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Old 07-09-2007, 08:18 PM   #1
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soooo i had a thread going on clubwrx, but since it's down , i'll try to get some help from some fresh faces
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Old 07-09-2007, 08:20 PM   #2
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something was mongo screwy with my maf
Code:
Time	AFR	 RPM	EGT	Timing	IDC	IAT	KC	MRP	MAF	WDC	mph	Load	WB02
Time	AFR	RPM	*F	*	%	*F	deg	psi	g/s	%	mph	RAM	AFR
0	11.83	2774	941	30.5	14.8	95	8	0.87	1.17	15.69	40	2.14	14.68
297	11.71	2900	950	28.5	16.7	95	8	2.47	1.17	21.96	40	2.34	12.22
578	11.48	3030	959	26	18.75	95	8	3.92	1.17	26.67	40	2.58	12.22
875	11.48	3121	968	22.5	21.31	95	8	5.51	1.17	32.16	41	2.85	12.28
1156	11.25	3234	986	20.5	23.46	95	8	7.69	1.17	32.16	41	3.13	12.16
1438	11.25	3291	995	19	26.68	95	8	9.14	1.17	32.16	43	3.37	12.06
1734	11.25	3445	1013	17.5	30.86	95	8	10.01	1.17	32.16	43	3.47	11.8
2016	11.25	3564	1022	17.5	34.22	93	8	10.3	1.16	32.16	45	3.54	11.54
2297	11.25	3669	1040	17.5	36.34	93	8	10.74	1.16	32.16	48	3.57	11.28
2578	11.25	3788	1058	17.5	37.17	93	8	10.59	1.16	32.16	48	3.55	11.24
2859	11.25	3916	1058	17.5	38.43	93	8	10.74	1.16	32.16	51	3.58	11.24
3141	11.25	4045	1076	17.5	40.56	93	8	10.74	1.16	32.16	51	3.59	11.34
3422	11.25	4155	1085	17.5	42.55	93	8	10.74	1.16	32.16	53	3.58	11.18
3703	11.25	4283	1094	17	45.69	91	8	10.88	1.16	32.16	56	3.6	11.02
4000	11.25	4373	1103	18.5	47.58	91	8	11.03	1.16	32.16	56	3.62	10.78
4281	11.25	4494	1112	19.5	48.89	91	8	11.03	1.16	32.16	58	3.62	10.88
4563	11.25	4646	1121	21	50.37	91	8	11.17	1.16	32.16	58	3.65	10.86
4844	11.25	4752	1130	21.5	50.69	90	8	11.17	1.16	31.76	62	3.64	10.86
5125	11.25	4842	1130	21	52.39	90	8	11.17	1.16	31.37	65	3.64	10.8
5391	11.25	5006	1130	20	54.47	90	8	11.17	1.16	30.98	65	3.64	10.82
5672	11.25	5095	1130	19.5	56.52	90	8	11.17	1.16	30.59	67	3.64	10.96
5969	11.25	5248	1139	21	58.22	90	8	11.17	1.16	30.59	67	3.65	10.96
6266	11.25	5361	1139	22.5	59.47	90	8	11.17	1.16	30.59	70	3.65	10.9
6547	11.25	5474	1148	24.5	61.9	88	8	11.32	1.16	30.59	72	3.66	10.92
6828	11.25	5572	1157	25	63	88	8	11.32	1.16	30.2	72	3.66	10.68
7125	11.25	5694	1157	25	65.6	88	8	11.32	1.16	29.8	76	3.65	10.64
7391	11.25	5841	1166	25	67.29	88	8	11.17	1.16	29.41	76	3.66	10.46
7672	11.25	5948	1166	25	68.52	88	8	11.32	1.16	29.02	78	3.66	10.5
7938	11.25	6024	1166	25.5	69.4	88	8	11.32	1.16	28.63	81	3.65	10.42
8219	11.25	6152	1166	27.5	70.88	88	8	11.32	1.16	28.24	81	3.66	10.4
8516	11.25	6244	1166	27.5	71.94	88	8	11.32	1.16	27.84	83	3.66	10.26
8781	11.25	6334	1166	28	72.97	88	8	11.32	1.16	27.45	83	3.67	10.16
9063	11.25	6482	1166	28	74.67	88	8	11.46	1.16	27.06	86	3.68	10.18
9344	11.25	6527	1166	28	76.59	86	8	11.46	1.16	27.06	88	3.68	9.96
9609	11.25	6654	1175	28	79.5	86	8	11.46	1.16	26.67	88	3.69	9.9
9891	11.25	6714	1175	28.5	79.88	86	8	11.46	1.16	26.27	89	3.69	9.92
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Old 07-09-2007, 08:24 PM   #3
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so i think i've fixed my maf issue and i've cranked up my wdc trying to hit my target boost of ~17.5
i'll have some logs from tonight once i go out
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:30 AM   #4
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hmm, nobody likes helping on this forum, i see...
