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Old 08-06-2007, 12:24 PM   #76
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as for the car...that is a hideous torque curve. I'm not even sure where I would shift that car...I'm guessing about 5200-5500...
racing like a diesel
Huh? I don't know why is so surprising... but that's the typical torque curve on a small turbo like a VF39 or VF43.

You don't need to shift so early The goal is to use the maximum area under the HP curve... not the torque curve. Use a shift calculator like the one ride5000 put a while back. You will see that based on gearing and the torque on the dyno chart on page 1, the optimal shift points will be around 6,800 rpm +/- 100 rpm.
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Old 08-06-2007, 12:31 PM   #77
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lol o gee al. everyone knows this cause he did a post about his track time a week ago. why dont you look up all of the other facilities that ALL these other people on this thread who are complaining about you are from.

You need to learn that people arent out to get you or talk bad about you unless you do something. you think this is a hate thread? man, i cant wait to see what happens as your tuning continues within the next 3 months or so. what will those be? hate threads too?
I have been professionaly tuning cars for 4 years now and 3 years before that as a side job. I have tuned several thousand cars all over the United States.

I did not "do something" here in this thread - all I did was post a dyno sheet of a car I tuned and you can see clearly that the customer in question has chimed in and reported that he is satisfied.

It seems to me that the people here who have issues to vent have been competing tuners, shops and the people who support them.

What I did recently is change my affiliation to a new, larger and better equiped facility here in the tri-state area. There is no doubt that other shops and their supporters are feeling some what threatend by this development. I think the response speaks volumes about the type of people we are dealing with.

I have enough confidence and security in my skills and commitment to doing a good job that I do not feel the need to promote my business by attacking others or by soliciting my customers to do the same. In fact, when and if I have seen customers of mine engaged in this kind of behaviour I have contacted them to request that they discontinue such remarks.

To reieterate I have been tuning thousands of cars all over the United States over the past few years. There is no need to watch what happens in the next 3 months. I am not a newbie to the tuning scene. There are thousands of customers with my tunes in every state - 99.999 % of whom just continue to drive and enjoy their cars and go about their life as a normal person.

What is going to happen in the next 3 months is that my existiong customers who come by ICS Performance to visit will dicsover that I have teamed with a great group of professionals in a world class facility offering top notch service and tuning at fair prices.

Those who are curious - even those enagaged in these hating remarks - are all welcome to come down this Saturday the 11th for our Turbo Fest for free dyno pulls, barbeque, free food and lots of door prizes and other activities and you can see first hand the facility and meet myself and the other team members at ICS.

Trust me when I suggest that life is too short and that some of you nasty and toxic haters should realy take a step back and consider spending your energies on more productive and rewarding activities and pursuits.
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Old 08-06-2007, 12:55 PM   #78
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It seems to me that the people here who have issues to vent have been competing tuners, shops and the people who support them.
i highly doubt other shop/tuners are threatened about your tuning or business.

youve gotta be kidding me.
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Old 08-06-2007, 01:19 PM   #79
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+1 for the angry customer usually being an incompetent twit at installing parts. I've seen that happen every tuning day I've been to so far. You east coasters really seem like you have a stick up your rears. You guys need to settle down and adopt a more laid back attitude. Why get wrapped up in someone else's life? It's not like it affects you, so let it go.

Where's the thread about these Hawaii guys being mad after the tuning sessions? Sounds like a good read. Someone link me up!
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Old 08-06-2007, 01:36 PM   #80
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That's all these threads are.........A good read and laugh. They should call it Power Bragging/Comedy
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Old 08-06-2007, 01:38 PM   #81
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i highly doubt other shop/tuners are threatened about your tuning or business.

youve gotta be kidding me.
Oh come on... you know I'm shaking in my britches out here in California... what if Al takes all my business?!

That MUST be why I commented on his chart..
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Old 08-06-2007, 01:56 PM   #82
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Grats on the numbers Al. Your tune on my 04 wrx still kicks a$$.
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Old 08-06-2007, 01:59 PM   #83
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Grats on the numbers Al. Your tune on my 04 wrx still kicks a$$.
go dyno'd at another facility. i can guarantee you'll change your mind.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:05 PM   #84
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go dyno'd at another facility. i can guarantee you'll change your mind.
Hey fast_lgt,

I've been tuned by 4 tuners so far (different turbos and different set ups). By far Al's tunes worked the best for me.
Thank you for your advice.

