How to Improve the Headlights Range... - Page 2

sternlights · 01-04-2002, 11:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by etam
[b]I am still interested in seeing..

aux low beam kit of Sylvania Xenarc

*JUNK*, and way too expensive. Spend a fraction of the cash buying a set of the now-discontinued Hella XL auxiliary low beam off Ebay. Search on Hella XL. Note that these aux low beams are really for if you're inexorably handcuffed to lousy low beams; the better way to spend money is to fix the lousy low beams!

DS

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geralds34 · 01-05-2002, 09:21 AM

How much of a difference is there between the Hella XL and the Hella Micro DE.

Anybody have some pics of a Legacy with lights mounted on bumper, without using a light bar.

froggert · 01-05-2002, 10:19 AM

jonathan - sorry, the headlights are one of the stock pieces i'm keeping in case something happens and the car has to be sold. have you tried f&s? they should have headlights from the 95-97 legacys.

edited my previous post. i can't remember port and starboard, either.

sternlights · 01-05-2002, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by geralds34
How much of a difference is there between the Hella XL and the Hella Micro DE.

The two are not comparable. Micro DE is available in a couple of flavors (fog lamp, driving lamp); XL is an auxiliary low beam lamp. The beam patterns are different for all three of these functions.

DS

HIHO · 01-05-2002, 12:09 PM

So my Morrets are on their way. I am going to do the wire/relay upgrade. What would be the best bulbs to use. I do not want a HID kit.

MKIVSupra · 01-05-2002, 02:35 PM

sternlights, you call those HID auxilary lights "JUNK" because...??? Have you seen them in person? I have those lights and they work great. They are called an auxilary low beam kit, but with them I don't even need my headlights. They are also brighter than the HIDs I see on BMWs, Acuras, etc. that I compare them to everyday while in traffic. I am not going to argue the price because they are pricey, but try to find a good set of HIDs for less than $500. BTW, you can get them a lot cheaper than they list at the Sylvania site. I also bet these are brighter than any other legal wattage fog or driving light out there, probably even more than most legal wattage headlights. I did get them cause of the lousy headlights and I did not want to risk frying the headlight housing or wiring with higher wattage bulbs. I thought of getting the Morettes and getting HIDs in them, but then the price would have been double. I also liked the idea of being able to put my stock fogs back in when I sell this car. Since these are not Legacy specific I can use them on any vehicle.

etam, I am still working on pics. Had some taken and something was wrong with the damn disk they were on.

carvinsnow · 01-07-2002, 09:50 PM

Wow!

Guys, Thanks for the info! Talk about answering some questions... I'll have to read it all again to digest it.

Thanks again,

~carvinsnow

Benjamin Tang · 01-07-2002, 10:02 PM

i'm not sure if i'm missing something obvious but... the bulbs we use in our headlights... is it both high/low beam filaments together in a single bulb? if u use the hid conversion, what happens to the high beam?

ben

kkozma · 01-07-2002, 10:48 PM

This might be a stupid question or response, but I was thinking of posting this just now and I saw this thread. Why not buy a set of regular Legacy headlights that were designed for the European Market? Which is basically what morettes are, only they cost alot more. The beam patterns and optics of european spec headlights are VASTLY superior to the DOT standards of the states. Not to mention they will more than likely come with H4's. Us vw guys do this all the time to improve the absolute horrid headlamps our cars come with.

Just for comparison... This picture was taken with the stock 1990 Corrado G60 headlights on my car. 55 watts low beam 9004 bulb.

note: My digital camera doesn't caputre ambient lighting to well in low light conditions.

This picture was taken three days later after installing stock european spec Corrado G60 headlights. 55 watts low beam H4 bulb.

Same stretch of road same time of day. Pretty scary how bad the stockers were, huh? Even without the ambient light you can see how much better the e-spec headlamps are.

jacobhorn · 01-08-2002, 12:31 AM

-- Benjamin Tang:

Yes, with stock H4 or 9007 Legacy Headlights, you will lose your High beams with a regular HID kit. You would have to buy a special, dual beam kit to retain your High beams. This is why the Morettes are a great choice if you want to convert to HID.

