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Old 07-24-2007, 09:16 PM   #1
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Angry Scott Speed out of F1

Stu, I know you posted this in the F1 2007 thread, but I think this deserves its own for people who don't check up on that thread.

This is appalling!

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By Adam Cooper Tuesday, July 24th 2007, 17:23 GMT

Scott Speed, Toro RossoScott Speed is resigned to the idea that last weekend's European Grand Prix could be his final race for Scuderia Toro Rosso. In fact, he says, no amount of money would get him to work with his current team bosses in the future.

Speed was among several drivers who ended their races in the Nurburgring gravel trap last Sunday, but for the American, the consequences were to be rather more far reaching than for the others.

After he returned to the pits, the American was involved in an altercation with Scuderia Toro Rosso team principal Franz Tost. The American said nothing to the media at the time, but nevertheless the story subsequently emerged from other sources.

However, Tost played down the incident today in an interview with Blick newspaper, saying that he had merely touched Speed on the shoulder.

In response, Speed has now decided to break his silence and tell his side of the story. While on the way to a Mugello test, he spoke to Adam Cooper about what happened in Germany - and how it might impact on his future.

"Initially I didn't want to come out in the press and talk about this, because after the race Franz spent 15 minutes apologising for his behaviour, because it was clear to everyone that he was way out of line," Speed said this afternoon.

"But after coming out and denying this stuff, it's just another very dishonest thing that Franz or [team co-owner] Gerhard [Berger] have said in the media to damage me and [teammate] Tonio Liuzzi. And at this point, I've had enough.

"And I know that it's going to hurt Red Bull, and that's definitely not my intention, because Dietrich Mateschitz and Red Bull have been a huge support to me. They're the reasons I have achieved everything I have in motor racing.

"But Franz Tost in particular is out of control. The fact of the matter is when we left the pit wall, Franz was furious that I'd crashed in Turn 1, regardless of the fact that nearly every single driver behind [Jenson] Button did the exact same thing, including Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg.

"He (Tost) was furious that I crashed. When I asked him about the pitstop, he said 'it doesn't matter because you crashed', and he didn't want to hear any criticisms about what the team did. He was trying to blame me about the pitstop.

"After that I just turned away and walked towards the garage, and I guess he must have caught up behind me. When he reached me, he hit me in the middle of the back with a closed fist. Everyone in the team saw it.

"As I was leaving the garage he then followed me behind the partition, where none of the mechanics could see. He grabbed me from the front of my shirt, jerked me around, ripping a little bit my fire suit, and pushed me against the wall.

"After that my only response was to back up in the middle of the garage and ask him if he wanted to hit me in front of everyone else."

Q: So did anybody see what happened when he grabbed you?

Speed: "There were a couple of people who saw. He grabbed me right below the neck, on my fireproof t-shirt, and jerked me back and forth, let go, and then pushed me into the wall behind where the cars are. There were two team people there, and another person, who saw it."

Q: What happened next - is it true that you went to Gerhard and said something?

Speed: "Immediately after that situation, as you can imagine I was furious. I walked to the pit wall and wanted to inform everyone that this happened. So I looked at my team manager, the technical director, and Gerhard Berger, and told them that if my team chief ever touches me again, I'm going to knock him out.

"They said 'OK, let's try to calm this whole situation down'. I said fine, and I went back in my room [in the motorhome] and I stayed there until the end of the race. At which point, Gerhard and Franz both came back. Franz was calmed down and spent 15 minutes apologising for his behaviour."

Q: And that was the end of it, as far as you were concerned?

Speed: "Yeah. At that point I as well had a talk with Gerhard, and it was very clear that they have a different expectation of what they think is possible to do in the cars, and they are going to continue to point the finger at us drivers until they get the change that they want."

Q: And you haven't talked to them since Sunday?

Speed: "No, I haven't talked to anyone since Sunday."

Q: What are your thoughts about what happened in the race?

Speed: "In this situation, if you look at the facts of the race, the only mistake that was done was by the team in the pitstop. Because Scott and Tonio Liuzzi came from 18th and 19th to coming into the pits in sixth and seventh to change tyres.

