sort of defeats the entire idea behind being "in control"


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Depends what you mean by 'in control'. The manuals allow for you to be in more control of your gearing (obviously) and your speed, but the VTD (Variable torque distribution) on the automatic is superior.

No one is disputing a manual to be 'faster', but in terms of torque distribution, the Subaru 4eat actually isn't too bad if you want an auto. Here it is straight from the 4eat basic information page:

"The 4EAT is also equipped with the VTD (Variable Torque Distribution) AWD system. This AWD system adjusts power to wheels depending on driving conditions, making it more technically advanced than the AWD system used in manual-equipped vehicles. The normal driving split is 45% to the front wheels and 55% to the rear wheels."

It is a trade off that results in most still preferring the manual, but the 4eat for the older Subarus isn't too bad, I am not sure how they are in the new 08s though.

*But back to topic.* Someone should just post a poll on whether or not people like the new 08s: yes, no, maybe in time, have to hear more info, whatnot. Oh well maybe the new 08 will grow on people.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:02 PM   #259
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Oh well maybe the new 08 will grow on people.
I bet Zerosports, Bomex, Cusco, etc. are trying to figure out how to fix the new Impreza right now. Lots of head scratching, I'd imagine.
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:43 PM   #260
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I bet Zerosports, Bomex, Cusco, etc. are trying to figure out how to fix the new Impreza right now. Lots of head scratching, I'd imagine.
You are probably right. They are probably hard at work, but also pondering aloud, "Damn it man, even the civic si has a LSD."

No, I am sure the engineers did their work, but you are probably right; After hearing things like "no lsd, plastic intake manifold, smaller intercooler with plastic housing to hold it, oh and the new design" I am sure it will have those aftermarket companies you listed working some long nights.

I am sure the engineering is sound, as the WRX will probably perform well and most, if not all of its competition, (especially at its price,) but it just doesn't seem like it is built as agressively as it has been in years past, (internal parts, and in terms of exterior design).

Hopefully it will catch on like the 06-07s did. That is what happens when you are bold and take a new risk. Sometimes it works out, and others, not so much. So while we will have to wait and see what is in store and how the 08s will be received, personally I am sure they will do well, and I am glad I have my 06. IMO, the 08s make the 06-07's exterior design, and internal parts look scholarly to be that strong, dependable, and light. Maybe Subaru is simply trying to save money (building costs) and save weight (plastic parts). But knowing their reputation, I am sure it will be sound engeering. Again, IMO, the 08s sound be good, but from the sounds of things, unless the influx of plastic parts and smaller intercooler are to save weight, they make the 06s look amost stronger in design (i.e. lsd, metal intake manifold, easily swappable intercooler space for STI intercoolers or larger, etc.)

Again, oh well. They should hold up well and people will probably love them. Time will tell.
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:52 AM   #261
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So why is it that a plastic intake manifold and plastic intercooler etc. is ok on an LGT, but not on the new WRX since this is essentialy a Legacy engine with a smaller turbo? I am just curious. I don't see anyone kicking up any dust over the Legacy engine bay.
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:03 AM   #262
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So why is it that a plastic intake manifold and plastic intercooler etc. is ok on an LGT, but not on the new WRX since this is essentialy a Legacy engine with a smaller turbo? I am just curious. I don't see anyone kicking up any dust over the Legacy engine bay.
Most, (not all) of the people on these boards are fixing up WRX/STI's, not Leggy's. I'll bet the guys complaining are not the latter.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:23 AM   #263
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I used to own an '06 LGT and I saw no complaints (on LegacyGT.com) about the plastic intake manifold ... I had no complaints either. I got rid of my car for lack of cargo room + the price (got PWN3D...... damn RK) I like the new WRX and I'll be getting one soon.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:30 AM   #264
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...oh yeah and to solve the plastic intercooler thing, Perrin and AVO Turboworld make stock fit replacement/upgrade intercoolers for the Legacy GT... (not guaranteed.... but) they should fit in the new WRX....also AVO makes upgrade turbo kits that already have that funky turbo-to-intercooler flange on them. Ultimately, it still all boils down to having to wait and see what happens after the new Imprezas have been out for a while .

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Old 07-12-2007, 05:39 PM   #265
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OMG
i cannot believe the noobs going on about the TD04

the first TD04 was on a wrx wagon/auto wrx in ~1993 and it had a different compressor housing than the one pictured above.. it has the upturned inlet

when you order 150,000 i am sure Mitsubishi will be willing to change the casting on the compressor
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:00 AM   #266
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i cannot believe the noobs going on about the TD04

the first TD04 was on a wrx wagon/auto wrx in ~1993 and it had a different compressor housing than the one pictured above.. it has the upturned inlet

when you order 150,000 i am sure Mitsubishi will be willing to change the casting on the compressor
dood dont u know..the td04 is for boost newblets..and plastic intake manifolds melt under uber-bewst!

