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Old 07-20-2007, 03:29 PM   #1
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:33 PM   #2
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SOLO EVENTS BOARD MINUTES
SOLO EVENTS BOARD MINUTES | June 27, 2007
The Solo Events Board met by conference call June 27. Attending were board members Chris Dorsey, Jason Isley, Ron Bauer, Andy Hollis, Dick Berger, Marcus Merideth, Donnie Barnes, Steve Wynveen, and Tina Reeves. Also attending were Kaye Fairer of the BOD
and Doug Gill of the National Staff. These minutes are presented in topical order rather than in the order of discussion.
Unless noted otherwise the effective date for all rule, class, and listing change proposals herein is 1/1/2008.
Member comments should be sent to seb@scca.com (preferred) or the National Office.
SOLO SAFETY
• The following proposed rule change has been recommended by the SSC and is being submitted for member comment:
Change 3.3.3.B.1 to read as follows: “All loose items, inside and outside the car, must be removed. Hand held items, such as but
not limited to, cameras and cell phones are considered loose items. Passenger’s seat back and squab shall be secured. Any cameras,
if installed, must be securely mounted to withstand loads from driving maneuvers. The camera may be installed either
inside or on the outside of the car. In either case, its mounting method and position must not interfere with driving or pose an
additional hazard to driver, passenger, or course workers.”
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SOLO STREET TOURING CATEGORY
• The implementation date for the following previously-approved proposal is 1/1/2009:
Remove 14.1.B, the allowance for removal of non-optional A/C components.
SOLO MODIFIED CATEGORY
• The previously-published change proposal regarding Rotax 494 RAVE engines in F Modified has been corrected by the MAC
to read as follows:
o Change Appendix A, Modified Class F, A.5, second sentence to read: “Add 50 pounds for AMW and Rotax 494 (RAVE or non-
RAVE) and 493 engines.”
o Add new paragraph to Appendix A, Modified Class F, A.5: “Competitors using the Rotax 494 RAVE engine are required to use
the 494 non-RAVE rotary valve: Rotax part #924509 or 924508, Ski Doo prefix 420, 147 degree designation that opens @
135 degrees BTDC and closes @ 64 degrees ATDC in their engine. RAVE valves shall be blocked in the ‘full open’ position or
left as delivered. No other alterations are permitted. 494 RAVE and non-RAVE parts may not be interchanged between the two
engines unless specifically noted.”
• The MAC has recommended the following rule change proposal, which is being published here for member review:
Delete current rule section 18.2, Sports Racing Cars and replace with:
“18.2 SPORTS RACERS
Closed wheel vehicles are referred to as Sports Racers and are assigned to A, B, and C Modified classes. A Modified vehicles do
not have to comply with any GCR, while B and C Modified vehicles must comply with the current year GCR. The competitor must
indicate on his entry form to which set of specifications that the car is prepared.
Vehicles that qualify as Sports Racers are those listed in the GCR SRCS, dune buggies, and production based automobiles,
whether or not from Appendix A.
Dune buggies and DM/EM cars are allowed in BM at ASR, CSR, and DSR engine and weight rules as long as they do not exceed
the D/E Modified aero rule allowances and with the following noted specifics:
A. Tire covering shall be as noted in the D/E Modified rules
B. Minimum body width between front and rear tires does not have to extend to the mid plane of the rims.
C. Suspension does not have to be covered when observed from above.
D. The BM minimum wheelbase of 80” is not required
Any dune buggy, production, or non-production street car meeting all GCR SRCS rule requirements may alternately run in BM with
full BM SR aero allowances.
The following applies to all Sports Racers in AM, BM, or CM:
1. Minimum track (front and rear) is 42 inches.
2. Minimum wheel diameter is 10 inches. No maximum wheel diameter. No minimum rim width. Maximum rim width is 15 inches.
3. All four wheels are sprung from the chassis.
4. Wing area shall be computed as described in Section 12.9.”
SCCA Fastrack News August 2007 Page 30
MEMBER ITEMS NOT RECOMMENDED
• Formula Junior at Nationals (ref. 07-321)
• Anti-roll bars in Stock (ref. 07-304)
• Honda CRX (’84-’87) classing in Stock (ref. 07-266)
• BMW 323/325 (E46) classing in Stock (ref. 07-296)
• Panel modification for shock access (ref. 07-224)
ITEMS UNDER REVIEW
• Kart safety, Solo Trials events (KAC)
TECH BULLETINS
1) Stock: Per the SAC, change the current GS listing to: “New Beetle 1.8 Turbo” and add an HS listing that reads: “New Beetle
(NOC)” (ref. 07-240)
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Street Touring: Per the STAC, Street Touring competitors are reminded that ST requires all vehicle modifications to be emissions compliant as stated in 14.10.C, 14.10.D, and 14.10.E. All emissions system hardware and software must be operationally functional as originally intended by the manufacturer. Tampering with emissions system software and/or hardware to create or cloak non-compliance is not permitted. Some examples of emissions system tampering are O2 foolers, disabling or deactivating Check Engine Light (CEL) code indication, backdating ECU internals from OBD2 to OBD1, etc.
3) Street Touring: Per the STAC, the present ST rules wording regarding wings and spoilers only allows swapping like for like if
the original device was not an OE option as configured by the factory i.e. a spoiler for a spoiler or a wing for a wing. If a vehicle is available without a wing or spoiler from the manufacturer then either can be installed.
4) Street Modified, Errors and Omissions: The displacement factor application for turbocharged or supercharged engines in SM,
as appearing in Appendix A, should be to add 1.4L to the actual displacement.
5) Prepared, Errors and Omissions: Per the PAC, the displacement factor application for turbocharged or supercharged engines,
XP, as appearing in Appendix A, should be to multiply 1.4 times the actual displacement.
6) Modified: Per the MAC, The 2007 Solo Rules section Modified Class F, C.(Solo V) on page 206, referencing GCR section
12.1.6, should be changed to reference the updated GCR section 9.1.1. This section’s numbers should also be revised/renumbered
to reflect the deletion of GCR C.7 “Ballasting”, which has been removed from this specific GCR section. The referenced
numbers should now be: C.1, C.2, C.3,. C.4, C.6. C.7, C.8, C.9, C.10, C.11, and C.12.
SCCA Fastrack News August 2007 Page 31
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:49 PM   #3
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so heres my question....say dude has a CEL....Can I now Protest his CEL????