-- Kkozma:

To answer you question as to why people don't just buy stock, European spec Legacy headlights instead of Morettes, the stock Euro Leagacy headlights cost as much as 2 times what the Morette Leagacy Headlights sell for. The Morettes are European spec as they are made in France, and their optics are vastly superior to the stock, U.S. spec headlights.
I contemplated buying the Stock European Legacy Projector/ Reflector type headlights, but they were much more expensive than the Morettes and their light output was inferior to the Morettes. It is too bad that we cannot just buy E-Spec replacement headlights like VW and BMW folks can, as they are much better than U.S. stock.

jacob

dupel · 01-08-2002, 03:17 PM

I must correct Jacob on the price... European stock legacy lights are cheaper than Morettes by full 33%.
£200 (new dealership price) vs £300 for Morette. I think it is harder to get the idea about true Euro prices from the US because you are contacting the most expensive places (those that have websites and advertize in glossy magazines)

my 1.4 pence

dscottf · 01-08-2002, 03:56 PM

headlights I mean

compared to US? (obviously better, but do they use H4s?)
compared to Morrettes? (Probably not as good, but are they 66% as good?)

HIHO · 01-08-2002, 10:00 PM

The Morretes look alot better. I also doubt the optics are as good in the factory (euro) Legacy lights. I just ordered my Morretes for $460 shipped. How much are the Euro Legacy lights?

jacobhorn · 01-08-2002, 10:05 PM

Thanks Dupel, I stand corrected.

Do the European lights you are refering to have a projector low beam, like the JDM stock headlights? Or are they just an improved version of our reflector type headlight? Thanks!

Legacy Projector type low beam headlights:

jacob

etam · 01-08-2002, 10:10 PM

I *think* both jacob and dupel are correct:

jacob: GTB twin (2 bulbs) beam projector headlight is very expensive!
dupel: normal e-code headlight using H4 (??) should be reasonable (just like American one but different reflector).

Ernest

kbrate · 01-09-2002, 08:22 AM

OK - I've been following this thread and are there any options for those of us who are "stuck" 9007 Bulbs - Specifically 2000 -2001 Legacy L's.

Anyone convert to the dual bulb GT/OB Lights? Worth the dollars?

Any other options?

KCB

etam · 01-09-2002, 08:45 AM

95-98 H4 headlight for $155..

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/parts1.htm

dupel · 01-09-2002, 05:12 PM

As far as I know, UK has not seen official GT-B sales. There are neither projector lights, nor combo auxiliary lights in dealers' catalogues, nor other goodies.
The only couple of people I know of have imported their GT-Bs from Japan

Ordinary Legacy lights are still H4, otherwise they would not be E-code. But no projectors.

gumball · 01-09-2002, 06:15 PM

have run Hella Optilux Xenon Plus 80/100 on
stock harness for more than an year, no probs. The 97 Legacy doesn't use a forward glare reflector, so there's no discoloration. Light output greatly improved.

jacobhorn · 01-09-2002, 07:49 PM

Just a clarification for Etam's post,

Legacy 96-97 = H4 bulbs
Legacy 98-99 = 9007 bulbs

98 headlights were changed to a clear lense and different (improved) reflector with a sharper beam cut off. IMHO the 98-99 are only slightly better (comparing my mother's 96 to my 98).

jacob

AKSubie · 02-12-2002, 05:20 PM

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I *may* have a line for some Euro-spec (German) 2k2 Headlights for my Legacy. After Looking at Subaru's German site (subaru.de) I really, really want the e-spec lights,not just for looks, (they look identical to the newer B4 lights) but also for the (supposed) better lighting output. So hence my questions:

1) How much better is the stock German Legacy (2002) headlamps compared to our US headlamps really?
2) If, for whatever reason, my contact can not get them, is there another contact (business, other i-club member, etc..) that could get me a set of these?

Thanks

Later
Ben

01-04-2002, 11:09 PM	#26
sternlights Scooby Newbie Member#: 13896 Join Date: Jan 2002	re: aux. low beams [quote]Originally posted by etam [b]I am still interested in seeing.. aux low beam kit of Sylvania Xenarc JUNK, and way too expensive. Spend a fraction of the cash buying a set of the now-discontinued Hella XL auxiliary low beam off Ebay. Search on Hella XL. Note that these aux low beams are really for if you're inexorably handcuffed to lousy low beams; the better way to spend money is to fix the lousy low beams! DS * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-05-2002, 09:21 AM	#27
geralds34 Scooby Newbie Member#: 13918 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON Canada Vehicle: 2008 impreza 5dr	Aux Light How much of a difference is there between the Hella XL and the Hella Micro DE. Anybody have some pics of a Legacy with lights mounted on bumper, without using a light bar.

