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Old 08-21-2007, 03:20 AM   #51
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my 02 wrx was fine at 155 and everywhere in between it was very well for a $16,000 car, yes I realize a damn M3 is better but on the other hand its more expensive. You get what you pay for a a wrx is a good bang for your buck.
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:46 PM   #52
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Theres nothing like a German car at high speeds...they just feel so much more composed. Just spent two weeks in Germany. Hell I took a GTI up to 240kmh and it felt better than my WRX at 90/100mph. That said, I wouldnt be comfortable running my WRX at 120mph on the autobahn for too long....

Anyone who thinks their Subie is good at higher speeds, hasn't driven a BMW/Audi
Excuse me Sir, I am german, I live in Germany, and you oversimplify too much:
- not every Golf is a GTI, hell, only 1 of 1000 is a GTI, the rest have lousy breaks and ****ty suspensions
- not every BMW is a M3 or M5, the most of them have "comfortable" suspensions, that means your car understeers, and "rolls" much in curves
- same for Daimler (or Mercedes or however they call it today)
- Audi...only 33 % are AWD, the rest is FWD...wanna hear more?

Most Audi/BMW/Mercedes/VW are bought by firms for the middle management, cheapest technical package, maybe leather and a sunroof!
Small 4 or 5 or 6 cylinder-engines, many diesel engines (VW/Audi over 50%!!!, Mercedes slightly under this mark), smallest available brake, smallest tires...all is cost-interested

And you Sir, you want to tell me now, that these "high-class-cars" performs better than my STI MY06?

Short answer: NO

And, this may disillusion you:

the BMW series 3 are mostly driven by "guidos"...itīs a no-go!
Golfs in Germany = Neons in America
most Golf GTI-riders in Germany = Ricer (today I was "bov-ed" from a Golf TSFI OMFG)

I hope this will clarify a bit...
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:54 PM   #53
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Excuse me Sir, I am german, I live in Germany, and you oversimplify too much:
- not every Golf is a GTI, hell, only 1 of 1000 is a GTI, the rest have lousy breaks and ****ty suspensions
Where did I say golf = gti? Maybe I generalized by saying "German car" but I assumed people would know what I was talking about.

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- not every BMW is a M3 or M5, the most of them have "comfortable" suspensions, that means your car understeers, and "rolls" much in curves
You're off topic and irrelevant. I have no doubt that an STI will run other cars thru winding roads, but at high speeds its uncomofortably noisy (road noise, wind noise, mirror whine, hood wobble) and doesn't feel all that planted or comfortable as the original poster was questioning.

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- Audi...only 33 % are AWD, the rest is FWD...wanna hear more?
Are you trying to claim that AWD is superior at high speeds? I don't get your point.

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And you Sir, you want to tell me now, that these "high-class-cars" performs better than my STI MY06?
At high freeway cruising speeds.... yes. I'll take a base model series three over your precious STI, sorry

I hope this will clarify a bit...[/quote]

It does, you're bias is shinning thru.
I'm also German and have also lived in Germany. Heidelberg, Heilbronn, and Schwaigern.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:02 PM   #54
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ok, than we both agree that the german autobahn is not that flat...the higher the speed the more short and long bumps will make your ride "uncomfortable", correct?

Most suspensions on the cheap german versions are underdamped, and our autobahns aren´t straight, most of them are curved, correct?

That are the reasons, that I feel comfortable at 220 km/h in my STI and NOT in a
- VW Passat 1.8
- Mercedes E 200
- BMW 318 oder 525
- Audi A3 1,8 TDI or Audi A4 2.0 TDI
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:07 PM   #55
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Theres nothing like a German car at high speeds...they just feel so much more composed. Just spent two weeks in Germany. Hell I took a GTI up to 240kmh and it felt better than my WRX at 90/100mph. That said, I wouldnt be comfortable running my WRX at 120mph on the autobahn for too long....

Anyone who thinks their Subie is good at higher speeds, hasn't driven a BMW/Audi
btw, here you have said something about a GTI...what Version, the newest one?

But, donīt let us start an annoying flame war...I will loose (because of lack of english vocabulary )

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Old 08-21-2007, 05:22 PM   #56
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As the owner of a 330i and a WRX, I can assure you you'll be disappointed with the Subaru at high speeds. There's no comparison between the two cars as far as ride quality goes. My WRX is more fun to drive than the BMW, but it's not near the car the 330i is.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:54 PM   #57
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ok, than we both agree that the german autobahn is not that flat...the higher the speed the more short and long bumps will make your ride "uncomfortable", correct?

Most suspensions on the cheap german versions are underdamped, and our autobahns arenīt straight, most of them are curved, correct?

That are the reasons, that I feel comfortable at 220 km/h in my STI and NOT in a
- VW Passat 1.8
- Mercedes E 200
- BMW 318 oder 525
- Audi A3 1,8 TDI or Audi A4 2.0 TDI
Yes it has curves, but not tight curves like my local highway. They're long elegant curves.

I was there visiting from late July to last week and had an A4 2.0 TDI S-Line (dont know if that comes with improved suspension) but it felt very composed at 200kph.

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btw, here you have said something about a GTI...what Version, the newest one?

But, donīt let us start an annoying flame war...I will loose (because of lack of english vocabulary )

Peace
It's my Uncle's...30th edition GTI with 230ps, pretty impressive little car. I wish Subaru would take some interior hints from this car.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:20 PM   #58
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How does a bigger turbo and a FMIC help make a car more stable at high speeds?
Bigger turbo, nothin. FMIC would allow you to get rid of the backwards spoiler on your hood.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:46 PM   #59
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:14 AM   #60
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Yes it has curves, but not tight curves like my local highway. They're long elegant curves.

I was there visiting from late July to last week and had an A4 2.0 TDI S-Line (dont know if that comes with improved suspension) but it felt very composed at 200kph.



It's my Uncle's...30th edition GTI with 230ps, pretty impressive little car. I wish Subaru would take some interior hints from this car.
s-line = sports line = improved suspension

and yes, the 30th edition is nice, one of the best FWD-cars...it only needs reliability! For example the DSG of the first generation causes very much trouble...

I agree that a BMW 330 has a better feeling, but can you compare it with a WRX or STI? Whatīs the difference in price in America? In Germany it costs 50% more than a STI...with these 26k $ I can improve the suspension in my STI a little
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:40 AM   #61
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I've driven am M5. It does squat over 90 MPH. My old mercedes was not doing this. I must say it was surprising for me, I didn't drive any other car that felt like that.
As far as the WRX: The stock bugeye lifts its nose at 100 MPH almost exactly. With OEM front lip spoiler, that goes away. The OEM front lip spoiler , BTW, is a sturdy unit. A flimsy lip spoiler will just bend down and accomplish nothing.
With no rear wing, braking from 100-110 MPH and up, the rear starts to feel light and wavy left-to-right. With the OEM WRX wing, that goes away.
If you want a more accurate description, search for an old prodrive posting about the amount of lift the WRX generates front and rear, stock and how that was solved by those guys with their aerodynamic add-ons.
You can then take the lift force described and compare it with what you have, about the BMW that you're used to.
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