"We came into the pitstop, and the mix-up was that I passed Tonio in the last sector, and it took the team one minute and five seconds of pitstop time to figure out how to change the tyres on the car. The same exact thing happened to Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen, because Kimi missed the pit entry, and they were able to do a pit stop in 30 seconds.

"So the team made a huge mistake, and no one wants to take the blame for that. The fact of the matter is when I came around into Turn 1, there was no way I was going to stay on the track. I braked 300 metres before the corner, and I did not start slowing down until I hit the gravel.

"I was aquaplaning all the way down into the corner like nearly every single driver after Jenson. I can't say I made a mistake, because if I had to do the whole thing again, there was no possible way to realise that was going to happen.

"It's not just like going off the track a bit, it was like being in a place that was completely unsafe to drive. And after that incident they put the safety car out, and no other car went into Turn 1 at speed."

Q: Are you worried about your future with the team?

Speed: "To be honest, the only thing I'm worried about is my relationship with Red Bull, because obviously Franz Tost and Gerhard Berger have been pushing the same dishonesty to the media, and I'm worried that might have ruined my relationship with Red Bull.

"Because Red Bull has been amazing to me, and I think we fit together really good, and it's a shame to let these two people ruin the whole thing.

"As far as my future in F1 is concerned, you couldn't pay me enough money to race for those two people again. If it was with a different team, that would be great, but I would also like to do something else with Red Bull, even if it was outside F1. Like I said, my relationship with Red Bull has been fantastic."

Q: But do you anticipate that there might be a lot of stuff going on in the next week, and you'll end up not driving in Hungary?

Speed: "I think with these two, you never know. Everything that's ever happened in the press and the media has always been a surprise, because they do everything behind everyone else's back."

Q: And you're happy that all of this is on record?

Speed: "It's the truth, and at the end of the day, I think it's time it came out."
Then the article claiming the boot... (no official statement yet, though)

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Written by: Robin Miller Indianapolis, Ind. – 7/24/2007

Scott Speed walks away from his Scuderia Toro Rosso ride after crashing at the Nurburgring. (Photo: Getty Images)

Two weeks after it was announced Formula 1 was leaving the United States, the lone American in the series is now gone.

SPEEDtv.com has learned that Scott Speed will be replaced -- immediately -- on the Scuderia Toro Rosso Formula 1 team following a stormy weekend at the Nurburgring.

A source inside the Red Bull-sponsored team confirmed that Speed got his walking papers Monday after a physical confrontation with team manager Franz Tost. German Sebastian Vettel is the likely choice to replace the young American.

"As far as I know, Scott has not been released and he's planning to go to the test this week in Italy," said Mike Speed, father of the former go-kart star, from his California home on Monday night.

"But, obviously, there's been a lot of things going on."

After spinning out of last Sunday's German Grand Prix, along with six other drivers during a sudden downpour at the 'Ring, Speed and Tost got into a shouting, then shoving match.

And this came on the heels of the 24-year-old's first public statements about his treatment since becoming a full-time F1 regular in 2006.

“It’s clear that from my bosses, that me and Tonio (Liuzzi) both have very little support," Speed told RACER magazine's Adam Cooper last weekend. "It’s been that way for the last two years, and it’s a lot more now. At some point I said I don’t care, if I’m not in F1 next year, if I’m with a different team, it’s OK for me. It’s actually made me lot more relaxed and a lot more calm, and I think I’m producing better results now actually.

"It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that Franz and Gerhard (Berger) are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio."

Even though Speed has out-performed his teammate this year, neither has scored a point and Scott's best showing was ninth at the Canadian Grand Prix. The Toro Rosso team is under-funded, by F1 standards, and half of Speed's eight DNFs in 2007 have been mechanical failures.

SPEEDtv.com speculated several weeks ago that three-time Champ Car king Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Senna would replace Speed and Liuzzi in 2008 but, if Vettel is released from his contract with BMW, it appears he will join Bourdais.