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:20 AM   #5
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It appears that you are not logging the correct MAF g/s. It should not be 1.17 when on the throttle for sure. I would expect to see it climbing to around 250-270 g/s with that turbo.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:50 PM   #6
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It appears that you are not logging the correct MAF g/s. It should not be 1.17 when on the throttle for sure. I would expect to see it climbing to around 250-270 g/s with that turbo.
thanks and sorry, i forgot to post a log with the maf reading correctly!
and I turned the boost up too much and its having to fall back.
Code:
Time	NBO2	RPM	EGT*F	Ign *	IDC%	IAT*F	KC *	psi	wdc%	toa	WBO2	MAF g/s	2*g/rev
0	11.83	2375	914	29.5	10.13	90	8	-1.02	6.27	40.39	13.6	33.98	2.17
234	11.25	2390	914	36.5	11.22	90	8	0.44	18.43	95.69	14.32	37.42	1.86
469	12.98	2444	914	35.5	12.02	90	8	1.02	30.59	100	12.78	40.08	1.96
719	13.21	2492	923	32.5	12.76	90	8	1.6	39.61	100	13.32	43.48	2.09
953	13.09	2551	923	31	13.6	90	8	2.18	51.76	100	13.34	45.19	2.13
1187	12.98	2620	932	29.5	14.46	90	8	2.9	64.31	100	13.3	48.18	2.22
1422	12.86	2663	941	27.5	14.77	90	8	3.34	73.33	100	13.26	51.36	2.31
1672	12.63	2746	950	26.5	16.4	90	8	3.92	76.86	100	13.24	53.42	2.33
1906	12.63	2810	959	25	17.31	90	8	4.5	70.2	100	13.12	58.46	2.51
2141	12.4	2852	968	23	18.26	90	8	5.08	70.2	100	13.1	63.11	2.65
2391	12.52	2962	977	21.5	20.22	90	8	5.95	70.2	100	13.12	66.98	2.71
2625	12.06	3007	986	20	21.36	90	8	7.11	70.2	100	13	72.93	2.88
2875	11.6	3096	995	18.5	23.78	88	8	7.98	70.2	100	12.46	79.72	3.09
3109	11.71	3198	1013	18	25.93	88	8	9.14	70.2	100	12.4	86.99	3.26
3359	11.37	3288	1022	17.5	29.46	88	8	10.88	70.2	100	12.3	94.91	3.46
3594	11.25	3358	1031	16	34.39	88	8	12.19	70.2	100	11.7	105.1	3.76
3844	11.25	3461	1040	13.5	39.13	88	8	14.51	70.2	100	11.52	114.43	4.09
4078	11.25	3625	1049	11.5	43.78	88	8	16.69	70.2	100	11.42	124.02	4.13
4312	11.25	3728	1058	12.5	46.92	88	8	18.14	66.67	100	11.52	136.14	4.38
4562	11.25	3852	1067	13.5	46.02	86	8	18.28	58.43	100	11.7	135.31	4.16
4797	11.25	3972	1076	14.5	46	86	8	16.69	57.65	100	11.82	135.82	4.16
5031	11.25	4102	1094	15	47.26	86	8	16.25	59.61	100	11.88	133.8	3.91
5266	11.25	4216	1094	15.5	49.91	86	8	16.83	61.57	100	11.7	139.61	4.01
5500	11.25	4280	1103	15.5	53.88	86	8	17.41	61.96	100	11.48	150.82	4.23
5766	11.25	4464	1112	15.5	57.14	84	8	17.7	60.39	100	11.46	153.34	4.12
5984	11.25	4559	1121	15.5	59.33	84	8	17.56	59.61	100	11.44	164.6	4.33
6219	11.25	4682	1130	15.5	60.54	84	8	17.56	58.43	100	11.46	165.93	4.28
6453	11.25	4752	1130	16.5	59.82	84	8	16.98	58.43	100	11.4	163.61	4.13
6703	11.25	4842	1130	17	60.94	84	8	16.98	59.61	100	11.32	166.96	4.14
6937	11.25	5037	1139	17.5	63.36	84	8	17.27	60.39	100	11.36	175.21	4.25
7172	11.25	5098	1148	18	64.17	82	8	17.12	60.39	100	11.32	175.9	4.14
7406	11.25	5219	1148	19	66.71	82	8	17.12	61.18	100	11.44	182.88	4.21