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Old 07-13-2007, 02:07 PM   #267
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Is a Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 flat-4 with a Mitsubishi TD04 turbo in the 08 Impreza better than the 2.0 turbo?
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:01 PM   #268
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Is a Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 flat-4 with a Mitsubishi TD04 turbo in the 08 Impreza better than the 2.0 turbo?
Unless you put a substantial turbo on the 2.0, the 2.5 will always be better...Remember..."There's no replacement for displacement."
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:17 AM   #269
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1. The WRX doesn't get a rear LSD because it would fight the stability control and make the car handle poorly.
2. The STi does get a rear LSD, and stabilty control. It handles better than the WRX.

?! What did I get wrong here? I must have missed something.

Also, does anybody have a clue if the stability control program will vary torque side-to-side. What do you think the limits on that are? I'm hoping for some really good Scoobynuts this winter.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:57 PM   #270
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I'm hoping for some really good Scoobynuts this winter.
But your not buying a Subaru remember? Maybe you will be doing little Miata nuts.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:49 PM   #271
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To boost the sales, Subaru will introduce its first four-cylinder boxer diesel engine soon after the impreza arrives in 2008. Subaru's new partner Toyota, will assist in developing more fuel-efficient engines.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:06 AM   #272
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But your not buying a Subaru remember? Maybe you will be doing little Miata nuts.
Silly rabbit, Miatas don't have nuts.

Miatas don't have (real) hardtops either, so no Miata for me.

My MR2 no longer has any HVAC equipment, so I won't be spinnin' the 275/40-17 Falken RT-615s in the snow. Brrr. Too cold. (BTW, it only takes .00001 horsepower to spin those on ice).

I already have a WRX. Why would I need to buy another one?
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:40 AM   #273
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i cannot believe the noobs going on about the TD04

the first TD04 was on a wrx wagon/auto wrx in ~1993 and it had a different compressor housing than the one pictured above.. it has the upturned inlet

when you order 150,000 i am sure Mitsubishi will be willing to change the casting on the compressor
Uhhhh.. no.

On the EJ20G, to be clear, the vast majority shipped with the VF10, VF22 and TD05-16g. The TD04 on the EJ20G was not the same TD04-13G we use today (I think it was the TD04H -- different model). The EJ20K came with an entirely different IHI VF23. The JDM EJ207 shipped with the VF30. And if I'm not mistaken the first time the TD04-13g was ever seen, it was on a EJ205.

Other manufactures use the TD04-13g, so if Subaru did request that MHI cast a new compressor housing (unlikely), then MHI would give it a designation other than TD04 as that really only relates to the housing design. The 13g part refers to the turbine type and size.

Not to mention that whats on the 08 looks like an IHI turbo.

So yeah, if you got anymore evidence of you superior knowledge of turbo design by all means...share. OR you can just go around calling people nubs and furiously typing OMG!1!1!@#!@ every time I post.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:53 AM   #274
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1. The WRX doesn't get a rear LSD because it would fight the stability control and make the car handle poorly.
2. The STi does get a rear LSD, and stabilty control. It handles better than the WRX.

?! What did I get wrong here? I must have missed something.

Also, does anybody have a clue if the stability control program will vary torque side-to-side. What do you think the limits on that are? I'm hoping for some really good Scoobynuts this winter.
Stability control doesn't make cars handle better, it prevents overstreer and understeer. In fact VDC makes cars feel sluggish. If the STi does come with these things (I don't think so but you may have heard different) it will probably be a sport version with different logic.

As far as side-to-side torque, thats more a function of traction control. I don't think VDC is a type of traction control system. Nonetheless, if it is, it's a poor substitute for an LSD. Brake based electronic torque "shifting" robs the car of half it's ability to put torque to the ground. Because differentials always split torque 50/50, the wheel that is braked will dissipate it's energy as heat rather than kinetic energy. I've really only seen this kind of system on SUVs because it relatively slow acting, and SUV drivers (in theory) drive slower than cars so they can take advantage of this system.
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Uhhhh.. no.

On the EJ20G, to be clear, the vast majority shipped with the VF10, VF22 and TD05-16g. The TD04 on the EJ20G was not the same TD04-13G we use today (I think it was the TD04H -- different model). The EJ20K came with an entirely different IHI VF23. The JDM EJ207 shipped with the VF30. And if I'm not mistaken the first time the TD04-13g was ever seen, it was on a EJ205.

Other manufactures use the TD04-13g, so if Subaru did request that MHI cast a new compressor housing (unlikely), then MHI would give it a designation other than TD04 as that really only relates to the housing design. The 13g part refers to the turbine type and size.

Not to mention that whats on the 08 looks like an IHI turbo.

So yeah, if you got anymore evidence of you superior knowledge of turbo design by all means...share. OR you can just go around calling people nubs and furiously typing OMG!1!1!@#!@ every time I post.
I still don't understand why it is so hard to believe that Subaru ordered a TD04 with a different compressor cover. It is a sand-casted piece, not terribly expensive to do. In fact, car companies make new specific parts and tools all the time, even from model year to model year without drastic overall changes made the car. So now that we are talking about a completely different car altogether, it is not out of the question that Subaru decided to spec a new turbo for the new car.
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