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Old 07-28-2007, 03:33 AM   #1
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Hey guys, 3 reasons for my new thread, first, to thank Brad for the killer tunes and Chris for having a nice shop...these guys are my home base if you can call it that, I'm in the New Orleans area, EL is in Houston, so 5+ hours they're my first and closest choice for Protuning.

Second, I'm proud of my set up, and just wanna rant a bit

And last, for all you stage 4 guys, this thread should give some positive insight to what the smaller "might do laters" can do for the car.

Quick rundown of complete mods to my 05 5spd wrx
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castrol semi senthetic 5w30 every 3-4000 miles
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Helix 660cc injectors
Perrin crank pulley
Perrin front mount

I originally had the car tuned in 06 by Brad without the header, larger upipe, front mount and short ram and made 260whp and 233wtq on their low reading DynoDynamics. The car ran high 12s initially that summer and 12.6-12.7 winter time...After a few months, I picked up a GT-spec header on ebay, and mated that up to my at the time APS uppipe...it was winter time, the car shocked me on a nice 40 degree nite, and ran 12.3-12.4 the entire nite, traps ranged from 108-110. Confirming what I pretty much new, I took the car back to Brad, and with a few tweaks to the map for the headers, and the short ram I installed a few weeks after the header, the car was making 276whp and 269wtq! From the headers mostly, cause I was still running an AVO tmic at the time, the short ram was just added for mods to come. So I gained 16whp and !!36wtq!! from headers and a short ram! The car was fun, but checking over my mods, I new there was more possible. Living in south Louisiana, and drag racing as much as I am with my daily driver, I knew a front mount would be a smart move. So on went a Perrin front mount, out went the AVO tmic. Then the last bottle neck that I kept in the back of my mind was the APS uppipe I had. The GT-spec headers had picked up big time bottom end, but I knew that having a 2 1/2" collector on the header, and probably less than a 2" inlet on the uppipe was definately not good for flow. My last step was to get the GT-spec uppipe, and make sure everything was gasket and port matched to have a nice high flow into the ported turbo inlet. Now, tiying it together, I went to EngineLogics this past monday to visit Brad, and laid down (on 93 pump still) 293.9whp, and 281wtq! I was and still am thrilled, the car is an animal, Brad tells me he has only seen one other 2 liter wrx make more power on their dyno(305whp) and that was on an 03 with a 20g and meth!

I did take the car to the track a few nites ago and did see a 109+ trap, which is about 2mph more than what I'd get before this tune on a 90 degree, 90% humidity nite. They were prepping the track for a big race this weekend, so my times were basically normal, 12.6-12.7s, but the sticky track had my 60s more than a tenth off or my average low 1.7s. Like I said, it feels good, and I will be back to the track this wednesday if weather permits, looking for some better short times and lower ETs.

My long term goal for this turbo and pump gas is 11.9, I don't know if its possible, but come wintertime, I'll know for sure if its doable. Well, thanks for looking guys...

and without further rambling I give you:

The place


The car (has a new CF Kaminari reverse cowl hood now!! I'll add a pic later)


The engine


And results (first the new graph, and the last is my original 260/233 tune overlayed with the new 293/281 tune)



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Old 07-28-2007, 07:01 AM   #2
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congrats trey! You worked hard on that thing, and it really shows. Minimal, but well thought out mods have really paid off... Where are you going next with it?

Did allen ever get his car running?
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Old 07-28-2007, 07:44 AM   #3
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Congrats on the car, Brad and Chris are great guys they did an awesome job on my car also. I cant wait to see if you can get down in the 11's come winter time.

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Old 07-28-2007, 10:45 AM   #4
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awesome man! My blouch evo3 16g goes on and gets tuned August 13th...now you're making me want to buy a header before I get tuned...damn it!
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:51 AM   #5
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good deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:56 PM   #6
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Thanks guys...

Nate...Allens car is still sitting...hes probably going to go back to EngineLogics soon. Next steps for my car will be a long way off...hopefully!! and it'll be a mild build on the stock bottom end, with Chris doing some head work and cams. And if the tranny ever goes south, a helical PPG 1-4 along with it. I I ever gather the funds to do the above mods, then I'll certainly test the limits of this set up with some more boost before hand...nothin like goin out with a bang...although with some of these high power rotated 2.0 set ups poping up here and there, I may be good to go as is!

Erexx definately get a header, plenty worth while. Get the GT-spec type that includes the larger diameter uppipe...its a proven piece!

