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Old 11-07-2011, 02:25 PM   #426
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The cost of going to a 6 speed vs a Rallispec STi Close ratio or standard ratio gear set is about $2-$3K difference minimum. My entire build included all new parts except the bearings (still in excellent shape per the builder) and transmission case. I looked into going with a STi 6 speed and the cost was just too much for me. I would only go with a new 6 speed because I don't want someone's used tranny with potential issues - cheapest new 6 speed not including the conversion kit was $4K. I wanted to start fresh so I just rebuilt what I had with all new parts. I also wanted longer 1-4th gears. It all depends on what you want to use your transmission for and the type of driving you do, power you make, etc etc. Its actually quite a task to make this decision and a lot of research was involved on my end. It took me about 2 weeks to make my final decision. Also, be sure to get a good builder to do the build if you decide to rebuild your 5 speed. I was more worried about who was building the tranny and their experience. Once you crack the tranny, you may as well beef it up. There are benefits with the 6 speed including a front diff and adjustable center diff, but there are a lot more parts needed for the conversion.
Thanks for the advice buckwilly! The route you took seems like it's working pretty good so far and it's nice to see an option that's cheaper than a 6 speed swap. I see from your profile that you're also in the Charlotte, NC area like me. You mind sharing where you got your work done and the amount of time it took to finish it?
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:29 PM   #427
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Actually I think you know me. We met at Meineke the other day. I think I know who you are, sent you a PM.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:02 PM   #428
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I have a 2007 WRX TR with 37k on it cahnged the tranny fluid at 30k miles. been pushing 330hp/330tq for about 10k miles witha vf48 and a lot of other upgrades still have no problems. But i do have a V7 6 speed waiting to go in not wanting to take the chance.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:10 AM   #429
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The Rallispec STi RA Close Ratio gear set is at about 600 miles now in break in. I haven't driven the car or gear set hard since the transmission rebuild. I wouldn't be able to officially tell anyone what the Rallispec Gear set I have is good to in terms of horsepower and torque but obviously its better than LGT gears. I almost went the LGT gear route but flatiron and Dave at Rallispec seem confident that the Rallispec JDM STi close ratio set will be better suited for the power I am making now and have no issues for a daily drive making 300 whp and 340 wtq. I am not a hard shifter and do not track the car. . at those speeds. Those are the only 3 CONS I can think of with this new gear set:
1)The speedo is also off 2-3 mph
2)The car does hit about 3600rpm at 80 mph
3)Gas mileage seems to have dropped about 1-2 mpg on highway due to the higher rpms at 70-80 mph.

As for driveability, 1-4 gear feel, etc, things are going well. Car is an animal even in the lower rpms, its definitely "Different" even keeping it under 4000 rpms. 1st gear is now a usable gear - its amazing. And 2-4th gears are much longer and faster (if that makes sense), how long? not sure because I taking my time with revs and break-in. I had a 1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R and the gearing of that car is a lot like what my subaru feels like now...except a lot more power. LOL.

I will update as I break the gearset and clutch in and swap some Subaru Extra-S in after break-in transmission flush.

The new clutch, syncros, and gear set have been fantastic so far. It was an expensive upgrade, so I hope it does the job.

BTW- This is what my 3rd gear looked like after it blew. A few syncros were also pretty messed up.
I think you may have convinced me on the RA instead of the STI set. It seems like its more fun on the street, even though you lose a little gas mileage??? My car is currently running 300whp/315wt (mustang dyno) and i plan on bumping that to hopefully 370 minimum via 20g. Sounds like yours in holding up. I think I will be ordering my new set this week.

NOW...any NW (Renton) people in here?? Where to get my gears installed around here? Outback auto? Maxwell Power? PIA? any imput would be great!
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Old 11-08-2011, 01:14 PM   #430
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JDM STi RA close ratio gear set are more fun for the street but you will pay the price in 1-2 mpg loss highway driving. Please note, these are Rallispec treated and micro-honed version and come with a kit for the year WRX you own. So far they have been fantastic. I would recommend these to anyone who enjoys auto-xing. As for dropping the clutch, or intense shock load on these gears, I won't have any input as I do not abuse my car to that degree. Its my daily and I rely on it to get to work.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:15 AM   #431
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Very interesting thread with lots of good information. I currently have a 06 WRX TR with a Blouch 18G turbo and the stock tranny and clutch. I have about 4000 miles since my turbo upgrade and tune and I'm starting to get a terrible sound from a bearing in the transmission. Car seems to be performing fine, but when I'm idling at a stop light, the transmission sounds awful. It's especially bad when the car is in neutral and the clutch pedal is up. Sound goes away (or is less noticeable) when I push the clutch in.