"Nothing is official, they (Toro Rosso) have an option on me that expires at the end of this month so if something is going to happen it will have to be soon," said Bourdais, who tested for the third time with Toro Rosso earlier this month.

Speed was first chosen by the energy drinks company as part of its U.S.-based Red Bull Driver Search program, which funded the Californian's climb through Europe's junior formulae ranks all the way to F1. It's logical he might be able to use that connection to come to Champ Car since that series needs young American drivers. Co-owners Gerald Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven currently sport Red Bull sponsorship.

"We haven't discussed anything like that," said Mike Speed. "Scott never wanted to do anything but F1 and I don't think that's changed."

It's been a hell of a season for American F1 fans.

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Old 07-24-2007, 09:22 PM   #2
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Lots of hearsay in those. Nothing confirmed. Although writing seems to be on the wall.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:29 PM   #3
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I figure yesterday's article is also appropriate now...

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By Pablo Elizalde Monday, July 23rd 2007, 10:28 GMT

Scott Speed has hit out at Toro Rosso bosses Gerhard Berger and Franz Tost, saying they are "pushing like hell" to get rid of him and teammate Tonio Liuzzi next season.

Speed's 2007 deal with Toro Rosso was delayed until late in February, with team co-owner Berger saying the American needed to show more commitment in order to stay at the Italian squad.

Berger has made no secret of the fact that the team are interested in Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais, who has an option with Toro Rosso for 2008.

Speed angrily hit out at Berger and Tost following the European Grand Prix, saying both him and teammate Liuzzi have very little support from them.

"Gerhard and Franz have their own ideas about what they want to do with their future, and they say things accordingly," Speed told the SpeedTV website.

"That's nothing to do with my performance on the track, that's for sure. It's clear that from my bosses me and Tonio both have very little support.

"It's been that way for the last two years, and it's a lot more now. At some point I said I don't care - if I'm not in F1 next year, if I'm with a different team, it's OK for me. It's actually made me lot more relaxed and a lot more calm, and I think I'm producing better results, actually.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that Franz and Gerhard are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio."

Both Speed and Liuzzi retired from the European Grand Prix after spinning off before the end of lap three.

The team's usual post-race press release only said "Nothing to say".
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:32 PM   #4
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It really is a sad story that thing like this can happen. This type of situation deserves it's own thread if you ask me.

I'm really having hard time putting my thoughts together, this situation is very appalling to me.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:33 PM   #5
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Thanks for acknowledging my post It does deserve its own thread. I'm guessing he wishes he had fought back now.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:35 PM   #6
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Top to bottom that team has problems. I can't imagine why Bourdais would want to go there to begin with.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:55 PM   #7
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I am curious what non-American F1 fans think about this.

Considering we are a rarity in the sport our point of view may be diffirent, but I can't imagine this is a ripple in the pond, even for the Europeans.
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Wow. Thats horrible!
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I am curious what non-American F1 fans think about this.

Considering we are a rarity in the sport our point of view may be diffirent, but I can't imagine this is a ripple in the pond, even for the Europeans.
I know that a lot of the fans hate Speed's attitude and tact. But I've also read some responses where they think it's unfair for Toro Rosso to kick Speed off for not really doing anything.
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Well, not to blame Scott (b/c who really knows what goes on behind the scenes) but such extensive negative comments to the media about your team managers and crew chief will not likely get you far. I wonder if and what Liuzzi has been saying...
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Maybe they were just looking for an excuse to boot the guy. He's done nothing in F1 worth talking about.
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9th at Monaco with only three retirements isn't bad in my book.

Especially considering how competative the car was at the time

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/774/

had he scored a point there, I think things would be much different.

3rd place in the GP2 championship for 2005.

2004 Formula Renault German and Eurocup champion.

From F1's site, of course. I wonder how long he will be up there.