7656	11.25	5312	1157	19.5	69.12	82	8	16.98	61.18	100	11.32	189.13	4.27
7891	11.25	5454	1166	20	72.14	82	8	16.83	61.18	100	11.22	191.71	4.23
8125	11.25	5539	1166	20.5	73.26	82	8	16.83	61.18	100	11	195.38	4.23
8359	11.25	5682	1166	21	75.15	82	8	16.69	61.18	100	10.88	197.96	4.18
8594	11.25	5769	1166	22	76.3	82	8	16.54	61.18	100	10.8	199.46	4.15
8828	11.25	5859	1175	22.5	77.5	82	8	16.4	60.78	100	10.68	201.82	4.13
9078	11.25	6029	1175	22.5	77.52	82	8	16.25	60.39	100	10.56	203.79	4.11
9312	11.25	6142	1175	23	79.93	82	8	16.11	60	100	10.6	201.43	4.01
9547	11.25	6234	1184	25.5	79.8	82	8	15.96	59.22	100	10.54	205.37	3.95
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:04 PM   #7
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Good luck with the tune. I recently tuned a local car with a vf30 on a 2.0L and it was a lot of fun. It has great top end.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:57 PM   #8
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thanks, any advice you can give me?
PS what kind of timing numbers did you have for yours
mine:
Code:
 	0.44	0.8	1.08	1.4	1.72	2	2.24	2.52	2.8	3.04	3.28	3.48	3.68	3.88	4.08	4.28
800	10.94	22.89	22.89	19.38	10.59	7.42	6.02	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96
1200	15.16	26.05	25	22.89	15.16	11.64	8.83	8.83	8.12	8.12	8.12	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02
1600	19.02	34.14	33.79	32.73	25.7	19.73	13.05	11.64	8.83	8.83	8.83	7.07	7.07	7.07	6.02	6.02
2000	21.84	40.82	38.71	38.71	34.14	27.81	21.84	15.51	12.34	9.88	7.07	7.07	6.02	4.96	4.96	4.96
2400	26.05	41.88	41.88	41.88	34.84	27.81	21.84	16.56	12.34	9.88	8.48	7.42	6.02	4.96	3.91	3.91
2800	32.03	42.23	40.12	37.66	37.66	28.87	22.54	18.32	14.45	12.34	10.94	9.88	8.48	7.07	7.07	7.07
3200	36.95	43.63	40.12	36.6	35.55	27.81	23.59	19.73	16.21	13.4	12.7	11.29	10.59	8.12	7.07	7.07
3600	42.93	42.23	40.12	37.66	36.6	28.16	26.76	21.48	17.27	15.51	11.99	10.59	10.59	8.12	7.07	6.02
4000	42.93	42.93	41.88	41.17	34.14	29.57	26.05	22.19	17.27	15.86	15.16	11.99	12.34	10.23	9.18	9.18
4400	42.93	42.93	42.58	40.12	34.84	30.98	23.95	21.48	17.97	15.86	14.1	11.99	12.34	10.94	9.88	9.88
4800	42.93	42.93	42.58	40.12	34.84	30.98	23.95	21.48	17.97	15.86	14.1	11.99	12.34	10.94	10.94	9.88
5200	42.93	42.93	42.93	41.88	38.01	34.49	27.11	24.65	21.48	18.67	15.86	15.86	13.4	13.05	14.1	13.4
5600	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	39.06	35.55	33.09	30.62	27.46	25	21.84	20.08	17.62	17.27	16.21	15.16
6000	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	36.95	34.49	31.33	28.52	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.02	18.32	17.27	17.27
6400	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	37.66	34.14	31.33	28.52	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.73	18.32	18.32	18.32
6800	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	37.66	34.14	31.33	28.52	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.73	18.32	18.32	18.32
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That seems pretty rich in the top-end past 5500rpm+.
