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Old 01-04-2007, 09:09 PM   #1
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i was wondering if anybody had or heard anything about the brian crower 2.71 stroker block with darton sleeves and billet crank. any info would be great!
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:31 AM   #2
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i was wondering if anybody had or heard anything about the brian crower 2.71 stroker block with darton sleeves and billet crank. any info would be great!
Haven't heard or seen anything about this. Could you perhaps post a link to it ???
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I've talked with them and the first thing i asked about was the crank. It's a billet piece but the oil supply is still crossdrilled like the factory. Also the stroke is more that I would want in a subie block.
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I to have had interest in this but find the Subaru block needs a longer bore to aid in making the big 83mm stroke work. Deck plates come to mind with MD darton sleeves but The motor is already tight in the engine bay. A wider motor just sounds like trouble changing the spark plugs. I had A crower setup even ordered till Reality hit today from lots of feedback from Chris at Crawford and then Howard at AR-fab both talked me down.....AR Fab gave me a strait answer to there 83 mm setup. I wish we had more room for this but we don't.
Someone tell me I'm wrong and fast.
Now I'm reviewing if Brian can build me an 81mm crank but if there is no improvement to the oiling then whats the point.....
Brian I am guessing your going to here of this so I have only to say I was just unaware and unready as I have yet to find a solution to use a better rod ratio and prevent all the problems of the long stroke issues of the big 83mm. your setup is amazing at high boost short run drag motors that run 10:1 Compression and still boost to 30lbs. heck it mad 700 hp + but from what I Heard is the Interference and short rod is destroying the motor creating all kinds of new harmonic issues(hint hint Howard). Something internal balancing doesnt see in 4 bangers but stroker v8 cars do. this was the solution to my speed-o motive and Crower cam 383 Chevy that mad huge numbers n/a. Thanks Crower again, the whole family is Stand up just the Subaru world is not ready yet. Dam Honda's get everything easy.............................................. ...................
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having further discussion with Brian himself...the oiling supplies are different (straight shot, I have pics) and he will cut a custom crank so long as it is a order of at least 5...

run the numbers on an 81 mm stroke...rod angularity isn't going to be too much better...rod in his motor is what, 128.5 mm (1.54 RR)? easily can get it back to 129.6 (1.56 rr)...
a 81 mm stroke with normal rod numbers would yield a 129.5 length rod (1.598 rr)


factory sklyines are a 1.54 if I recall and see 9k from the factory...evo 2.3 strokers are 1.5 and frequent the 8500-9000 mark...

I would just be afraid of spinning the motor to the sky personally...that and VE's would tail off (because of RR and head flow for an engine at that rpm) so torque would fall off the face of the earth...

Personally I'm building an engine that goes against everyone's trends (hence the knowledge on the custom crank) and am anxious to see how it compares in the real world and not on paper (I know who wins on paper).

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Old 03-11-2007, 01:35 AM   #7
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I to have had interest in this but find the Subaru block needs a longer bore to aid in making the big 83mm stroke work. Deck plates come to mind with MD darton sleeves but The motor is already tight in the engine bay. A wider motor just sounds like trouble changing the spark plugs. I had A crower setup even ordered till Reality hit today from lots of feedback from Chris at Crawford and then Howard at AR-fab both talked me down.....AR Fab gave me a strait answer to there 83 mm setup. I wish we had more room for this but we don't.
Someone tell me I'm wrong and fast.
Now I'm reviewing if Brian can build me an 81mm crank but if there is no improvement to the oiling then whats the point.....
Brian I am guessing your going to here of this so I have only to say I was just unaware and unready as I have yet to find a solution to use a better rod ratio and prevent all the problems of the long stroke issues of the big 83mm. your setup is amazing at high boost short run drag motors that run 10:1 Compression and still boost to 30lbs. heck it mad 700 hp + but from what I Heard is the Interference and short rod is destroying the motor creating all kinds of new harmonic issues(hint hint Howard). Something internal balancing doesnt see in 4 bangers but stroker v8 cars do. this was the solution to my speed-o motive and Crower cam 383 Chevy that mad huge numbers n/a. Thanks Crower again, the whole family is Stand up just the Subaru world is not ready yet. Dam Honda's get everything easy.............................................. ...................
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There are also other considerations to understand why the larger then 79mm crank is a problem. The fact that the piston skirt runs below the bore further. The crank is a nice crank but it hits everything and causes all sorts of clearance issues no-one is ready to pay for. Oiling is no issue with these cars if everything is prepped correctly. The oil pump is very similiar to the Honda. And I am not having bearing issues with the BC crank in our car other then we will not recommend the setup in customers cars. The long stroke setup for the EJ's is not the way to go unless you do extend the deck surfaces and increase the pin height and the ring heights to get the piston to stay in the bore for more stability. But once again no-one is willing to pay for this. The harmonic problem is resolved now that I have a manufacturer making us a damper. Which I spoke of briefly on IWSTI. But no-one has broke an oil pump yet with a Subaru because no-one is spinning them high and no-one is making real power with them yet. Another discussion to be made should be the lack of piston dwell with the current stroker kits. High airflowing turbos can not take advangtage of the stroker kits. Large displacement stroker kits are great for NA not a Large Turbo.

