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Old 06-27-2007, 12:02 PM   #101
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This is what I have on trunk dimensions:

Cargo volume, 5-door (seats up) 19.0 cubic feet.
Cargo width between wheel housings, 5-door: 42.0 inches.
Max load floor length, 5-door: (seats up) 31.7 inches, (seats down) 60.1 inches.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:11 PM   #102
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This is what I have on trunk dimensions:

Cargo volume, 5-door (seats up) 19.0 cubic feet.
Cargo width between wheel housings, 5-door: 42.0 inches.
Max load floor length, 5-door: (seats up) 31.7 inches, (seats down) 60.1 inches.
hmmm...the current wagon has 27.9 cubic feet (seats up) and 61.6 seats down.

Just went out and measured my 02 wagon:

36 inches wide between the rear strut towers. So 6 more inches in the '08.

36 inches max load floor length seats up. So just over 5 inches less in the '08.

58 inches max load floor length seats down. So just over 3 inches more in the '08.

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Old 06-27-2007, 01:06 PM   #103
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i would prefer the rear LSD because i do heavy winter driving in the snow.. subarus should be good at that. thats one of the reasons they are so popular up here in the NE. can vsd really make up for that
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:14 PM   #104
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With all these "cost savings" features the MSRP should be $21k for this thing.
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:35 PM   #105
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can VDC really make up for that
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:57 PM   #106
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Ok so VDC does transfer torque from side to side? It doesn't just brake the spinning wheel and reduce torque?

If it does transfer torque to anywhere, it is even better than front + rear + center LSD.

I have VDC and rear LSD on my current Outback and it is GREAT. Would it be as great without the rear LSD? Why on earth would they then put it in my car in the first place?
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:12 PM   #107
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This is what I have on trunk dimensions:

Cargo volume, 5-door (seats up) 19.0 cubic feet.
Cargo width between wheel housings, 5-door: 42.0 inches.
Max load floor length, 5-door: (seats up) 31.7 inches, (seats down) 60.1 inches.
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hmmm...the current wagon has 27.9 cubic feet (seats up) and 61.6 seats down.

Just went out and measured my 02 wagon:

36 inches wide between the rear strut towers. So 6 more inches in the '08.

36 inches max load floor length seats up. So just over 5 inches less in the '08.

58 inches max load floor length seats down. So just over 3 inches more in the '08.
The '08 loses 9 cubic feet of cargo space compared to the previous 5-door Impreza?
No wonder they've been so unforthcoming on numbers...

That's almost like losing the entire capacity of an '07 WRX sedan trunk.
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:47 PM   #108
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I would get reverify the TD04 claim before you go to print. It just doesn't look like a TD04.

From this picture you can see the flange that bolts up to the intercooler uses the same 2 bolt pattern as on the IHI VF40. Also, the flange is in the same position relative to the turbo housing as a VF40. If you look even closer, you can see the brass tube that surrounds the neck of the VF40.

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VF39 left - VF40 right


This rules out a few possibilities. This turbo is not simply a reorientation of the "classic" MHI TD04 (if that were even possible) nor is it the same housing type.


The assumption now is that the TD04 is retooled to fit like a VF40. Not plausible for a few reasons, first the designation would not remain TD04. It would change to reflect the change in housing shape and size - otherwise the manufacturer would be running around with 2 different turbos under the same name which would be silly.

Second, even if it were retooled, it would be in such a way that the flange is not exactly the same as a VF40 (right down to fit and finish). It's indisputable that Mitsubishi heavy industries has different tooling equipment than IHI America.

Finally I'm almost positive that Subaru does not have so much clout to make MHI make a new turbo when they could go to IHI which already makes turbos in that style.

Conclusion: 90% chance the 2008 WRX is not housing a TD04. 33% chance its a VF40. 23% It's something entirely new. 33% its a VF46.

If anyone is willing to just climb in the engine bay with a flashlight and look at whats written on the turbo it will tell you, plain as day, what it is.
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:55 PM   #109
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The '08 loses 9 cubic feet of cargo space compared to the previous 5-door Impreza?
No wonder they've been so unforthcoming on numbers...

That's almost like losing the entire capacity of an '07 WRX sedan trunk.
Yea, not too thrilled about that. Hopefully part of that is the top angle of the hatch which wasn't very useful anyway. looks like we will gain a little when both seats are down and hauling lots of gear. The tricky part will be when I am traveling with my two kids and have less room in the back with the seats up.
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:57 PM   #110
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I think the addition of VDC is going to be good for this car, hopefully the crash rates will decrease, thus lowering the insurance costs for the 08 model. Although I am not sure how well the VDC system will work without the LSD in the rear. My mom has a 3.0R wagon with VDC, I am really impressed how that thing handles on the occasional freeway on ramp.
The ONLY vehicle with VDC, that comes with a rear Limited slip differential is the Legacy GT Spec-B. In fact that is the only vehicle till date, that came with a stick-shift and VDC.

All other vehicles with VDC, automatically have the rear LSD deleted. This includes the Outback VDC and all other models equipped with VDC, including your mom's 3.0R wagon, which comes with an open rear diff.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:00 PM   #111
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This is what I have on trunk dimensions:

Cargo volume, 5-door (seats up) 19.0 cubic feet.
Cargo width between wheel housings, 5-door: 42.0 inches.
Max load floor length, 5-door: (seats up) 31.7 inches, (seats down) 60.1 inches.
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hmmm...the current wagon has 27.9 cubic feet (seats up) and 61.6 seats down.

