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Old 06-30-2007, 12:37 AM   #1
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Alright, so here is the WHOLE story. As many of you know, the black STi is up for sale. a few weeks ago I started receiving messages from one William Gale. The messages are as follows:

June 2-

Aloha to you,
Am interested in buying your vehicle,please why are you selling this vehicle,and get back if the vehicle is still available.

Mahalo,
William.

June 4 –


Aloha Jamie,
Thanks for the email response.Actually I am making this purchase for my in-law who is presently preparing to leave the country on a National assignment trip to Brussels.He happened to budget for a car last time and unfortunately it was sold out.Right now he will not been here to make this purchase the second time as he is going out of the country.Now I am looking up to working with you hoping that you won't let me down either now or in future. He should be the one making this enquiry but he will be travelling to Brussels on a business trip and he left instructions for me. I will be making arrangement with an agent for test drive also he will be the one to handle shipment and pick-up of the vehicle.I am only helping him out as this vehicle will be needed by the family for an upcoming event.I am managing my father's oil company in United Kingdom though I reside in US.
Please I have some questions to ask:
1) Has the vehicle ever been involved in any form of auto accident?
2) Do you have the title papers?
3) How often do you change engine oil?
4) Why are you selling the vehicle?
5) What is the bottom dollar price for this vehicle?
6) Whats the vehicle's VIn Number?
7) Which other sites/magazine do you have this vehicle listed?
I will be looking forward to your response as soon as possible.
Mahalo,
William.

June 5 –

Aloha Jamie, Thanks for you email, I have forwarded your vehicle information to my In-law and after evaluation and due to time constraint on the fact that we are running short of time. I'm delighted to tell you that my In-law has recommended your vehicle, with full interest and he has instructed me to carry on with his transaction. He also instructed me to inform you that payment will get to you in a cashier check of $30,500 which is a refund payment of a cancelled order earlier made by my client. Due to company policy this check has to be made out in this amount to you, because company policy only allows a refund payment on one cashier cheque. So you are required to deduct the cost of your vehicle (car) $25,400 when payment gets to you and refund balance $5,100 to the Agent (our shipper) for him to be able to offset shipping & tax charges, and other cosmetic repair costs. After payment has reached you and balance sent to shipper, the shipper's agent will come for inspection, pick up (of vehicle & signing of title papers), make some cosmetic touches and drive to a prepaid shipper to be shipped to my customer. Please confirm this and forward the following information's; Names:Address:Phone number:For payment to be made and send to you as soon as possible. Your honesty, understanding and co-operation will behighlyappreciated. Regards, Here is my Inlaw's Informations that will be used on the Title:Name: Nikolay Stoyanov Address: Address:105 Snowcap RoadBrampton, Ontario L6R 1J2, Canada Occupation:Canadian Naval Air Member.My Info:Mr Kale William Address:34 twin hill road,Austell GA.30160.Phone:+447011146339 my UK# where am currently now MahaloWilliam

June 6-


Hello,

Please resend your full information and the zip code and i will have payment sent to you asap, and also remove the vehicle off the maket
Thanks
Mr.William



June 9 –

Hello,
The check has been enrouted and will get to you in less than 6 working days from today ,you should kindly excercise patience in this transaction and we are giving you every of our attention and sincerity to make sure that this transaction goes on swiftly and smoothly so that we will all smile at the end of the day.,get back to me for further instruction as soon as the check is recieved.
Thanks for everything

After this, it was a bunch of " It will get there soon" and such. Today I received the check! Can anyone spot whats fishy?





Heres what I got:

1. No return address (always a big tipoff)
2. Out of country stamp
3. He is in a hurry, wants it done fast (so I do not think about the transaction)
4. 4 Different names total: William Gale, Richard Smith, +2 more authorizing signatures(which I cant read for crap)
5. Why not cash himself in the first place?


Im sure there are more reasons, but hell...One is enough to back out of a deal. What you guys think?
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:44 AM   #2
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send him this:
1) Has the vehicle ever been involved in any form of auto accident?
yes i mean no
2) Do you have the title papers?
actually the car technically isn't mine, its a cousin of mine who is out of the country on a national assignment trip to south africa
3) How often do you change engine oil?
its still got the original oil in it
4) Why are you selling the vehicle?
my cousin needs to sell it because he has some issues with the IRS
5) What is the bottom dollar price for this vehicle?
$35,000
6) Whats the vehicle's VIn Number?
42 or better yet find the VIN for a vehicle thats totally not a wrx or go to a junk yard and get a vin from there
7) Which other sites/magazine do you have this vehicle listed?
autotrader, ebay, craig's list
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:45 AM   #3
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anything from the UK is the #1 tip off! and he's emailing you, not calling you in the first place, sight unseen, etc. SCAM for sure. used to deal with this when i was doing merchant services.. but they'd pay by a cc instead of a fake cashier's check drawn off kited funds.
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:07 AM   #4
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Jay, did you talk to the JAG yet? Do like you said. Wait two weeks for the money to ACTUALLY fully clear your bank. My Scam meter is about 64% right now. Keep us posted. I pray that you dont get screwed. go to the JAG office first thing monday!
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:16 AM   #5
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This sounds totally legit!

The guy must have changed his name, because the envelope looks identical to the one Mr. Rick Bryan sent me to "buy" my WRX back when I had it for sale. You got a better fake check though. Mine was really pathetic.