And it doesn't seem to be flowing much air either but that is because you aren't running the turbo at it's max. That turbo should hold 19 maybe 20 typically at redline.
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What octane gas do you use?

What does your kc map look like?
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That seems pretty rich in the top-end past 5500rpm+.
And it doesn't seem to be flowing much air either but that is because you aren't running the turbo at it's max. That turbo should hold 19 maybe 20 typically at redline.
yea, i'd like to get my boost smoother before i start tuning the fuelling, but yes, i am running very rich
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What octane gas do you use?

What does your kc map look like?
93 octane and the KC map is a flat 8
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new timing map
Code:
	0.44	0.8	1.08	1.4	1.72	2	3.04	3.28	3.48	3.68	3.88	4.08	4.5	5	5.5	6
800	10.94	22.89	22.89	19.38	10.59	7.42	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96
1200	15.16	26.05	25	22.89	15.16	11.64	8.12	8.12	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02
1600	19.02	34.14	33.79	32.73	25.7	19.73	8.83	8.83	7.07	7.07	7.07	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02
2000	21.84	40.82	38.71	38.71	34.14	27.81	9.88	7.07	7.07	6.02	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96	4.96
2400	26.05	41.88	41.88	41.88	34.84	27.81	9.88	8.48	7.42	6.02	4.96	3.91	3.91	3.91	3.91	3.91
2800	32.03	42.23	40.12	37.66	37.66	28.87	12.34	10.94	9.88	8.48	7.07	7.07	7.07	7.07	7.07	7.07
3200	36.95	43.63	40.12	36.6	35.55	27.81	13.4	12.7	11.29	10.59	8.12	7.07	7.07	7.07	7.07	7.07
3600	42.93	42.23	40.12	37.66	36.6	28.16	15.51	11.99	10.59	10.59	8.12	7.07	6.02	6.02	6.02	6.02
4000	42.93	42.93	41.88	41.17	34.14	29.57	15.86	15.16	11.99	12.34	10.23	9.18	9.18	9.18	9.18	9.18
4400	42.93	42.93	42.58	40.12	34.84	30.98	15.86	14.1	11.99	12.34	10.94	9.88	9.88	9.88	9.88	9.88
4800	42.93	42.93	42.58	40.12	34.84	30.98	15.86	14.1	11.99	12.34	10.94	10.94	9.88	9.88	9.88	9.88
5200	42.93	42.93	42.93	41.88	38.01	34.49	18.67	15.86	15.86	13.4	13.05	14.1	13.4	13.4	13.4	13.4
5600	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	39.06	35.55	25	21.84	20.08	17.62	17.27	16.21	15.16	15.16	15.16	15.16
6000	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	36.95	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.02	18.32	17.27	17.27	17.27	17.27	17.27
6400	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	37.66	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.73	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32
6800	42.93	42.93	42.93	42.93	40.12	37.66	25.35	21.84	21.84	19.73	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32	18.32
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