Just went out and measured my 02 wagon:

36 inches wide between the rear strut towers. So 6 more inches in the '08.

36 inches max load floor length seats up. So just over 5 inches less in the '08.

58 inches max load floor length seats down. So just over 3 inches more in the '08.
That doesn't sound right. You cant loose almost 10 cubic feet from just an adjustment of a few inches. Especially when the new WRX roof line is higher and the body wider.

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Old 06-27-2007, 03:04 PM   #112
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The ONLY vehicle with VDC, that comes with a rear Limited slip differential is the Legacy GT Spec-B. In fact that is the only vehicle till date, that came with a stick-shift and VDC.

All other vehicles with VDC, automatically have the rear LSD deleted. This includes the Outback VDC and all other models equipped with VDC, including your mom's 3.0R wagon, which comes with an open rear diff.
That might be true for US built models, but i have a Japan built 2006 Subaru Outback with 4EAT tranny and VDC and rear LSD.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:05 PM   #113
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Ok so VDC does transfer torque from side to side? It doesn't just brake the spinning wheel and reduce torque?
Most modern traction control systems brake the spinning wheel to transfer power. Open differentials always split torque 50/50.

The only one I can think of that doesn't is SH-AWD, and that uses a complex set of clutches to move power around.

Also VDC would work better without the rear LSD because wheel speed differences are easier to detect and the system, consequently, would be faster to react.
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Most modern traction control systems brake the spinning wheel to transfer power. Open differentials always split torque 50/50.

The only one I can think of that doesn't is SH-AWD, and that uses a complex set of clutches to move power around.

But then how is it that the set up like Volvo XC has (among many others) is so crappy? When i compared my Outback with an brand new Volvo XC70 the Volvo was stuck, didn't make it up the hill (with snow and ice) and my Outback didn't bother at all, it just could go anywhere. Same ground-clearance, tires, etc.
The Volvo has open diffs and electronic traction control which brakes the spinning wheel.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:11 PM   #116
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Sure am glad I got an 07 Ltd Wgn. The new ride redefines phugly. Looks like a Hyundai knock-off of a MazdaSpeed 3.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:11 PM   #117
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That doesn't sound right. You cant loose almost 10 cubic feet from just an adjustment of a few inches. Especially when the new WRX roof line is higher and the body higher.
Well, those measurements were at the floor, and maybe the '08's seatbacks and walls taper up at angles that limit measurable cargo space compared to the old wagons?
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:18 PM   #118
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But then how is it that the set up like Volvo XC has (among many others) is so crappy? When i compared my Outback with an brand new Volvo XC70 the Volvo was stuck, didn't make it up the hill (with snow and ice) and my Outback didn't bother at all, it just could go anywhere. Same ground-clearance, tires, etc.
The Volvo has open diffs and electronic traction control which brakes the spinning wheel.
A few reasons. The XC70 is way heavier, it's RWD biased (not symmetrical AWD), and electronic traction control systems reduce the usable torque nearly in half (because of the properties of open differentials).
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:21 PM   #119
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Well, those measurements were at the floor, and maybe the '08's seatbacks and walls taper up at angles that limit measurable cargo space compared to the old wagons?
Note that capacity is with *the seats up*. And, since the seats are further back, it stands to reason that the capacity in that configuration would be less and has no bearing on the overall capacity which is undoubtedly greater.

Logic. It's what's for dinner.
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I have VDC and rear LSD on my current Outback and it is GREAT. Would it be as great without the rear LSD? Why on earth would they then put it in my car in the first place?
I doubt the VDC Outback has the rear LSD. The VDC deletes the rear LSD and the ones with rear LSD, like the 07 Legacy GT, don't have the VDC.
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Note that capacity is with *the seats up*. And, since the seats are further back, it stands to reason that the capacity in that configuration would be less and has no bearing on the overall capacity which is undoubtedly greater.

Logic. It's what's for dinner.
Note that having two kids, and their required seating/safety equipment, pretty much dictates that your 5-door spends the vast bulk of its existence in the seats-up mode.

The increase in cabin room is welcome, but the decrease in every-day useable cargo space sucks rocks.

Logic. It's what's for dinner ... unless you have children.
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Note that capacity is with *the seats up*. And, since the seats are further back, it stands to reason that the capacity in that configuration would be less and has no bearing on the overall capacity which is undoubtedly greater.

Logic. It's what's for dinner.
Yea, with seats down there is more room. When seats are up its a differenty story. As has been stated elsewhere the rear seat have been pushed back 3 inches and the total outside length of the hatch is just under 2 inches shorter. That seems to add up with the new numbers. Also the angle of the '08 hatch looks more severe then the wagon so you probably lose a few cubic feet there. In reality you have to be blocking up the rear window to be losing that space. That seems to happen with me only on full family camping trips.
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Yea, with seats down there is more room. When seats are up its a differenty story. As has been stated elsewhere the rear seat have been pushed back 3 inches and the total outside length of the hatch is just under 2 inches shorter. That seems to add up with the new numbers. Also the angle of the '08 hatch looks more severe then the wagon so you probably lose a few cubic feet there. In reality you have to be blocking up the rear window to be losing that space. That seems to happen with me only on full family camping trips.
It'd be nice to see the "volume under the lid/retractable cover" numbers.
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