Total scam, through and through. Ask the guy how he likes Nigeria, then tell him to go **** himself. Oh, and thank him for all his oil.
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:27 AM   #6
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I say try to cash it out and keep the car.
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:27 AM   #7
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Jay, did you talk to the JAG yet? Do like you said. Wait two weeks for the money to ACTUALLY fully clear your bank. My Scam meter is about 64% right now. Keep us posted. I pray that you dont get screwed. go to the JAG office first thing monday!
umm sounds like your scam meter needs to be sent into pmel to be recalibrated...mine is pegged right now. i wouldn't even bother, maybe just forward the check to the FBI

if you get bored you can try calling the bank

http://www.mfbank.com/a_locations.htm
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:28 AM   #8
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Yeah, quite fishy.

Why is a check coming from the UK coming from Mississippi?
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:58 AM   #9
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I say cash it and buy everyone DQ blizzards..yay, blizzards for everyone!!
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:53 AM   #10
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Lol then the check bounces, but we still got free blizzards. I have a check still that I think is fake and I have done nothing with. It would be nice if it was real, a 3,500 dollar check could buy me a few parts and a new phone.
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:15 AM   #11
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I say cash it and buy everyone DQ blizzards..yay, blizzards for everyone!!
nah, i'll pass...dont feel like waiting for an hour again...
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:18 PM   #12
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Man, I wish I was selling a car so this **** would happen to me...
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:22 PM   #13
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Jay, did you talk to the JAG yet? Do like you said. Wait two weeks for the money to ACTUALLY fully clear your bank. My Scam meter is about 64% right now. Keep us posted. I pray that you dont get screwed. go to the JAG office first thing monday!
it won't matter. if the check comes back on your account, regardless of when or how long, they will take the money from you.

this is a complete scam. do not be an idiot and fall for it! sheesh!!!!
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:01 PM   #14
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the same thing happened to my friend dealing with people and being out of the country.someone sent a cashiers check for more than the amount of what was being sold. ended up being that the check was fake and there was no way he could get the money back that he sent. DO NOT DO IT.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:12 PM   #15
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don't even do it Jay, i used to work at a bank and something like that happened to one of our members. i also can tell by looking at the check it's bull.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:17 PM   #16
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^^judging by the title of the thread i'm pretty sure jay has no intentions of cashing the check
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Old 07-01-2007, 04:33 AM   #17
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I went to DQ today went inside and it only took about 20 min if that. To be back on topic you know what to do with the check.
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Old 07-01-2007, 04:46 AM   #18
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ah hopefully the new is slowly wearing off of the DQ. if so we might have to stop in an try it out.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:17 AM   #19
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good luck jay. they're right dont cash the check.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:11 PM   #20
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I work at wells fargo bank, thats a tipical "nigirian fraud" scam. Or a Bermutal Triangle.

Person living in place a, sends check to person in place b, to cash and sent items back to place c.....

If you want, stop by the bank and talk with April Park at Northern Lights & Cst on Monday, tell her I sent you. She can look up the routing number on the check, perhaps even call the bank it was issued off.

Best thing to do if your not sure, DO NOT SPEND IT.
If you are bored, search the Routing Number to match it vs the bank name on the check. The routing number is inbetween : and : always 9 digits. From the image you have, it's too blury to see. Looks like they have the Check number, then the routing number, then the accounts number along the bottom.

ALso, look for different styles of text. Normally all text on a Cashiers check is going to be the same style. Are there any mis-spellings? Did they forget to capatalize the name of the business/bank/payee? All these are signs of forgery.

If it's a cashiers check, look up the bank name online, call that bank. DO NOT USE THE PHONE NUMBER ON THE CHECK as it could be fake.

ANyway, just my knowledge from seeing too many old ladies being scammed.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:21 PM   #21
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:27 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Jaylyons1 View Post
Heres what I got:

1. No return address (always a big tipoff)
2. Out of country stamp
3. He is in a hurry, wants it done fast (so I do not think about the transaction)
4. 4 Different names total: William Gale, Richard Smith, +2 more authorizing signatures(which I cant read for crap)
5. Why not cash himself in the first place?


Im sure there are more reasons, but hell...One is enough to back out of a deal. What you guys think?
It really took you that long to realize it was a scam?

have you been hiding under a rock for the last 10+ years?

wow


i have some land i want to sell you
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:35 PM   #23
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It really took you that long to realize it was a scam?

have you been hiding under a rock for the last 10+ years?

wow


i have some land i want to sell you

No hate.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:25 PM   #24
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It's a cashiers check though, it's not a check..... Basically the same as cash, so it wouldn't of been hard to verify that it was real or not.

Did you call M&F Bank to verify if it was real or not? You know if it is fake the FBI will want it so that they can track where it came from. You'd be surprised at how many people are caught each year.

Although it appears to be a cashiers check most cashiers checks don't look like that one. It appears that it's a check with cashiers check posted up at the top....

I wouldn't deal with out of country people unless you posted your car up on Ebay where you have some security there....

-Wes

P.S. Usually if it's a major company or someone with a lot of money, they always have two people sign for the check. The issuing bank keeps these people on record as far as I know of. They are both signers on the account. Usually two signatures are required if over $1000.00 or more. That'd be another way to check.

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Old 07-02-2007, 09:30 PM   #25
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Oh just go cash it already!!
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