01-07-2002, 09:50 PM	#32
carvinsnow Scooby Newbie Member#: 2938 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: High Point, NC Vehicle: '99 GT Legacies Front- White Rear- Blue	WOW ! Wow! Guys, Thanks for the info! Talk about answering some questions... I'll have to read it all again to digest it. Thanks again, ~carvinsnow

01-08-2002, 03:17 PM	#36
dupel Scooby Newbie Member#: 11636 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: London Vehicle: 1998 Legacy Spruce Pearl	European Stock vs Morettes... I must correct Jacob on the price... European stock legacy lights are cheaper than Morettes by full 33%. £200 (new dealership price) vs £300 for Morette. I think it is harder to get the idea about true Euro prices from the US because you are contacting the most expensive places (those that have websites and advertize in glossy magazines) my 1.4 pence

01-08-2002, 03:56 PM	#37
dscottf Scooby Newbie Member#: 3312 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI 53713 Vehicle: 1999 Outback Wagon Sapphire Blue	How much better are Euro Legacys? headlights I mean compared to US? (obviously better, but do they use H4s?) compared to Morrettes? (Probably not as good, but are they 66% as good?)

01-05-2002, 10:19 AM	#28
froggert Scooby Specialist Member#: 768 Join Date: Jan 2000 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: nj Vehicle: OB, legacy, 911, ram 1500, 1098s, m620	jonathan - sorry, the headlights are one of the stock pieces i'm keeping in case something happens and the car has to be sold. have you tried f&s? they should have headlights from the 95-97 legacys. edited my previous post. i can't remember port and starboard, either.

01-05-2002, 12:09 PM	#30
HIHO Scooby Specialist Member#: 7624 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Hopefully on a nice single track. Vehicle: BD5; family sedan that just wooped your ass	So my Morrets are on their way. I am going to do the wire/relay upgrade. What would be the best bulbs to use. I do not want a HID kit.

01-05-2002, 02:35 PM	#31
MKIVSupra Scooby Newbie Member#: 4441 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Wheeling, IL Vehicle: 2004 WRX STi WRB and Gold	sternlights, you call those HID auxilary lights "JUNK" because...??? Have you seen them in person? I have those lights and they work great. They are called an auxilary low beam kit, but with them I don't even need my headlights. They are also brighter than the HIDs I see on BMWs, Acuras, etc. that I compare them to everyday while in traffic. I am not going to argue the price because they are pricey, but try to find a good set of HIDs for less than $500. BTW, you can get them a lot cheaper than they list at the Sylvania site. I also bet these are brighter than any other legal wattage fog or driving light out there, probably even more than most legal wattage headlights. I did get them cause of the lousy headlights and I did not want to risk frying the headlight housing or wiring with higher wattage bulbs. I thought of getting the Morettes and getting HIDs in them, but then the price would have been double. I also liked the idea of being able to put my stock fogs back in when I sell this car. Since these are not Legacy specific I can use them on any vehicle. etam, I am still working on pics. Had some taken and something was wrong with the damn disk they were on.

01-07-2002, 10:02 PM	#33
Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	i'm not sure if i'm missing something obvious but... the bulbs we use in our headlights... is it both high/low beam filaments together in a single bulb? if u use the hid conversion, what happens to the high beam? ben

01-07-2002, 10:48 PM	#34
kkozma Scooby Newbie Member#: 8022 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Vehicle: 2003 Forester Pacifica Blue	This might be a stupid question or response, but I was thinking of posting this just now and I saw this thread. Why not buy a set of regular Legacy headlights that were designed for the European Market? Which is basically what morettes are, only they cost alot more. The beam patterns and optics of european spec headlights are VASTLY superior to the DOT standards of the states. Not to mention they will more than likely come with H4's. Us vw guys do this all the time to improve the absolute horrid headlamps our cars come with. Just for comparison... This picture was taken with the stock 1990 Corrado G60 headlights on my car. 55 watts low beam 9004 bulb. note: My digital camera doesn't caputre ambient lighting to well in low light conditions. This picture was taken three days later after installing stock european spec Corrado G60 headlights. 55 watts low beam H4 bulb. Same stretch of road same time of day. Pretty scary how bad the stockers were, huh? Even without the ambient light you can see how much better the e-spec headlamps are.