Looks like I'll have to have my performance shop pull the transmission out to diagnose the exact problem and I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and do an upgrade of some kind since I'm already going to have to pay for a day's worth of labor. Can't decide if I should look for a 6 speed, upgrade the gear set in my 5 speed, or just not worry about it and get the offending bearing(s) replaced. Decisions, decisions....
Go with the 6 speed hands down! I've talked to numerous tuners, rally drivers, tranny builders, and engine builders and they all say that the 6 speed is the way to go! I am currently in the process of putting a 6 speed in my car from a totaled 04 sti that a friend unfortunately crashed. It had 4th gear out (he was running 530whp and 460 torque and loved to drive it hard, also 94,000 miles), I picked up the blown tranny for $1000 with tranny mount, cross member, shift linkages, and flywheel (i have seen another deal like this on NASIOC in the past).
From that point you have 2 options:
1)fix the trans and replace worn parts like syncros, etc. (syncros, 3 & 4 gear set, and matching 4th w/ labor cost $1,100).
2)rebuild with the 07+ gears and billet shift forks for ~$3,000 which is much better for large turbos and top end street cars (i believe top speed is 186mph). This makes the transmission virtually indestructible!
After that, the parts list (for a cheap swap):
-resurface flywheel $65
-automatic driveshaft $35
-r160 3.90 rear end $75 (i just found one for $75 and I'm getting charged $50 to put the 3.90 gears into my rear diff)
-tranny fluid $75
-rear diff fluid $30
-sti clutch and pressure plate $450- $500
Pretty sure that's it. It's well worth the ~$2850 I am spending on the swap. If you're even thinking about beating on the car at all, it is a no brainer to go with the 6 speed! You will replace it this one time and never have to worry about it again! Idk about you, but when I launch my car and shift hard I want to be confident that my tranny will hold up to the abuse and I wont have to spend another $1200-$1600 to rebuild a worthless 5 speed. The only 5 speed set up I would consider would be a 1-4 PPG straight cut dog box which you're now talking around $9500. The STI gears I have heard still can handle more intense shock loads and shifting than even the PPGs.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:59 AM   #432
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Go with the 6 speed hands down! I've talked to numerous tuners, rally drivers, tranny builders, and engine builders and they all say that the 6 speed is the way to go! I am currently in the process of putting a 6 speed in my car from a totaled 04 sti that a friend unfortunately crashed. It had 4th gear out (he was running 530whp and 460 torque and loved to drive it hard, also 94,000 miles), I picked up the blown tranny for $1000 with tranny mount, cross member, shift linkages, and flywheel (i have seen another deal like this on NASIOC in the past).
From that point you have 2 options:
1)fix the trans and replace worn parts like syncros, etc. (syncros, 3 & 4 gear set, and matching 4th w/ labor cost $1,100).
2)rebuild with the 07+ gears and billet shift forks for ~$3,000 which is much better for large turbos and top end street cars (i believe top speed is 186mph). This makes the transmission virtually indestructible!
After that, the parts list (for a cheap swap):
-resurface flywheel $65
-automatic driveshaft $35
-r160 3.90 rear end $75 (i just found one for $75 and I'm getting charged $50 to put the 3.90 gears into my rear diff)
-tranny fluid $75
-rear diff fluid $30
-sti clutch and pressure plate $450- $500
Pretty sure that's it. It's well worth the ~$2850 I am spending on the swap. If you're even thinking about beating on the car at all, it is a no brainer to go with the 6 speed! You will replace it this one time and never have to worry about it again! Idk about you, but when I launch my car and shift hard I want to be confident that my tranny will hold up to the abuse and I wont have to spend another $1200-$1600 to rebuild a worthless 5 speed. The only 5 speed set up I would consider would be a 1-4 PPG straight cut dog box which you're now talking around $9500. The STI gears I have heard still can handle more intense shock loads and shifting than even the PPGs.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this and congrats on the 6 speed swap. I hope it all comes together smoothly for you and please update us once you get it all in.

I thought long and hard about my situation and ultimately decided to stick with my 5-speed and upgrade to the PAR gearset. I wanted to do the 6-speed swap at first, but the idea of trying to find a a good deal on all the parts was a bit much for me. If I had a friend that I trusted that had a used 6-speed drivetrain then it would be different, but I just don't know anyone like that and didn't want to roll the dice with eBay or the NASIOC Classifieds. For the sake of comparison, I asked a local Subaru dealer to give me a quote on a brand new 6-speed swap and they told me it would be about $15,000-$16,000! That was brand new everything including labor, the R180 diff, and new axles, but dang, that's about what my car is worth right now!