11s would be killer, I know its so been done before, but not on an all pump gas 16g set up like mine...I'd say if its possible, it'll happen.

ttyl fellas

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Old 07-28-2007, 01:25 PM   #7
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Good times.. 109mph trap is moving pretty good. im sure you'll get your lower e.t.s in time
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:57 PM   #8
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i want those numbers with my evo III 16g ... i need to be retuned
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:24 AM   #9
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Looks like another great job. EL FTW
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:25 AM   #10
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Another nice car from Chris and Brad. EngineLogics FTW.
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Old 07-29-2007, 11:41 AM   #11
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In the next 2 weeks I will be back at EL for my 20G tune....I can't freegin wait!!
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:51 PM   #12
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Nice numbers, but seems a little laggy (full torque at 5K)..... Would you attribute that to the header??
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:53 PM   #13
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Congrats!! I Loved my EL tune. Your numbers look familiar.

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Old 07-29-2007, 04:28 PM   #14
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Nice numbers, but seems a little laggy (full torque at 5K)..... Would you attribute that to the header??
Its actually not bad at all, it hits so hard that the so called lag followed by the torque rush is really what I love about well powered turbo cars in general. And look over my post, and look at the two graphs, the headers were one of the main reasons the torque increased as much as it did.

Matt, your numbers are equally impressive man...whats the entire set up?

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Old 07-29-2007, 05:14 PM   #15
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you need more boost, your not even pushing that 16g. you'll do 11's only after you have increased your boost a bit. good numbers either way.
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More boost is in the plans, but I want to run the set up as is in good weather before I go more boost. I also plan to keep it an all pump gas car, so if race gas is needed for more boost than it is what it is. And honestly, your assesment may be true, but the car has run 12.3@110 with the original 260/233 whp/wtq tune on this same dyno...so 34 more whp, and 48 more wtq, ought to be enough for 11s.

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Old 07-29-2007, 09:42 PM   #17
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from what I have seen, getting into the 12's is the easy part. its those last 2-3/10's to get out that are the hard part for the EJ205's on bolt-on turbo's smaller than a 20g.
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Old 07-29-2007, 11:13 PM   #18
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Very nice numbers! I'm looking forward to me re-tune by EL...
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Old 07-29-2007, 11:19 PM   #19
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No doubt Hank...and thats why I've enjoyed this build so much, I'm very much into the underdog thing...other wise I'd have just done an 18g or bigger. Between all the other items I've done on the car, I could have done a full rotated kit with a mild short block build and stand alone. I like mine like it is. One item I'll likely need when I do turn up the boost is an upgraded WG actuator...thats pretty much my limiting factor now, the standard 8 or 9 psi actuator dips below 20 past about 6k...reguardless of the boost control settings.

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Congrats Trey.....good looking numbers. If I was back down in Lafayette I would have to challenge you to a run at no problem
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:40 AM   #21
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Haha...Okan if your back in town, and feel up for a wednesday nite test n tune, shoot me a pm, I'm almost always game! What mods do you have engine wise?

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I've got a 2.5 block with a 20g. All supporting mods, but no meth. That graph was on 17 psi. For some reason I was maxing out the Deatschwerks 740's. At 17 psi they were hitting 90% idc. Meth or larger injectors and I'd be able to push it a lot farther.
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Awesome Matt...any track numbers? I'm trying to figure out how mines gonna do in some decent weather. I picked up some trap speed last wednesday, but the track was being prepped for a big race over the weekend, so my 60s were lacking a tenth or more. But all things considered, its feeling very strong...especially up top. You know, I need to check out my IDC as well, I'm only running 660s on 93, so I bet I'm at or over 90% too...lol and I figured when everyone was doing STi pinks with the 16g's, my 660s would have been plenty...I guess injectors will have to be on things to do list if I go further.

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Dizam! You making me jealous Trey!

I have a few questions for you:
- Are you using the APv1 or AP2? (If you are using the AP2 did Brad merge the new LC and FFS logic into your custom map?)

- At what point did you upgrade to the larger injectors? (When Brad tuned my completely stock 06 STI he noticed my injectors were already getting into the 90% idc range, but he did increase my hp from 214 stock to 243 with nothing but a Cobb AP2).

Congrats on the great tune! EL FTW!!!
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Hey Brian...

I'm still old school with the AP1...I'd thought of switching over to the AP2, but I practically bounce off the rev limiter when I'm shifting at the track anyhow, so I'd be doing for launch control, which would definately be nice, but I'll wait till its a bit more proven to fork over the extra funds for it.

I didn't do the injector upgrade till the day I installed the turbo. But I do remember logging mid to high 90% IDC when the car was stage 2...that was a cobb ots 93 octane high waste gate map. I ran the car like that for about a year. I was getting 13.2-13.4@100 at that point with no issues. I had heard from more than one shop that the STi's would max out their stock injectors on a good stage 2 protune, so maybe a fuel pump and some 700+cc injectors would be a good idea when you take that step.

My car runs awesome man...no issues at all. Brad has really gotten efficient with the protuning, I remember going there the first time, and he sounded kind of dissapointed that I didn't have utec, this go round, maybe 6 pulls on the dyno and we were road testing it. I'm proud to have my little tuned by EL stickers on the side of the car

I may try and go to no problem this wednesday nite, I'll be watching the weather for it.

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