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Old 01-04-2002, 11:09 PM   #26
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Default re: aux. low beams

[quote]Originally posted by etam
[b]I am still interested in seeing..

aux low beam kit of Sylvania Xenarc

*JUNK*, and way too expensive. Spend a fraction of the cash buying a set of the now-discontinued Hella XL auxiliary low beam off Ebay. Search on Hella XL. Note that these aux low beams are really for if you're inexorably handcuffed to lousy low beams; the better way to spend money is to fix the lousy low beams!

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Old 01-05-2002, 09:21 AM   #27
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Default Aux Light

How much of a difference is there between the Hella XL and the Hella Micro DE.

Anybody have some pics of a Legacy with lights mounted on bumper, without using a light bar.
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Old 01-05-2002, 10:19 AM   #28
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jonathan - sorry, the headlights are one of the stock pieces i'm keeping in case something happens and the car has to be sold. have you tried f&s? they should have headlights from the 95-97 legacys.

edited my previous post. i can't remember port and starboard, either.
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Old 01-05-2002, 10:59 AM   #29
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Default Re: Aux Light

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How much of a difference is there between the Hella XL and the Hella Micro DE.
The two are not comparable. Micro DE is available in a couple of flavors (fog lamp, driving lamp); XL is an auxiliary low beam lamp. The beam patterns are different for all three of these functions.

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Old 01-05-2002, 12:09 PM   #30
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So my Morrets are on their way. I am going to do the wire/relay upgrade. What would be the best bulbs to use. I do not want a HID kit.
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Old 01-05-2002, 02:35 PM   #31
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sternlights, you call those HID auxilary lights "JUNK" because...??? Have you seen them in person? I have those lights and they work great. They are called an auxilary low beam kit, but with them I don't even need my headlights. They are also brighter than the HIDs I see on BMWs, Acuras, etc. that I compare them to everyday while in traffic. I am not going to argue the price because they are pricey, but try to find a good set of HIDs for less than $500. BTW, you can get them a lot cheaper than they list at the Sylvania site. I also bet these are brighter than any other legal wattage fog or driving light out there, probably even more than most legal wattage headlights. I did get them cause of the lousy headlights and I did not want to risk frying the headlight housing or wiring with higher wattage bulbs. I thought of getting the Morettes and getting HIDs in them, but then the price would have been double. I also liked the idea of being able to put my stock fogs back in when I sell this car. Since these are not Legacy specific I can use them on any vehicle.

etam, I am still working on pics. Had some taken and something was wrong with the damn disk they were on.
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Old 01-07-2002, 09:50 PM   #32
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Thumbs up WOW !

Wow!

Guys, Thanks for the info! Talk about answering some questions... I'll have to read it all again to digest it.

Thanks again,

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Old 01-07-2002, 10:02 PM   #33
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i'm not sure if i'm missing something obvious but... the bulbs we use in our headlights... is it both high/low beam filaments together in a single bulb? if u use the hid conversion, what happens to the high beam?

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Old 01-07-2002, 10:48 PM   #34
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This might be a stupid question or response, but I was thinking of posting this just now and I saw this thread. Why not buy a set of regular Legacy headlights that were designed for the European Market? Which is basically what morettes are, only they cost alot more. The beam patterns and optics of european spec headlights are VASTLY superior to the DOT standards of the states. Not to mention they will more than likely come with H4's. Us vw guys do this all the time to improve the absolute horrid headlamps our cars come with.

Just for comparison... This picture was taken with the stock 1990 Corrado G60 headlights on my car. 55 watts low beam 9004 bulb.

note: My digital camera doesn't caputre ambient lighting to well in low light conditions.

This picture was taken three days later after installing stock european spec Corrado G60 headlights. 55 watts low beam H4 bulb.


Same stretch of road same time of day. Pretty scary how bad the stockers were, huh? Even without the ambient light you can see how much better the e-spec headlamps are.
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Old 01-08-2002, 12:31 AM   #35
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-- Benjamin Tang:

Yes, with stock H4 or 9007 Legacy Headlights, you will lose your High beams with a regular HID kit. You would have to buy a special, dual beam kit to retain your High beams. This is why the Morettes are a great choice if you want to convert to HID.

