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Old 01-05-2009, 03:57 PM   #101
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I took the car back to the same shop yesterday afternoon and they redid the alignment. It's an independent shop in town and I get along with them pretty well. I still don't know why they set the car to zero camber because I didn't ask for that. All I asked for was zero toe. My mistake was talking myself into thinking they had a good reason for the zero camber.

All is well now. I've got -1.2 on the camber, the toe is zero at .01 and -.01. I can set up more negative camber next time if I want. The tech said resetting negative camber helped to correct the the caster numbers: now 2.8 and 3.1. I don't know what to make of that.

Yes, the car feels more like it should in turns. I've got a better idea of what these print-out numbers look like now. Wish I took a better look at them the first time.
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Old 01-05-2009, 05:19 PM   #102
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ok. good deal then. I'll see about getting the alignment checked after the new tires are installed.
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:36 AM   #103
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I had these for about 1000 miles (245/40/18). So far, so good. There are indeed nosier than Dunlop Sport 600, but it feels like these have stiffer sidewall. Also, these were little biatchi to get good balancing due to heavy weight. Other than these issues, I love them. It seems like more grip than Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S (despite that they were 225/40/18), especially in the RAIN. These are good as Falken FK452 in wet traction goes. :bigthumb:

My only concern is that how LOUD these will get as they wear out. Hopefully, there are bearable. If you don't expect Lexus smoothness and quietness, you will love these.
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:57 AM   #104
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I had these for about 1000 miles (245/40/18). So far, so good. There are indeed nosier than Dunlop Sport 600, but it feels like these have stiffer sidewall. Also, these were little biatchi to get good balancing due to heavy weight. Other than these issues, I love them. It seems like more grip than Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S (despite that they were 225/40/18), especially in the RAIN. These are good as Falken FK452 in wet traction goes. :bigthumb:

My only concern is that how LOUD these will get as they wear out. Hopefully, there are bearable. If you don't expect Lexus smoothness and quietness, you will love these.
just make SURE the toe is '0' and STAYS '0' all the way around
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:21 AM   #105
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I've had these on for about 11k miles now, last 500 miles of them on RCET0's.

I've had all my alignment done by DPS, and I didn't notice anything till about 2k miles ago. I get a definite hum starting at like 50mph that increases to a whine @ like 75-80mph. Certainly noticeable, but nothing like BryanH's problem where he couldn't even have a conversation.

I know on my RCET0's right now they are set to neutral alignment (waiting to go back and get a slightly more negative camber done)

Performance of the tire is not in question, fantastic for as long as Ive had em

Just thought I'd update the situation. FYI 245/40/17's on 17x8.5
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:20 AM   #106
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ok, picked up a set of these today. 215/45/17 on stock 06 WRX wheels (soon to be 17x7.5 Rota Subzeros). Two questions:

Is there an allignment thread on what is recommended for tire longevity? I'd like these tires to last a long while.

This size tire will fit well on a 7.5 wide wheel right? the stock wheels are 7" if i remember correctly.

Initial impressions - quieter than re92 tires and gripier. satisfied.

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Old 07-07-2009, 08:00 AM   #107
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Make sure your toe settings are zero all around - that will maximize tires life.
Camber is not that important until you get into higher numbers.

The tires will fit fine on a 7.5 wheel.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:44 AM   #108
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I have a set of 225/45/17 on stock wheels for the last 31,xxx miles. I still have at least 10k miles left on them. Of course where and how you drive will make a big difference. I commute 180 miles round trip to work, so mine are mostly straight line freeway miles. But I do go on the backroads when I get a chance. They have been great all season tires. They are pretty grippy in the dry, and they are fine in the rain and light snow. My alignment settings are 0 toe all around and -1.9 camber front and rear. I rotate every oil change.

