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Old 07-10-2007, 08:58 PM   #26
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what i mean is you talking about how a wrx is capable of high speed. That really doesnt have anything to do with what i was asking. I have had civics that are capable of high speed and wont kill me either. The point was that you have to scream when talking to people and become tired on long trips trying to fight the car from shaking off the road (unlike in most european cars).

the answer. seems to be no. which doesnt suprise me.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:03 PM   #27
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Everybody has their own opinion as it should be, however I don't really feel comfortable in my WRX Wagon over 100 MPH. Some people do and drive alot faster than that.

I have been in BMWs at speeds up to 150 and they are hands down the best cars I have ever ridden in at excessive speeds, I don't think any Subi can compare with the way they ride at those kinds of speeds.

Now as mentioned above pounding a twisty mountain road is another story, hard to beat a subi there.

If you want to try it out just tell the dealer (or person) you want to take the car and check it out for a day or two. I have always done that and have never been told no by anyone.

Good luck!
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:04 PM   #28
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My STI is happiest at 70 MPH and above. Below that, it rides like my friends 83 buick. I think STIs squat from the factory. I don't notice any wind noise because my girlfriend's nagging is of a higher pitch.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:07 PM   #29
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paying close attention to the 'rake' of the vehicle(and the 'nose down' 'koo' look 'aint it) and adding some proper aero parts---an STi lip is one of the first I'd do, makes the Impreza MUCH more stable at speed.

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Old 07-10-2007, 09:18 PM   #30
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Some of the things WRX's have that make them so amazing around town are exactly the same things that hinder their top speed performance.

-Quicker steering rack. Perfect for one-handing 90-degree turns around town and on the mountains, but WAY easier to overcorrect with at 100+
-AWD. Great for scooting around, KILLS your top speed with drivetrain loss.
-Less sound deadening/luxurious padding. Show me a BMW that weights less than 3000 lbs, and i'll show you one that's as nimble as a subaru.
-Very un-aerodynamic shape. WRX's probably create lots of lift at high speed, while Beamers are designed from the ground up to be manageable at autobahn speeds. The WRX's shape can be "fixed" with functional aero parts (bigger wing, underbody diffusers, lip, etc), but it's a band-aid for what the BMW has naturally. This un-aero shape means you can fit your surfboard and groceries in the back, though

All that said, GD-chassis subaru's are the sturdiest of any japanese car i've ever ridden in. With some tweaking i'll bet that you can get that car to be at LEAST as stable as your favorite german...if not as comfy.
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:44 PM   #31
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Some of the things WRX's have that make them so amazing around town are exactly the same things that hinder their top speed performance.

-Quicker steering rack. Perfect for one-handing 90-degree turns around town and on the mountains, but WAY easier to overcorrect with at 100+
-AWD. Great for scooting around, KILLS your top speed with drivetrain loss.
-Less sound deadening/luxurious padding. Show me a BMW that weights less than 3000 lbs, and i'll show you one that's as nimble as a subaru.
-Very un-aerodynamic shape. WRX's probably create lots of lift at high speed, while Beamers are designed from the ground up to be manageable at autobahn speeds. The WRX's shape can be "fixed" with functional aero parts (bigger wing, underbody diffusers, lip, etc), but it's a band-aid for what the BMW has naturally. This un-aero shape means you can fit your surfboard and groceries in the back, though

All that said, GD-chassis subaru's are the sturdiest of any japanese car i've ever ridden in. With some tweaking i'll bet that you can get that car to be at LEAST as stable as your favorite german...if not as comfy.
...w 0 w.....the above is such complete drivel that i don't know where to start

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Old 07-10-2007, 11:27 PM   #32
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...w 0 w.....the above is such complete drivel that i don't know where to start

yeah i didnt bother to reply.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:50 AM   #33
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...w 0 w.....the above is such complete drivel that i don't know where to start

Well then, educate me so i don't screw it up again.
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:02 PM   #34
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Well then, educate me so i don't screw it up again.
For starters, the WRX does not have a quick steering rack. Read a few magazine reviews, up until 06 or 07 the WRX had a much slower rack than the STi and it was a common complaint. Subaru changed it in one of the last 2 years.
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:46 PM   #35
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My 06 wagon feels TOO GOOD at 140. Good tires and a few suspension upgrades and these cars will out handle most drivers ability.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:10 PM   #36
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Ok I know I'm going to get flaimed but I don't care.

My last car was Chevy Cobalt SS S/C.
At 100mph it was dead smooth. At 150 it was still dead smooth!!!!!!
My suby on the other hand rides nice at 80-90mph and not to bad 100 but get to much above that it feels unsafe to me.
I do have the 07 with the faster steering rack in it.
But the main things are that the suspension feels to soft and poorly dampened at higher speeds.

I took the car to 120mph one time and it was far less composed at 120 then my cobalt was at 150.

Granted the cobalt was not stock and the WRX has crapy all season tires.

I dont drive at speeds over 100 so its not a big deal to me. I only took it past 100 the one time to see what the car could do.

