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Old 01-24-2004, 02:12 PM   #276
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Most of us are having the problem that we are out of warrany but don't feel that we should have to

A) Take of the intake manifold ourselves to get at all the problem areas properly or

B) Pay the dealer $300 to do it.
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Old 01-24-2004, 02:40 PM   #277
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I still have the bumper to bumper on my car.....but would the powertrain warranty have covered that?????
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Old 01-24-2004, 05:28 PM   #278
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Yes powertrain warranty will cover it. BTW my smell is back. I had it in for the NHSTB last year. It has been bitter cold for a couple of weeks now. I'll be brining it back soon.
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Old 01-24-2004, 06:51 PM   #279
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Yes powertrain warranty will cover it. BTW my smell is back. I had it in for the NHSTB last year. It has been bitter cold for a couple of weeks now. I'll be brining it back soon.
The fuel leak problem is NOT covered by the powertrain warranty. If you mean you had a fuel leak fixed last year per the SOA TSB when you write "had it in for the NHSTB last year," then you're likely wrong again. The TSB and the redesigned fuel line parts only became available in April, 2003 which was, for most of the country, long after the end of winter and the type of weather which seems to cause this problem
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Old 01-24-2004, 11:46 PM   #280
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Just picked up an 02' WRX 4 Door. Live in the Great White North and after 2 day's I am experiencing the odour of fuel in the cabin of the car.

I thought it was something I tossed in the back after work today, but after removing all items and a trip to Chapters, the odour was just as strong. A quick visual inspection in the -19 C temps reveals strong pungent odour near the right front quadrandt of the engine. futher to discover the drip drip drip of fuel from particular fuel line.

This 02' WRX has low klms. While I first thought it's possible for anything to happen at any time, I thought I should investigate furhter. Within 5 minutes of a GOOGLE search, I have found this Site featuring what seems to me to be proof beyond and reasonable doubt that, a) there seems to be a definate defect in mechanical workmanship and b) the potential for serious safety hazards.

I took a quick jog over to ALLDATA which will list all manufacture's Recalls and TSB to find not a thing, then to discover here the bulettin itself. Seems as if there is a coverup of some sorts.

If a Tsb is in the books or on file at Subaru Of North America and a cars is under warranty displaying the symptom, or even if the customer is indicating the presence, then this alone should warrant the repair. Fire is no joke!

I will be making a trip to the dealer first thing Monday morning to investigate the matter, I hope not to meet a stone wall.

One thing cannot fathom one bit is that where we have a problem with fule leakage so near to the presence of a high heat itme such as a turbo charger that a car maker could be so defiantly inept to make so difficult a process for satisfying the needs for its consumer.

Let's be real, this is a high performance automobile not some toy, and I thnk it time for Subaru to step up to the plate if they want to keep customers and expect them to pay the $$$$$ for the top line WRX and WRX Sti.....

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Old 01-25-2004, 09:34 AM   #281
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Unhappy car still at dealer

Well Finally got dealer to admit there was a problem, I'm lucky still under warranty.

But my wrx has been at the dealer for 2 weeks waiting for the metal tube part that is on back order.

Guy from Subaru corporate said that they would cover rental car due to the fact they did not want me driving a car leaking fuel.

But the rental car will be over 500 dollars before i get my car back, I will have to talk to subaru again to find out how long it will take to get reimbursed for the rental car, let alone to see if the repair actaually fixes the problem.

Due to the fact I live in the Washington DC area,
the person I spoke to from the NHTSA said he would come out and take photos of my car even after the work is done an he wants copies of all the work invoices from the dealership.

Hopefully Subaru will eventuallty have to answer to all these problems they have caused for everyone.

I'm never going to buy a car in it's 1st model year in the U.S ever again!!!

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Old 01-25-2004, 10:48 AM   #282
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The fuel leak problem is NOT covered by the powertrain warranty. If you mean you had a fuel leak fixed last year per the SOA TSB when you write "had it in for the NHSTB last year," then you're likely wrong again. The TSB and the redesigned fuel line parts only became available in April, 2003 which was, for most of the country, long after the end of winter and the type of weather which seems to cause this problem
Sorry I did mean the TSB, I misspoke. As for when I had my car repaired...Last year was 2003, correct? I think I can remember when I had my own car in to be worked on. I handed the mechanic the TSB and he told me I was covered under the powertrain warranty. Maybe he meant to say something different. You could correct him if you want. Please don't split hairs in a post that is supposed to be here for the benefit of others.
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Old 01-25-2004, 03:18 PM   #283
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Is there any type of "law" stating that the car dealership needs to address service bulletins that are out for a car before they resell it. I'm just wondering cause I bought my rex about 2.5 months ago with 31000 miles on it. I would have thought that Subaru would fix a problem like this before they resold it but apparently I was wrong.
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:07 PM   #284
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I guess I'm Lucky number 10054866

Anybody experiencing a pleasant "buzz" with the heater on high at a stop light? You can't buy stuff this good on the streets. Printed the TSB, taking it to the dealer on Tuesday. See what he says.