-- Kkozma:

To answer you question as to why people don't just buy stock, European spec Legacy headlights instead of Morettes, the stock Euro Leagacy headlights cost as much as 2 times what the Morette Leagacy Headlights sell for. The Morettes are European spec as they are made in France, and their optics are vastly superior to the stock, U.S. spec headlights.
I contemplated buying the Stock European Legacy Projector/ Reflector type headlights, but they were much more expensive than the Morettes and their light output was inferior to the Morettes. It is too bad that we cannot just buy E-Spec replacement headlights like VW and BMW folks can, as they are much better than U.S. stock.



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Old 01-08-2002, 03:17 PM   #36
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Default European Stock vs Morettes...

I must correct Jacob on the price... European stock legacy lights are cheaper than Morettes by full 33%.
200 (new dealership price) vs 300 for Morette. I think it is harder to get the idea about true Euro prices from the US because you are contacting the most expensive places (those that have websites and advertize in glossy magazines)

my 1.4 pence
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Old 01-08-2002, 03:56 PM   #37
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Default How much better are Euro Legacys?

headlights I mean

compared to US? (obviously better, but do they use H4s?)
compared to Morrettes? (Probably not as good, but are they 66% as good?)
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Old 01-08-2002, 10:00 PM   #38
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The Morretes look alot better. I also doubt the optics are as good in the factory (euro) Legacy lights. I just ordered my Morretes for $460 shipped. How much are the Euro Legacy lights?
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Old 01-08-2002, 10:05 PM   #39
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Thanks Dupel, I stand corrected.

Do the European lights you are refering to have a projector low beam, like the JDM stock headlights? Or are they just an improved version of our reflector type headlight? Thanks!

Legacy Projector type low beam headlights:


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Old 01-08-2002, 10:10 PM   #40
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I *think* both jacob and dupel are correct:

jacob: GTB twin (2 bulbs) beam projector headlight is very expensive!
dupel: normal e-code headlight using H4 (??) should be reasonable (just like American one but different reflector).

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Old 01-09-2002, 08:22 AM   #41
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Angry Stuck with 9007

OK - I've been following this thread and are there any options for those of us who are "stuck" 9007 Bulbs - Specifically 2000 -2001 Legacy L's.

Anyone convert to the dual bulb GT/OB Lights? Worth the dollars?

Any other options?

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Old 01-09-2002, 08:45 AM   #42
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95-98 H4 headlight for $155..

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/parts1.htm
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Old 01-09-2002, 05:12 PM   #43
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Default Euro Legacy lights

As far as I know, UK has not seen official GT-B sales. There are neither projector lights, nor combo auxiliary lights in dealers' catalogues, nor other goodies.
The only couple of people I know of have imported their GT-Bs from Japan

Ordinary Legacy lights are still H4, otherwise they would not be E-code. But no projectors.
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Old 01-09-2002, 06:15 PM   #44
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have run Hella Optilux Xenon Plus 80/100 on
stock harness for more than an year, no probs. The 97 Legacy doesn't use a forward glare reflector, so there's no discoloration. Light output greatly improved.
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Old 01-09-2002, 07:49 PM   #45
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Just a clarification for Etam's post,

Legacy 96-97 = H4 bulbs
Legacy 98-99 = 9007 bulbs

98 headlights were changed to a clear lense and different (improved) reflector with a sharper beam cut off. IMHO the 98-99 are only slightly better (comparing my mother's 96 to my 98).



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Old 02-12-2002, 05:20 PM   #46
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Default Euro-spec Sourcing

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I *may* have a line for some Euro-spec (German) 2k2 Headlights for my Legacy. After Looking at Subaru's German site (subaru.de) I really, really want the e-spec lights,not just for looks, (they look identical to the newer B4 lights) but also for the (supposed) better lighting output. So hence my questions:

1) How much better is the stock German Legacy (2002) headlamps compared to our US headlamps really?
2) If, for whatever reason, my contact can not get them, is there another contact (business, other i-club member, etc..) that could get me a set of these?

Thanks

Later
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