My only complaint is as they wear down, they are getting louder. But it is not terrible, and they are holding up fine...
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:17 AM   #109
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I know that before they got loud as hell for me I much preferred them over the re960's I have now. The re960's are quiet....but mushy. I miss the traction of the Goodyears. I need to get a set of summer tires and get the suspension checked out by a shop that really knows what they are doing.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:13 AM   #110
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Let me know when you find that place, Bryan. My Eagle F1s are going to be replaced at the end of summer. They're just too damned loud and vibrate too much at low speeds now. I guess getting 40k out of them will do.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:57 AM   #111
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thanks dbrier. i'm going to go get an allignment done after the next paycheck. I think Firestone still has that lifetime allignments for $150ish. That's what it was a few years ago. I remember asking back then if they'd do custom specs and they said they would only do it to oem specs. is 0 in that? no reason to pay them any money if they won't do it right. This time i'm going to do regular rotations with each oil change and then allignments every season. is every season overkill? i do a lot of driving in the snow and the parking lots at ski areas aren't ever smooth (bottomed out a couple times when i wasn't paying attention. Wouldn't that knock it out of allignment?

I just want to take care of these tires. Actually had to bring the wife's car in to get a tire fixed. turned out i had some really bad wear on a different tire when they rotated. thankfully they had a used one with similar wear that they gave me for free.

bryanh, you just need louder music, man. you don't have to worry about road noise when a subwoofer is over powering it. hahahah my re92s were sooper loud compared to these.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:19 AM   #112
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The Goodyears will get louder. Mine were much quieter than the 92's at first. Now, they are a bit louder than the 92's were at the end of their life. The difference is that I have much better grip than with the Bridgestones. I am torn as to whether I will replace with the same Goodyears, or look for something else. I looked at the 960's, but I don't like mushy. I have also been looking at the Michelin Pilot A/S Plus. I need to research some more...
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:35 AM   #113
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bryanh, you just need louder music, man. you don't have to worry about road noise when a subwoofer is over powering it. hahahah my re92s were sooper loud compared to these.
no...really...out of anyone on this board I do not need louder music.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:32 PM   #114
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lols...

garretts77 - a coworker of mine has the Michelins and he had the f1s prior to. says he loves the michelins a lot more. for me, i couldn't spend the extra $30/tire. I was already out of my spending limit.

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^^ That's good to know. Thanks
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:15 PM   #116
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quick little update...

these tires are a blast to drive with. they handle very well in the dry and in the wet. I might get some snow time this weekend so we'll see how that goes.

Still a little loud, but i just turn the music up. Oh, the were a bit wider than the OEM tires even at the same size. I had to get my rears rolled so they stopped rubbing. tiresize is 215/45/17 and it surprised me they rubbed. I'm lowered on P1 springs and KYB AGX struts set at 2 (maybe 4).

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Old 11-19-2009, 02:55 PM   #117
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if anybody on here has a problem with this particular tire and the noise it makes call me ....
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:05 PM   #118
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^^^ will it be a sales pitch?
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:38 PM   #119
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what if I got rid of them already?

can't help you then ... sorry

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Old 11-19-2009, 08:53 PM   #120
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Well, I just put on my winter rims with BFG Supersport A/S and I have to say those F1 A/S's are really loud. I have about 10K on them and you do not realize it until you put another tire on and go for a drive. The first time I drove without them I literally thought the engine has stalled it was that quiet. Other than the noise they really handle great in wet and dry. However, I could not buy them again. I am even considering taking them off and getting a different tire this spring if I have a spare $600 around.

you should really call me ....

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I also have an update. One of my f1's let go during the summer. The sidewall detached from the tread and sprung a leak. This was at about 45k miles. They were great in the dry, pretty good in the wet, and acceptable in the snow, if you only go infrequently. I didn't think they were loud at all for the first 20k or so, but then they got worse. It wasn't a huge deal to me either, but when it blew out, I thought I would try something else. I was debating between the Michelin pilot sport plus a/s and the bfg super sport a/s, based on reviews and tests on tire rack. I went with the bfg, mainly due to price, an have been disappointed since my decision. The ride is better, and noise is less, but the fun is all but gone. The sidewalks are soft and squishy, and grip is not near the f1. Doing it over, I would go with the michelins, or the f1's again. I liked them, I just wanted to try something else. Wish I didn't.

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To recommend an alternative? What do you have in mind?
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if anybody on here has a problem with this particular tire and the noise it makes call me ....
For serious? I can't stand the noise mine make. Drives me insane, and occasionally passengers will remark about it. What's the call about? Deal on a trade-in?

you really need to call me .... I can't post about it
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^^^ will it be a sales pitch?

no ...
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