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Well, not to blame Scott (b/c who really knows what goes on behind the scenes) but such extensive negative comments to the media about your team managers and crew chief will not likely get you far. I wonder if and what Liuzzi has been saying...
Considering Liuzzi is in Italy testing with Toro Rosso and Scott is not.... I would assume Liuzzi is keeping his mouth shut.
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Maybe they were just looking for an excuse to boot the guy. He's done nothing in F1 worth talking about.
Has Toro Rosso done anything in F1 worth talking about? I think Scott has a point here.

This quote also sums up STR quite well:
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Also, I like Liuzzi very much, but you have to wonder if his Italian nationality is what keeps him favored more than Scott in the Italian STR team.

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I always pegged Berger for an a-hole. I loathed him in F1 Pole Position on the SNES.

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So he's a little better than one of the worst guys in F1? He's had great success in the past. I give him that. But seriously - nothing in F1.

But at the same time you have to have the full package to be competitive on this stage. He doesn't have the car to make it happen.
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Sad...that team needs help.
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We'll know more tomorrow when Scott is scheduled to test.
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Toro Rosso deny Speed's exit


Scuderia Toro Rosso team have denied reports that Scott Speed has been dismissed following the European Grand Prix.

The only American driver in Formula One hit out at Toro Rosso bosses Gerhard Berger and Franz Tost after the Nurburgring race, saying they wanted to get rid of him and teammate Tonio Liuzzi.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that (team principal) Franz and (co-owner) Gerhard are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio," Speed told the SpeedTV website.

Both Speed and Liuzzi skidded out of Sunday's race after only a couple of laps.

Berger said on Friday that Toro Rosso had an option on ChampCar champion Sebastien Bourdais for 2008.

On Tuesday, however, a Toro Rosso spokesperson denied reports that Speed had left the team, and said the American was still scheduled to test at Mugello on Wednesday and Thursday.

"There's no truth in that and Scott is also planned to be driving for our test in Mugello tomorrow and the day after tomorrow," she said.
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As far as my future in F1 is concerned, you couldn't pay me enough money to race for those two people again.
So after saying that, if he still drives for Torro Rosso, what does that make him?

He's gone dude. Unless they fire Berger and the other guy, nobody will respect him if he isn't out of the team.
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He's still under contract with the team, when he was saying that, he was meaning for next year I assume.

Looks like he is testing right now, so he's probably still with the team!
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Well that's good news. Hopefully he can finish out the season and score a few points to rub it in their face!
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So after saying that, if he still drives for Torro Rosso, what does that make him?

He's gone dude. Unless they fire Berger and the other guy, nobody will respect him if he isn't out of the team.
I think Berger wons 51% of STR. I know the deal goes pretty deep. He owns a trucking line in Austria and now that trucking line delivers Red Bull product across Europe so I don't think he is going anywhere anytime soon.
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Yeah, Berger owns a majority of STR. After something like this comes out, Tost could be out, but I doubt that Berger will be.
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So after saying that, if he still drives for Torro Rosso, what does that make him?

He's gone dude. Unless they fire Berger and the other guy, nobody will respect him if he isn't out of the team.
"As far as my future in F1 is concerned, you couldn't pay me enough money to race for those two people again."

In my interpretation of this statement, "again" means next year, not the remaining races this year.

Also, it wouldn't be difficult for Speed to remain with the team next year and not lose the respect of pitlane. If there are major attitude changes in the team, perhaps on both sides, Speed doesn't have to leave. He just would need to come out with a statement that says he believes the team is really behind him now and the future looks great.

I highly doubt that things can turn around at this point, though.

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Maybe they were just looking for an excuse to boot the guy. He's done nothing in F1 worth talking about.
I think this statement is a bit ignorant. The car is one of the most significant parts of the formula in F1. If both team drivers are extremely close in laptime consistently, it's a pretty good bet that they are getting the most out of the car. It's fairly clear, in my mind, that the cars are what are holding Speed and Liuzzi up. If they were both poor drivers, they wouldn't consistently be so close to each other in laptimes.

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Speed tested at Mugello today. Was faster than Liuzzi's quickest time yesterday with half the laps, but they were different days and they could've been on different programs.

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