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Old 01-30-2004, 05:27 PM   #285
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Real freakin' nice. Put me on the fuel smell list. The problem happened last night, car was outside at work all night (3p to 11p) and then the smell, wow. The only thing is I have a MY02 OBS and I haven't seen any 2.5 NA's on this list of complaints. I'm dropping it off at the dealer Sun night for them to smell it Mon morn. 22K, was -1F out, went away after a couple minutes.
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Old 02-02-2004, 10:13 AM   #286
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I just called my dealer to see if they had received the parts that were on order yet. Of course they haven't and they have no idea when they will be in. Oh joy! More times driving around sucking in fumes. Something tells me Subaru is purposefully waiting until March so most of the cold weather will be over. That way they can have another 8 months to figure out a fix as well as give more time for warranties to expire. Man anybody want to buy a black '02 wagon with a gas leak?
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Old 02-02-2004, 10:15 AM   #287
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Upon reaching mnpls after a 37- night, the cabin filled with fuel smell making my family sick. Took it to a dealer who said SOA is well aware of the prob, considers the repair critical, and has a bulletin to all dealers to fix it. I was told by the service rep that it is a faulty fuel rail. They gave me a loaner OB to use until repair is done.

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Old 02-02-2004, 02:59 PM   #288
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Please- everyone who is getting this take the few minutes and fill the form at NHSTA

That's the first 03 I've heard having the leak-hmmm.

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Old 02-03-2004, 12:12 PM   #289
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I have had the problem many times now this (cold) winter in my 02 WRX. Filed a complaint with NHSTA. The dealership est was $500 to fix the problem. I am 1k miles out of warranty.
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Old 02-03-2004, 02:39 PM   #290
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Does anybody know if the TSB (09-36-03) specifies just one new pipe, and one new hose? or a pair?

The arrows only point to one pipe and hose, but the text repairs to a "set"

I'm hoping to have this done only once, and the local dealer thinks it is just a single pipe and hose.

Anyone know for sure? Thanks.
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Old 02-03-2004, 03:02 PM   #291
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Does anybody know if the TSB (09-36-03) specifies just one new pipe, and one new hose? or a pair?

The arrows only point to one pipe and hose, but the text repairs to a "set"

I'm hoping to have this done only once, and the local dealer thinks it is just a single pipe and hose.

Anyone know for sure? Thanks.
it should be two fuel lines- they run side by side underneath the tubo inlet pipe.
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Old 02-03-2004, 06:18 PM   #292
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subaru says it's just one of the 2 fuel lines in the TSB diagram. One pipe, and one hose -- the outermost (furthest front) of the 2 fuel lines.

so the fix requires qty 1 - 17544AA134 and qty 1 - 807707140 hose.

Do you know different from a knowledgable source that the inner fuel line also needs replacing? If so, the pipe has a different length and curvature so it would be a 3rd part #.
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Old 02-03-2004, 09:58 PM   #293
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i just looked at the TSB and your right they only replace one of the two lines- the passenger side one. Hopefully they would tighten the other one while in there. They run side by side only seprated by ~1/2".

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Old 02-04-2004, 10:40 AM   #294
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along with the pipes they need to replace a some gaskets as they will be opening up a few places to get at the pipes that need replacing. Go back and check the parts that myself and others listed in their posts and check with your dealer about them. I would dig up the list but I am really too swamped at work right now to do so.
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Old 02-04-2004, 01:25 PM   #295
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Hi Operawrx,
Thanks so much for info on the gaskets. I've been running searches in this forum, and your username, but haven't come up with part #'s needed for the gasket(s) etc. when removing/replacing the manifold. Any tips on where to search would help, to make sure the dealer has *all* parts ready to go, not just the 2 tsb specified P/Ns. Thanks!
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Old 02-04-2004, 04:37 PM   #296
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Default reusable manifold gaskets?

The dealer told the non tech subaru rep that my 02 wrx (built and sold in '01) has a "2 part manifold. and only the top part of the manifold needs to come off and the gasket here is reusable, so no brand new gaskets are needed in the fuel line fix.

Make any sense?
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Old 02-04-2004, 05:49 PM   #297
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This is the list I posted on page 10 of this thread.

1754AA134 PIPE CP FUEL quantity 1
807707140 HOSE quantity 1
14035AA421 GASKET INTAK quantity 2
14075AA160 GASKET INTAK quantity 2

that's what my dealer is ordering. The first time the problem was "fixed" they didn't change the gaskets. This time they are going to do that probably with crossed fingers.
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Old 02-04-2004, 06:37 PM   #298
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Exactly what I needed.
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Old 02-04-2004, 06:53 PM   #299
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Opera, Here's some more scoop that I'm hoping for resolution on. The local dealer thinks they can fix it by pulling only the "top" of the 2 piece manifold, and reusing these gaskets.

By not pulling the "bottom" part of the manifold they don't think they need these additional gaskets.

I am getting different inputs from SOA, one rep saying it sounds like a good idea, another going by the book and saying that if the TSB says to remove and replace the "manifold" and in any of that process requires new parts, they should be installed as new, not used.

So it's end of day, but I will see what SOA's resolution on the gasket requirements are. The consensus is though, that if your lower manifold was removed, and new gaskets weren't used to for replacement, that is a bad thing.

So the thing in question is if Subaru is going to let this dealer pull only the "top" manifold portion, and reuse top manifold gaskets.

I should know tomorrow.
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Old 02-04-2004, 10:23 PM   #300
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The intake manifold is one piece, unless there talking about the TGV's sitting below- either way the gaskets should always be replaced- no if's, and's or but's about it. The factory manual says do it- they should be doing it-period.

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