Anyway, I imagine a lot of you are thinking: "PAR? Why not RA, Albins, or PPG?". Well I thought the same thing at first. I wanted PPGs and actually had them on order from Andrewtech thru my shop (Draco Performance). Unfortunately, PPGs are on backorder for an indefinite period of time. I talked to Sam at Andrewtech and he sold me on the PAR gears. He said they've come a long way from the Chalack days and the set they have now are rated up to 650 HP and have a 1 year warranty. They're available now and if Andrewtech is recommending them, then I don't see how I could doubt their advice. The PAR gears are a couple hundred more than the PPGs, but their kit also comes with some additional upgraded parts that the PPGs don't come with.

I hope to have the PAR gears next week and will update you guys when Draco Performance installs them.

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Old 11-23-2011, 01:15 PM   #433
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my 3rd gear broke after about a year of driving it around on stg 2. I went to Rallispec by me and went with the RA gears. That was probably 2 years ago by now and they have held up very well.

My complaints:
- On the highway in fifth gear the rpm's are always pretty high, def should've kept my old 5th gear
- My speedometer is off now.. I am going 5% faster than it says I am.. nbd, but its kinda hard to fight a speeding ticket when you really don't know how fast you're going unless i have the gps app on my phone on at the time
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:01 PM   #434
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my 3rd gear broke after about a year of driving it around on stg 2. I went to Rallispec by me and went with the RA gears. That was probably 2 years ago by now and they have held up very well.

My complaints:
- On the highway in fifth gear the rpm's are always pretty high, def should've kept my old 5th gear
- My speedometer is off now.. I am going 5% faster than it says I am.. nbd, but its kinda hard to fight a speeding ticket when you really don't know how fast you're going unless i have the gps app on my phone on at the time
By doing this, you are also slowly putting more miles on the car then you actually are which will eventually hurt the re-sale value of the car. Its no big deal if you hardly drive it, or dont drive very far to work.

Get your speedo reprogrammed, if possible.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:58 PM   #435
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07 TR with 60k miles, 3rd gear just went over the summer. I put a 6speed in the car and the kid is happy, i may rebuild this and put it in my car. Is this a common thing for 06/07s?

FYI EFI Logics put in a new clutch on the car (car has minor bolt ons) and put in redline heavyweight shockproof crap, trans blew roughly a week after this.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:11 AM   #436
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06 wrx tr with 83k. Went with a vf39 and all supporting mods pushing about 300hp and 350tq and just blew out third gear this past weekend. it deff makes me not even want to drive it hard anymore
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:12 AM   #437
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06 wrx tr with 83k. Went with a vf39 and all supporting mods pushing about 300hp and 350tq and just blew out third gear this past weekend. it deff makes me not even want to drive it hard anymore
well you shouldnt be driving hard on a broken 3rd gear anyways duh
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:06 AM   #438
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curious toward those that have blown their trans. How often do you guys drive hard? Often, sorta often, not often, never?

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Old 11-24-2011, 01:12 AM   #439
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curious toward those that have blown their motors. How often do you guys drive hard? Often, sorta often, not often, never?
this is the thread for blown transmissions, if your motor has blown and you never drove hard....
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this is the thread for blown transmissions, if your motor has blown and you never drove hard....
fixed! lol...thanks
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well you shouldnt be driving hard on a broken 3rd gear anyways duh
was meaning after i get it fixed lol
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:50 PM   #442
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By doing this, you are also slowly putting more miles on the car then you actually are which will eventually hurt the re-sale value of the car. Its no big deal if you hardly drive it, or dont drive very far to work.

Get your speedo reprogrammed, if possible.
Actually based on my RA close ratio gear set, I'm putting less miles on odometer than I am actually driving. If I go 60 mph on my odometer for 1 hr, I drive 65 miles in reality. RA gear set has been flushed and gear set is broken in, new 1-5th gears make the the WRX so much quicker. Love my RAs from rallispec.
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curious toward those that have blown their trans. How often do you guys drive hard? Often, sorta often, not often, never?
I definitely drive my car hard. That's why I did a 6 speed swap! The gears are almost twice as wide; to me a 6 speed swap is the only reasonable option. If you start modding any 5 speed WRX, the question to ask is not if but when it will fail!
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^I see...I only ask because I'm anticipating mine going out, but I don't drive it hard at all anymore. I did before, but that was more than 80k miles ago. The only time I drive my car hard is on the race track, even then I use proper heel toe/rev match techniques to lower shock load stress. I'm just trying to gauge when mine will probably go out.
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Anyway, I imagine a lot of you are thinking: "PAR? Why not RA, Albins, or PPG?". Well I thought the same thing at first. I wanted PPGs and actually had them on order from Andrewtech thru my shop (Draco Performance). Unfortunately, PPGs are on backorder for an indefinite period of time. I talked to Sam at Andrewtech and he sold me on the PAR gears. He said they've come a long way from the Chalack days and the set they have now are rated up to 650 HP and have a 1 year warranty. They're available now and if Andrewtech is recommending them, then I don't see how I could doubt their advice. The PAR gears are a couple hundred more than the PPGs, but their kit also comes with some additional upgraded parts that the PPGs don't come with.