Later, hope that helps you.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:27 PM   #37
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I have an 02 WRX sedan with an upgraded suspension (KYB adjustable suspension, Eibach Sport Springs, and tower supports). 120+ seems to be the same as 75, but things go by faster and are a little bit louder. It handles amazing on the Potenzas while my STI wing keeps the ass planted smoothly.
My father's 944 seemed the same way, but you felt alot more (obviously). It was amazing at higher speeds. Comparing it to the WRX however... i would feel safe in both of them at higher speeds
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:27 AM   #38
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Ok I know I'm going to get flaimed but I don't care.

My last car was Chevy Cobalt SS S/C.
At 100mph it was dead smooth. At 150 it was still dead smooth!!!!!!
My suby on the other hand rides nice at 80-90mph and not to bad 100 but get to much above that it feels unsafe to me.
I do have the 07 with the faster steering rack in it.
But the main things are that the suspension feels to soft and poorly dampened at higher speeds.

I took the car to 120mph one time and it was far less composed at 120 then my cobalt was at 150.

Granted the cobalt was not stock and the WRX has crapy all season tires.

I dont drive at speeds over 100 so its not a big deal to me. I only took it past 100 the one time to see what the car could do.

Later, hope that helps you.
no it doesn't help. not only are you comparing apples and oranges but your post is completely irrelevant.
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:45 AM   #39
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I've had my car at 160+ and it was dead smooth. A bigger turbo, fmic, etc and a lowered car helped a lot. There were 4 fat asses in the car so I don't know if it helped or hurt top end speed.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:43 AM   #40
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Having driven an S4 and a 911 on numerous occasions, and having owned an M3, 3 WRX's, and presently owning a FXT, and a STI: I can categorically state that the M3 (and the other Germans) blow the heck out of all the Subies at speeds in excess of 90 mph.

I'm not an expert by any means as to why but the fact of the matter is that the M3 (and other Germans) felt firmly planted and not as skittish (for lack of a better term) at speed. Now don't get me wrong I loved (and love my FXT and STI) all my Subies but if you looking for a great top speed car I think you will be sorely disappointed with the WRX. Quite frankly Subies are simply are not designed for top speed.

Oh and all those that state that the WRX/STI are great cars at high speeds have likely never driven a car that truly is good at high speeds.
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I've had my car at 160+ and it was dead smooth. A bigger turbo, fmic, etc and a lowered car helped a lot. There were 4 fat asses in the car so I don't know if it helped or hurt top end speed.
How does a bigger turbo and a FMIC help make a car more stable at high speeds?
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:45 AM   #42
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At an indicated 160+ my car had some mild vibes. Nothing scary. Could have been the pavement on the A6. Its not the best. Other than that it tracked just fine. Tad bit of noise but could have been the crappy pavement.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:59 AM   #43
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Not more stable, just easier to get up to that speed. The lowering springs do help high speed stability.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:15 PM   #44
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I have run my wagon at 153 on the track, it was fine with stock suspension. Look for my new thread about Land Speed Racing on Speed tonight.
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:21 PM   #45
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For high speed (especially in a straight line) you really don't need good springs, however when your doing mountain driving/country driving/2-lane road adrenaline pumping risk taking driving....you better have good suspension.
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Old 08-20-2007, 11:39 AM   #46
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I have a 05 2.5 RS and i have been to about 115-120 in it and while it would be a little nerve racking going around a interstate corner at that speed it felt fine in a straight. i was suprised. i have done 112 (spd limiter) on my prior contour v6 and it was kinda floaty and soft at that speed if i were to go over some weird bumps or something i maybe could've lost control. btw these were on empty interstates and i dont do it very often. haha
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:16 PM   #47
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Most German (and some other euro cars) are made to do well at excessive speeds due to real world high speed autobahns. The Subaru is made to do well in backroad situations.

That said, I've had my 92X aero(2.0) up to 125 (speed kills fanbois go away) with a BMW 545. He had more power and torque and I'm sure he felt more comfortable at that speed. I find the 92X to be safe at that speed, but the steering feels a little nervous. Especially if the road is rutted. It like to follow those ruts. If you consistently run 90-110, buy a 328i. If you do it on occasion, the WRX will be fine.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:06 PM   #48
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hmm, tripped the last two days 1600 km (~1000 miles)...no one was faster...in germany
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Old 08-21-2007, 02:11 AM   #49
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Theres nothing like a German car at high speeds...they just feel so much more composed. Just spent two weeks in Germany. Hell I took a GTI up to 240kmh and it felt better than my WRX at 90/100mph. That said, I wouldnt be comfortable running my WRX at 120mph on the autobahn for too long....

Anyone who thinks their Subie is good at higher speeds, hasn't driven a BMW/Audi

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Old 08-21-2007, 02:13 AM   #50
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surpasses bmw in ease of speeding.
(a.k.a. the way it should be driven)
Will never be as quiet or as comfortable as a bmw.
but then again, who gives a **** when you are passing some snob in his m3 on a windy road.
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what pipedream world do you live in?
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