BTW the oiling of the BC crank and the factory is identical less the chamfer of the oil holes.

Yes Brian called me on Firday and asked me about different strokes too ...lets be different...blah blah....I dont build short lived drag engines. Eggums Honda engine took me 4 yrs to perfect in my own car because we followed idiot engine builders suggestions now I do them myself and build them the way I feel is neccessary to make power without problems...the last one I put together for them was in March of 06 and went all season long without the valve cover or oil pan removed. and the car ran 7.9seconds at 185mph on a stock crankshaft and oil pump. And thats 1100whp, turn the boost down and it will last longer. But its still a race engine it will need to be freshened up seasonally.

And if I really told the truth about the oil issue in the Subaru, I would lose business because the rest of the US EJ engine builders will figure it out too.

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Howard/Race sleeves....you and I think a lot alike

I'm working on seeing 10k on the factory pump...oh, and I love dwell
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Is the part a drop-in part? nope

Can this part be made drop in? nope

Is there a benefit to the kit for a large turbo? nope

Will the kit be reliable at high RPM? nope

Most of the customers that ask for the kit are road racers with a 35-50lb/min turbo and road race and are looking for more throttle response/tq. The rest want to be the king ding-a-ling of power at the drag strip or the street racing scene. If you fall into the first catagory then by all means go that route and spend more money then you really need to. But what you and several others are asking for, this setup causes way too many problems to be reliable. And I get flamed because I stated my facts about the parts. We continue to advertise it because it gives people opportunity to have such a product if their race program qualifies for it. But there are many other better alternatives that we tell our customers when they tell us what they are doing. Thats why we have sold 1 2JzGTE crank from BC and I still have not seen the crank since the Nov 7th order. But I keep telling him no problem. Im not flaming him for it...

If RD did not take any time at all to get the correct facts and not lies then things would fall into place like buying shelf parts. But RD takes time, time your not willing to pay for. I have teams willing to pay for this on other projects so my time goes to these guys first. I do have a family just like many others and need to pay for expenses just like any other family guy. We built an intake manifold I was unhappy with , that you were interested in and that made you mad because I didnt finish it? Would you rather me send you a piece of **** that did not work? I can have a real nice manifold design for $4500-$6500. One off just for you and everything is CNC machined including the intake runners to match the port flow of your heads and cams. But you are not willing to pay for it are you? We have built 4 such manifolds for several other teams. Do not flame me for bringing to light the fact that companies bring out products to soon without really researching every angle first. We look at everything before we would recommend it for a situation thats its not ready for.

The latest adventure is the sleeves. You email me saying DARTON has the MID sleeve coming soon. "Thats what they told you". I know where the designs for the sleeves come from I speak with this man atleast 5-10 times a week. I told you its not happening anytime soon and you didnt believe me. Yes I was interested in doing them myself for my own developmental purposes. But cost becomes a factor when you want to pay for just a product and the price has to be just right. I told you the sleeve blanks we need will require way too much machining to make them cost effective. You did not step up and say I dont care about the cost. So I am the one to make the judgement call to acquire a better solution for less $$. Money is what makes all these parts work correctly. Winston Cup / Top Fuel etc have alot of it and can get things done ASAP. So unless you are ready to spend some time and money quit flaming me.