P.S. Maybe I'll dyno at another facility to compare Al's tune w/ other dyno readings.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:44 PM   #85
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It seems that a lot of people feel the need to support their tuner of choice by attacking other shops and tuners.

So you are saying that people should ignore the moronic attacks and negative comments about your tuner of choice Auto Master and let the work speak for itself - great. Now you elect to come onto this thread and sling the very same kind of groundless personal attacks against another tuner - what does that make you ?

Did you believe your own words when you said "I wouldnt listen to the hearsay on this forum" Did you realy mean that ? If so then why are you participating in the same spreading of hear say you claim should be ignored?

To me the answer seems very clear - you want to support auto master and you want to attack other tuners.

I do not encourage my customers to engage in this behavior and I do not engage in this kind of negative marketing.

I prefer to just do my job and let the work speak for itself.

The ironic thing is that one of the things you accuse me of "lying" about in this thread is your opinion that a correction factor will always lower whp figures. In order to try and settle that subject for you - I applied the correction factor to the same dyno sheet (the power increased) and I supplied some data on correction factors. It is clear to me that no matter what I say you will claim that I am lying even when confronted with firm facts that show otherwise.

My customer - the guy who's car I tuned stated in this thread he is pleased with the results and the results he obtained at the tarck are in line with the dyno sheets I posted and the modifications he has. Really that is all that matters.

If the moderation and ownership of the NASIOC form condones and tolerates this kind of groundless vendor bashing and attacks by the supporters of various local shops it is very disappointing to me and means that in the end I will choose to have less involvement in the discussions on this forum.
+1 for calling it like it is. If you spend enough time here, you can see the people that are shills... but the problem is, a lot of people DONT spend enough time here, and they just take their information off the balance of negative and positive information posted, regardless of the veracity of it.

I'd really like to see you stick around, as I think that the information you post here has serious value. There used to be a lot of tuners that consistently posted information here about cars they have tuned, but that number has dropped significantly. Either through lack of interest, or the bashing you speak of, the traffic in this forum isn't what it used to be.
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:08 PM   #86
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Hey fast_lgt,

I've been tuned by 4 tuners so far (different turbos and different set ups). By far Al's tunes worked the best for me.
Thank you for your advice.

P.S. Maybe I'll dyno at another facility to compare Al's tune w/ other dyno readings.
The best dyno is the 1/4 long black strip (drag strip)

Trap speed is your most reliable measure of the real world performance of your car

BTW - just a reminder - August 11 at www.ICSperfroamnce.com we are givi9ng free dynp pulls and food all day - on the 424X dyno jet

I would love to see you there and see how the car pulls on the dyno jet - no charge - its all free all day
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:28 PM   #87
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Hey Al, it'll be my pleasure. I'll see you on the 11th. Early morning.

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The best dyno is the 1/4 long black strip (drag strip)

Trap speed is your most reliable measure of the real world performance of your car

BTW - just a reminder - August 11 at www.ICSperfroamnce.com we are givi9ng free dynp pulls and food all day - on the 424X dyno jet

I would love to see you there and see how the car pulls on the dyno jet - no charge - its all free all day
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:17 PM   #88
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Wow, if Al is so bad you'd think the "invisible hand" of the market would have put him out of business by now. Word of mouth is normally the biggest killer of brand loyalty. So if Al is as bad as all these tuners are saying, why isn't he done?

Don't tell me it's b/c he markets himself so well and talks a big game about his cars. All you mf's got egos. I read some of you using words like "fact" and "proof" yet I don't see the data logs of people who took a "bad" Al tune to another dyno, I don't see personal testimonials in large numbers backing up all these claims against Al. I see "if you only knew" and "lots of people say that" - that's hearsay, not facts. That's bull***** not proof. In fact, the customers who respond on these threads thank Al.

Show your cards. Put Al out of business with cold, hard facts. Otherwise you attackers look like you have emotional motives, not real evidence. This is a Salem Witch Trial. And Al is right to ignore you all.
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:43 PM   #89
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I thought my Wifes Gossip magazines were amusing - cant blame the guy if he dosnt post here anymore and that would be a pity.
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:52 PM   #90
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Its very amusing to see people stating, "I've heard from my brothers, sisters, ex-boyfriends old roomate, that he got a bad tune by Al, I think."