I hope to have the PAR gears next week and will update you guys when Draco Performance installs them.
I was talked into the PAR gear set by AndrewTech as well. I have ~400 miles on them and I am one happy camper. It takes a little bit to get used to the whine and the new noises, but well worth it.

<-- 07 WRX TR Stage 2 (stock TD04h) and busted 2nd gear @ 61k.

This car is my daily driver and I never tracked it. I haven't even dumped the clutch. I am the second owner, and whoever owned the car before me had to have driven the car hard. Before my trans went, the rear diff exploded. Thankfully, that was covered by SoA. The only reason I did not go with the 6-spd (was highly considering it) was that the PAR gear set is a few hundred dollars more than the STi 6-spd. The 6-spd's I was seeing had ~60k-80k+ and are an unknown condition. Not sure about you gents, but if I owned a STi, it would have a few thousand hard miles having some fun. It's worth it to me having a built 5-spd with 0 miles from the get go and a 1-year warranty.

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im waiting on my trans to get rebuilt. I did decide to go with the RA set($1699) as my car is a DD and im dont want to drop 6k for a trans swap. An for an added touch i order a Aluminum Driveshaft ($479) lightened flywheel ACT Street lite($290) and since my trans is out change the clutch($400). total $2868. that is $3,132 cheaper than sti swap.
but in all if you do want 600whp, ya the sti swap is for you and you probably should have bought one in the first place! im happy with 280hp on a DD. Bottom line do what you want! Not what everyone else is. Choose a path that is logical for you and your car. Make it your own identity.
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^ Did you read post #433

It's a DD for you, but it will change your RPMS. And are you including labor as part of that $6k? I was pricing out the STi swap with me doing the labor and it was shy of $5k for parts and a new clutch.
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I was talked into the PAR gear set by AndrewTech as well. I have ~400 miles on them and I am one happy camper. It takes a little bit to get used to the whine and the new noises, but well worth it.

<-- 07 WRX TR Stage 2 (stock TD04h) and busted 2nd gear @ 61k.

This car is my daily driver and I never tracked it. I haven't even dumped the clutch. I am the second owner, and whoever owned the car before me had to have driven the car hard. Before my trans went, the rear diff exploded. Thankfully, that was covered by SoA. The only reason I did not go with the 6-spd (was highly considering it) was that the PAR gear set is a few hundred dollars more than the STi 6-spd. The 6-spd's I was seeing had ~60k-80k+ and are an unknown condition. Not sure about you gents, but if I owned a STi, it would have a few thousand hard miles having some fun. It's worth it to me having a built 5-spd with 0 miles from the get go and a 1-year warranty.
Thanks for sharing your experience about the PAR gearset. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive and am getting very antsy....lol! Your thoughts about the 6 speed swap are the exact same as mine. Doing brand new parts is ridculously expensive for a 6 speed and I didn't want to roll the dice with a bunch of used parts. I'm getting brand new everything with my PAR gearset and am still coming out pretty good for the total cost. I can't wait!
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Thanks for sharing your experience about the PAR gearset. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive and am getting very antsy....lol! Your thoughts about the 6 speed swap are the exact same as mine. Doing brand new parts is ridculously expensive for a 6 speed and I didn't want to roll the dice with a bunch of used parts. I'm getting brand new everything with my PAR gearset and am still coming out pretty good for the total cost. I can't wait!
No problem! I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! And just some advice, 3rd gear is as loud as 1st gear. I also hear a slight whine in neutral when I am off the clutch. I spoke with Sam @ AndrewTech and he re-assured me these are normal sounds. I have a friend with a PPG'd trans in his Forester, and he does not have these sounds but I also recall that PPG only offers 1-3rd straight cut in their bundle. Not 1st gear straight cut and the rest helical.
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