There are too many others that are interested in our approach to solving performance issues they have come across in their racing programs to continue to pursue any more time with you.


Sorry that this had to hit the forums.

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And if I really told the truth about the oil issue in the Subaru, I would lose business because the rest of the US EJ engine builders will figure it out too.

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Howard, how do I find out about this? Pay you to build me an engine....then will you tell me the secret?
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Trust me, Howard knows his stuff. I have talked to him on many occasions and he blows my mind every time. We throw ideas back and forth to each other as well.

I sent 2 customers motors to be sleeved and built and we recieved a couple of weeks ago. Both are in and running and run damn good. I have never heard another built motor sound so freakin good.

Also, if you want to rev the motor high you dont want more displacement.

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[quote=checque;17317740] The AR Fab stroker kit and BC stroker kit look exactly the same on both websites. Hey Howard, what makes your kit different? Will your kit be reliable at high rpm? Can you explain these clearance issues and the steps you've taken to correct them?
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We only use the BC Crank in our kit. As far as answering whats wrong, that goes back to explaining to the rest of the engine builders how to make it work. Im sorry but I can not do that.

Also, I started out exactly where you are today. No money and did not know anyone in the industry. I have climbed the ladder to where I am today. Along the way I have been taken advantage of many times by customers and vendors and have made it my mission not to return the favor to others. I could have stuck you with the bill for a bad intake and some over priced sleeves but I did not. I was looking after yours and my best interests for both projects. As far as the WRX intake is concerned, its a personal project on a best friends car and so is the Supra...where time is no issue. Which I explained but probably not clearly enough for you without giving specifics.

Understand one main thing here, we do not have others make the parts work for us, we have the manufactures make the parts to our specs. We did not send a stock piston from the STi to a piston manufacturer years ago to have them build the piston around stock rings, wrist pins and clips so we can buy new STi short blocks and remove the factory cast pistons and replace them with a forged piston set costing $240 and call it a forged combo for $2500-$3200!....We redesigned the whole piston combination around what we considered a fix to the arising problems everyone was coming across in the community. Also, the aftermarket did and has the incorrect C-C rod lengths available to you so we corrected the pin hieght in the pistons to compensate so you get the true compression ratios we build the pistons to. Some rods manufacturers have stepped up to the plate now.

Im fighting for you guys not for my car to get faster...I proved alot of things with the Honda community and recieved the same reactions there too so this is no surprise to me. We went faster then anyone else did and had no engine failures doing it with the Honda once I developed the right parts. Now Im doing so with the Subies. And until a major investor or North America Subaru comes along and sees our potential its going to take time and money....time I have and money thats going to my family this time around.

The crank obvious works. The work I had to go through to make it work should have been told to me during the purchase of it. But it was unknown to the manufacturer so we kept their name out of it until recently. I tell everyone the issues we found with it. Thats not bad mouthing the product its informing the customer and I hope thats what everyone is looking for, not the specifics so you or others can spend their hard earned money with someone without this knowledge rather then putting the money in my pocket for the proper directions on how to use their product. This goes for any type of product we endorse. We have lots of customers that ask my opinion during their build, then have the products sent to us becasue they found it cheaper elsewhere and wonder why they pay more for the install and get no guarentee on the work performed and get no technical information about the setup. We build the correct setups but when Im put against the wall to make everything work with parts that are substandard or they dont fit correctly I can not be held accountable for there ability to perform and be reliable.

I know what you want. Send back your 83mm and get a 75mm stroke. Send me the crank/block/heads. Budget atleast 20-25K for the engine build. I will send you a screaming high output setup with a fuel system, EMS, dry sump and turbo setup included in the package. Everything will be matched to eachother. Rpm power band will be 4500-9500. I will explain the entire setup at that point. And be more then reliable at 800whp. Add on $5000 for some custom Ti rods and you get rid of the Steel rod shooting out the block problem above 850whp. I personally have all the parts to build one for myself except the Ti Rods and FREE TIME. I also have all the correct parts to build my own Honda HotRod class car that would be capable of lo 7's and trapping 200mph too...but no time.