amazing...I see this is going to be a strut bar diabolical all over again..seriously...

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Old 07-20-2007, 04:13 PM   #4
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What if he does not show a CEL at all? I don't see them being able to police this effectively via the ECU.
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:20 PM   #5
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Another milestone in the ST implosion.
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:33 PM   #6
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This may change my mind in going to STU next year. I don't want to be in a class that has so much BS going on with it like STS/STS2.
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:56 PM   #7
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So, this wont go in to effect until January 2009 correct?
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:58 PM   #8
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So, this wont go in to effect until January 2009 correct?

No, pretty sure it is a rule as of right now.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:00 PM   #9
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I'll be driving a day on my STX map to see if a CEL pops up with just my stock third cat. If I can drive a few hours before that happens, I'll be sure to reset my ECU before any autox event.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:01 PM   #10
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:05 PM   #11
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I think that is for the rules changes in the class sections above. I think... The tech bulletin, which this is under is usually current. Again, I think.
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So, this wont go in to effect until January 2009 correct?
Only the AC proposal won't go in effect until Jan 09, while the rest will go in effect Jan 08.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:06 PM   #13
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I'll be driving a day on my STX map to see if a CEL pops up. If I can drive a few hours before that happens, I'll be sure to reset my ECU before any autox event.
As I posted in the rear o2 sensor thread, where does it say you can't throw a CEL? Not saying that it doesn't, but I don't really see it. And if you can't throw a CEL, are you sure you can legally reset the ECU and have all the sensor tests in a non-ready state? Would that comply with whatever federal emissions requirements they're referencing? I think someone needs to find the specific DOT regs.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:07 PM   #14
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Well I guess after this season we will see alot of STU guys jump to BSP or some other class. This is just retarded
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:11 PM   #15
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Who should we all send a nasty email to in hopes of reversing this??? lol
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And if you can't throw a CEL, are you sure you can legally reset the ECU and have all the sensor tests in a non-ready state?
I like to switch to a lightweight battery before every competition, which is legal. If that changes what "state" my emissions system is in, well...........I don't see anything illegal with that.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:13 PM   #17
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I can hear the cheering of the folks over on SCCAforums from here...ugh. Ridiculous.

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Only the AC proposal won't go in effect until Jan 09, while the rest will go in effect Jan 08.
Actually, the emissions thing is a "Tech Bulletin", so I believe that it is effective immediately... what a bunch of crap...

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Old 07-20-2007, 05:26 PM   #19
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Actually, the emissions thing is a "Tech Bulletin", so I believe that it is effective immediately... what a bunch of crap...

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Where do you get that? It never mentions that.
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Where do you get that? It never mentions that.
It isn't a new rule, it is a clarification.

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Well lets start our emails to:

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It would make sense to figure out an alternate solution to this issue, before sending a large amount of e-mailing expressing outrage.. any ideas?

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It would make sense to figure out an alternate solution to this issue, before sending a large amount of e-mailing expressing outrage.. any ideas?

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Well here's a question then... The County my car is registered in is not an emissions testing county, so my car is legal in my county and state. Would that not make it legal in every state then? My drivers license is issued in THIS state, but it is still legal in all 50 states!
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Well here's a question then... The County my car is registered in is not an emissions testing county, so my car is legal in my county and state. Would that not make it legal in every state then? My drivers license is issued in THIS state, but it is still legal in all 50 states!
I don't agree with the rules, but according to Doug Gill and this "Tech Bulletin", it has to pass the OBD emissions tests that Subaru put into the ECU without mechanically or electronically bypassing the sensors. It has nothing to do with your car passing tail pipe emissions.

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Well here's a question then... The County my car is registered in is not an emissions testing county, so my car is legal in my county and state. Would that not make it legal in every state then? My drivers license is issued in THIS state, but it is still legal in all 50 states!
So now there are going to be different ST classes based on one's county of residence?
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