Its also amusing to see people who are friends/customers of other local tuners in this thread bashing Al, when they themselves have never done business with him.
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:15 PM   #91
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Great number's, hope the jealous douche bags havnt scared you away yet
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:27 PM   #92
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Great number's, hope the jealous douche bags havnt scared you away yet
no i dont listen to people'ss negitive comments, i make my decisions based on facts and only if it happends to me. Again my car is running smooth as can be, good power,responsive, and a blast to drive.
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:34 PM   #93
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I thought my Wifes Gossip magazines were amusing - cant blame the guy if he dosnt post here anymore and that would be a pity.
I have a long standing and ongoing commitment to the Proven Power bragging forum

After all - those who have been on here for a while may recall that when I had my ole 2001 WRX I was on the general NASIOC forums - (back in those days known as I-club) nearly every few days boasting about the new modifications I had undertaken to my WRX and showing the Dyno Sheets and talking about the power

It was for that reason that a then "proven" power bragging section was created named after the place I was using at the time Pruven Performance which at the time was one of only two AWD dynos on the east coast - (my how times have changed - now dynos are as frequent as gas stations).

My habit of posting dyno sheets and talking about power and modifications has remained the same over the past 6 years.

Back in the early days the haters used to say things like how could I use a rally car like a WRX to go drag racing - or suggest that I was destroying the power band to install what was then one of the first rotated mount Gt30 R turbo set ups.

Basically, I have learned that no matter what you do on the internet someone is going to disagree or try and tear you down. I frankly enjoy healthy debate and dialouge which is conducted with mutal respect and which conveys an inteligent idea. I have always found that the market place of free ideas is a great place to work out concepts and test your opinions.

However, the dialouge here consists of lies, smears and personal insults. There is no dialouge only a stream of insults.

I help support this forum through the contribution of vendor fees and I feel that these kind of groundless and malicious attacks should not be allowed in the forum. I help to keep this section of the forum alive and relevant by posting dyno sheets and case study information - which BTW was the very reason for the formation of this sub section years ago. For the most part I do not participate in other areas of the forum or post in other Subaru related forums.

Those tuners who disagree with my work should post thier own dyno sheets and show what they are doing. Somehow, I find it pathetic and pety to see my so caled peers chiming in with small minded pot shots and their suporters trying to assasinate my character and reputation with lies and insults.

This kind of hostile atmosphere discourages people from participation and sends valuable contributors to other web forums where this kind of infantile high school diatribe does not exist.

For example, my good friend and someone with a very valuable opinion - David Bushur - recently dis-continued his vendor status on this forum becuase he did not care for the way things were going here. To see a great vendor and very skilled person like that leave over this kind of stuff is something that I find very regratable.

Here is what Mr. Buschur recently had to say concerning NASIOC

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Yes, we will be adding a Subaru specific section to our forums.

Yes, I will eventually do an externally gated uppipe for the Subaru. Just have to get the car back on the road and driving to my satisfaction again.

cucamelsmd15 , you obviously are the type of guy that likes to coddled and lied to, that's really not the kind of guys we are so obviously our shop is not for you.

Thanks Dsycks, but I'm not stopping with the Subaru!! I love the car. I am just going to end up posting information and such elsewhere. There are tons of good internet sites for the Subaru. This one is excellent but I guess I ruffled the wrong feathers with a few of the moderators and owner of the site.......now it's like a competition for them to award points and get a chuckle out of it. haha

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Mr. Buschur had a lot of problems to maintain his vendor announcement thread about his Project WRX and his ideas about the Subaru

This is his thread and you can read all the BS he had to deal with as a paying vendor to discuss and review his products and project progress

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post18809259


I find it bizzare that a industry pioneer and leader like David Buschur is awarded "warning points" here and yet there are people on this very thread making insulting personal attacks and using profane languaqe and yet no warnings or time outs are issued.


While I realize that this is a private forum and we all exist here under the kind permisson of the owner - I also realize that this is a community and as such the participants should not accept or tolerate that a few rotten and ill motivated buffons can ruin beneficial and useful technical discussions with personal attacks and insults

It takes only a few uncivilized and thoughtless idiots to poison an otherwise inteligent dialouge and make it turn to ****

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Old 08-06-2007, 09:51 PM   #94
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Ok enough is enough.

This is not the point of this forum.

If you guys don't have constructive comments or can not speak like a thug, stay off NASIOC. If you have a legit beef with a vendor, speak your mind in a calm fact filled manner in the review forum. But keep this junk off the rest of the forum.

The next attack I see on a vendor in here will result in the member posting being off the site for at least a month. So think before you post people.

We have forums set aside for this sort of stuff... and this isn't one of them.
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