But start to pick and chose the parts you send me, cross talk to the vendors/manufacturers and its your own baby not mine.

Now Im going to try to spend some more time with my Pregnant soon to be wife before she leaves me because I spend way too much time after hours worrying about how to make cars go faster.

OH! And thank You Matt for the positive post....and to the others I really do not know yet. Thank You guys

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No problem Howard. I just tell it how it is.

Dave is in love with the sound of his motor. I cant wait to get it back on the dyno to make more power than we did before. As I said I have never heard a better sounding built motor before. On initial startup and the first stage of break in there was NO SMOKE from the exhaust, not even a little bit!!!! Incredible is the only way to describe it.

If you get some free time give me a call on Monday give me a call on my cell phone # I gave you. They are screening all my calls up front so that I dont have to answer the phone 100 times a day and I can actually get work done.

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freaking great post howard!

thanks for your support!

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once again...howard, I think you and I are doing the same build have read your comments...funny, I'll have the same powerband...

I too don't have the money for the ti rods so my initial build is going to be steel while the shop car get's ti...
custom rods,caps and pistons are required which doesn't help with the poor college student aspect. that is done in may and the build should be done in august (assuming the job goes through)...

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freaking great post howard!

thanks for your support!

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Check your Email....

Yea Ti rods are going to get me put in the doghouse! I already have the money aside for the Trans parts...that was not cheap either!

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I dont want to fuel the fire but the clearence issues due to stroking are common issue with any engine program. In other words maintaining a clearence around the crank through its rotation. Easy but time consuming job, now the skirt running lower in the bore. I'm guessing that the issue may be from running past the bore? It shouldnt be from the releifs for wrist pin removal since the skirt is 90 degrees out of that and if the rings where close to that theres more problems. Maybe the rod angle in relation to the block clearence?

I guess why I am beating this up is for those wanting strong street torque without spinning to the moon. Yes, stroking will lower the safe prm limits of the engine (without a huge amount of work) but in a daily driver car that wants more low end torque it's been proven many times over on other engine types that stroke is a good way to get there. However if you want to be the "big power" king then stroking might not be wise without lots of $$ for Ti rods, drysump, ect, ect.
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I have alot of experience with building and stroking domestic sb, bb, chevs fords.... I am only using the knowlage I have from these. I worked in a machine shop for some time so I have an idea where Howard is comming from, but I have never stroked a subie so till I do theyre may be some tricks (most engines have them) but I do not see any huge reason why this shouldnt work.
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Talk about lightening quick response!

Holy hell!

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I have alot of experience with building and stroking domestic sb, bb, chevs fords.... I am only using the knowlage I have from these. I worked in a machine shop for some time so I have an idea where Howard is comming from, but I have never stroked a subie so till I do theyre may be some tricks (most engines have them) but I do not see any huge reason why this shouldnt work.

Bah!...I deleted what I had to say since it explained too much.....Im sorry


I guess if you guys want to see some real ***** Im going to have to pull some strings. Met an interesting man tonite that owns a Chevy Dealership , a CarQuest and a few other places in WV thats interested in having us do a complete car top to bottom and the paint included....he wanted a "SUNDAY" car for the Summit Point track..lol....something to "scare him" as he put it...lol Ill keep you guys updated.

Oh and he was not interested in a Cobalt either!

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I hope your not taking what I said wrong Howard. I didnt mean anything negative towards you its more that this subject has my intrest and I may be looking at this for one of my projects.

Please pm me if I misunderstood your response.

BTW whats wrong with the cobalts? I have built a few of the Saturn redlines (runs the same SC eco that the ss does and in fact was released a year before the cobalt). The ecotec is a great engine program, however the trans and the fact that its only fwd sucks. I ran 400whp and shattered the trans case in three spots.
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what's wrong with a cobalt?...for starters it is powering the wrong wheels
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