01-08-2002, 12:31 AM	#35
jacobhorn Scooby Specialist Member#: 5122 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Maple Leaf Vehicle: 1998 Legacy GT LTD '02 HD Softail Deuce	-- Benjamin Tang: Yes, with stock H4 or 9007 Legacy Headlights, you will lose your High beams with a regular HID kit. You would have to buy a special, dual beam kit to retain your High beams. This is why the Morettes are a great choice if you want to convert to HID. -- Kkozma: To answer you question as to why people don't just buy stock, European spec Legacy headlights instead of Morettes, the stock Euro Leagacy headlights cost as much as 2 times what the Morette Leagacy Headlights sell for. The Morettes are European spec as they are made in France, and their optics are vastly superior to the stock, U.S. spec headlights. I contemplated buying the Stock European Legacy Projector/ Reflector type headlights, but they were much more expensive than the Morettes and their light output was inferior to the Morettes. It is too bad that we cannot just buy E-Spec replacement headlights like VW and BMW folks can, as they are much better than U.S. stock. jacob

01-08-2002, 10:00 PM	#38
HIHO Scooby Specialist Member#: 7624 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Hopefully on a nice single track. Vehicle: BD5; family sedan that just wooped your ass	The Morretes look alot better. I also doubt the optics are as good in the factory (euro) Legacy lights. I just ordered my Morretes for $460 shipped. How much are the Euro Legacy lights?

01-08-2002, 10:05 PM	#39
jacobhorn Scooby Specialist Member#: 5122 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Maple Leaf Vehicle: 1998 Legacy GT LTD '02 HD Softail Deuce	Thanks Dupel, I stand corrected. Do the European lights you are refering to have a projector low beam, like the JDM stock headlights? Or are they just an improved version of our reflector type headlight? Thanks! Legacy Projector type low beam headlights: jacob Last edited by jacobhorn; 01-08-2002 at 11:15 PM.

01-08-2002, 10:10 PM	#40
etam Scooby Specialist Member#: 439 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: yyz Vehicle: www	I think both jacob and dupel are correct: jacob: GTB twin (2 bulbs) beam projector headlight is very expensive! dupel: normal e-code headlight using H4 (??) should be reasonable (just like American one but different reflector). Ernest

01-09-2002, 08:22 AM	#41
kbrate Scooby Newbie Member#: 7472 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Macedon, NY Vehicle: 2001 Legacy Winestone Pearl	Stuck with 9007 OK - I've been following this thread and are there any options for those of us who are "stuck" 9007 Bulbs - Specifically 2000 -2001 Legacy L's. Anyone convert to the dual bulb GT/OB Lights? Worth the dollars? Any other options? KCB

01-09-2002, 08:45 AM	#42
etam Scooby Specialist Member#: 439 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: yyz Vehicle: www	95-98 H4 headlight for $155.. http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/parts1.htm

01-09-2002, 05:12 PM	#43
dupel Scooby Newbie Member#: 11636 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: London Vehicle: 1998 Legacy Spruce Pearl	Euro Legacy lights As far as I know, UK has not seen official GT-B sales. There are neither projector lights, nor combo auxiliary lights in dealers' catalogues, nor other goodies. The only couple of people I know of have imported their GT-Bs from Japan Ordinary Legacy lights are still H4, otherwise they would not be E-code. But no projectors.

01-09-2002, 06:15 PM	#44
gumball Scooby Specialist Member#: 1209 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wheaton, MD	have run Hella Optilux Xenon Plus 80/100 on stock harness for more than an year, no probs. The 97 Legacy doesn't use a forward glare reflector, so there's no discoloration. Light output greatly improved.

01-09-2002, 07:49 PM	#45
jacobhorn Scooby Specialist Member#: 5122 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Maple Leaf Vehicle: 1998 Legacy GT LTD '02 HD Softail Deuce	Just a clarification for Etam's post, Legacy 96-97 = H4 bulbs Legacy 98-99 = 9007 bulbs 98 headlights were changed to a clear lense and different (improved) reflector with a sharper beam cut off. IMHO the 98-99 are only slightly better (comparing my mother's 96 to my 98). jacob

02-12-2002, 05:20 PM	#46
AKSubie Scooby Specialist Member#: 6214 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Wasilly Vehicle: 92 Corrado SLC 01.5 S4	Euro-spec Sourcing Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I may have a line for some Euro-spec (German) 2k2 Headlights for my Legacy. After Looking at Subaru's German site (subaru.de) I really, really want the e-spec lights,not just for looks, (they look identical to the newer B4 lights) but also for the (supposed) better lighting output. So hence my questions: 1) How much better is the stock German Legacy (2002) headlamps compared to our US headlamps really? 2) If, for whatever reason, my contact can not get them, is there another contact (business, other i-club member, etc..) that could get me a set of these? Thanks Later Ben

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