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Old 08-10-2007, 04:21 PM   #1
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Hello again,

First let me thank you for your continued patronage and support of PERRIN™ Performance Products. NASIOC as a group has been very influencial in our success in the WRX, STi, Impreza and now Legacy GT, BAJA Turbo, Forester XT market. We value your business but more importantly your opinions, feedback and concerns. Our goal is to make each one of our potential customers happy and confident with the money they have worked hard to earn and are now investing in performance or visual improvements to their vehicle. We are enthusiasts as well! We own, drive and mod our cars, so we understand the importance of this type of manufacturer direct

This thread is specifically designed for our engineers, sales people and marketing staff to address any concerns you may have, questions about a new or old product, parts compatibility and general technical advice. We welcome you to offer up anything that we can help you with. All questions will be answered in detail using factual information and promptly! We intend to revisit this thread on a daily basis to keep on top of what ever is of interest on that particular day. Feel free to also voice any concerns you have about any product. From how it works, how much it costs, and also if you would like to see something different.

We have a version of this in the 2.0L technical, but with the overwhelming majority of the Subaru's being 2.5L we felt it necessary to start a NEW thread here, plus with the 08's etc. and the length of the old thread (65 pages) it is time for a fresh start!

As always thanks in advance for the feedback. We appreciate it! Finally I can always be reached personally at our offices via e-mail or phone if something is not being answered properly here.

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Old 08-10-2007, 04:27 PM   #2
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want to give me the FMIC kit??
that'd be effin swell of ya......lol

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Old 08-10-2007, 04:34 PM   #3
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haha ^

yes i have the perrin f/r sways and they are great. was the first mod i did and i am happy of that. I was wondering if your company makes an axleback. I just cant get myself to spend 700 or so dollars on a cbe.
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Old 08-10-2007, 04:41 PM   #4
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07T-WRX: SURE! Just GIVE me your credit card, or PayPal, Or first born, wife, Girlfriend etc. Thanks for the comment!

JLwrx06: Thank you! We are going to have that out in the fall as I understand it. Along with some other new parts and pieces as well. Big news on non-hard parts coming soon (shhhhhh don't tell anyone!)

Thanks again!

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Old 08-10-2007, 04:42 PM   #5
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i have "heard", simply heard, of instances of your turbo inlet collapsing.(i dont know if this has been covered before i have not bothered searrching). have you had complaints about this and is it a common occurance yo have had to deal with? thanks

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Old 08-10-2007, 04:54 PM   #6
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any chance of offering a cheaper rotated kit for us poor types? i wish i worked with you guys, i have some products for the subaru id like to have made...
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Old 08-10-2007, 04:54 PM   #7
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have any test subjects for that axleback? wink wink
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:17 PM   #8
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rendog24" "heard" is as best that I can say too. We had a handful of clients complain, but when pressed, they never returned the parts to inspect. We have had a handful come through QC that were not cured properly and thus were strong enough. Those were rejected, however, it is not impossible for some to end up in the stream. We are 100% aware that a dumpster diver got some of them and sold/is selling them on Ebay without hardware, etc. DO NOT BUY THEM! Also, we did add an additional layer of high durameter (sic) silicone to the part to make a total of six layers. They are SUPER strong. Also, the use of a highly restrictive intake (like the factory airbox) can create a problem as well. Hope that helps!
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:19 PM   #9
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All4bspinnin: Anything is possible. But with the rising costs of materials, it is unlikely. Also, we do NOT, NOT, NOT outsource labor or materials from or to Asia or India. Everything you purchase from us is made right here in North America (if not in our building. More on that later.) This improves quality control, improves strength and performance, but does cost MORE. We will continue to provide the highest quality parts at the most reasonable of prices. Thanks for asking!
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:26 PM   #10
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Adam,

Perhaps you can explain your lack of feedback to to people who email you. For the last two years, I have contacted your company about helping to sponsor my local Subaru meet we have once a year. Each year....no response. This year, I emailed as well as PM'd your username to prompt you to the email and still nothing. This is two years in a row. I totally understand if you cannot make commitments as money comes and money goes, but to totally blow off a large east coast Subaru meet. That's not cool.

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Old 08-10-2007, 08:20 PM   #11
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large east coast subaru meet??? when?? what am i missing???lol
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Old 08-10-2007, 08:49 PM   #12
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Hey, a couple month ago, i have started buying just your products for my car. They are great products. Thanks Alot. Expensive but what aftermarket part is not.
Also unabomber how come everytime i see you leaving a reply you either bag on someone, or have something to complain about. come on now. this is a site for everyone to learn. adam is probably busy.
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Old 08-10-2007, 09:34 PM   #13
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rexoutofhell...read this very carefully....

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This thread is specifically designed for our engineers, sales people and marketing staff to address any concerns you may have...
I have a concern, I addressed it. Don't like how I post? We have ignore lists, put me on yours as you apparently think I have nothing to contribute but hate.
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:20 PM   #14
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i have a light weight pulley.. love it guys. thanks also love how there is a manifesto by a certain someone conveniently stickied at the top of the faq section
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:22 PM   #15
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I cringe everytime i post a thread and get a response from Unabomber. Its never what I want to hear but it's always the hard cold truth which is what most members really dont want to hear. Without members like unabomber and Davenow my car would be full of parts that dont help her or I dont need. Its human nature to justify what you bought or the vendor you purchased from. Unabomber blinds us with facts not opinion which is what I appreciate most about NASIOC. I have Perrin parts and even sport a Perrin decal in my engine bay and have always gotten answers to my emails from Perrin. I am interested in the new parts line up they have to offer but am more interested in honest reviews of said parts.
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:48 AM   #16
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I have a couple questions as a huge Perrin whore. I am rocking the following stuff and I have some serious questions about it.

Perrin Sig FMIC
Perrin Sig BPV
Perrin GT35R .82 Kit
Perrin Water Injection
Perring Sway Front & Rear


FMIC Related

- So, you recently released a "stealth front mount" but all that is different is the fact that the pipes are black. How is that stealth? For someone like myself, I would actually pay to have a blacked out FMIC with red pipes rather than the illusion of stealth with just black pipes. Who is going to see the pipes and miss the gigantic core in the mouth of my car?

- Why do you not include the stencil anymore for those of us who don't mind a litle rice in their life?

- The pipes on your FMIC are in some need of fitment adjustment. To be specific, consult the pipe that comes in the passenger side compartment, it will scratch against the fender and the provided rubber piece feels like an afterthought.

- Attaching your signature BPV will cause the BPV adapter to push the to the top of the hood scoop / hood. While this can be worked around for the most part, I would expect this from a different manufacture instead of the maker of both the BPV and the FMIC.

- The nipple on the top of the BPV needs some adjustment. It is too small and does not grab the hose correctly.

GT Kit Related

- To be perfectly honest, your fitment is in need of some work. Case and point would be the issue with the downpipe hitting the car. I had to have my wonderful mechanic bang the **** out of the DP to get it to work. I wasn't going to wait a week to get pipes that shoulda fit correctly in the first place on a $3500 kit. And please, by all means, send me a replacement piece at no charge.

- Coating options should be available if at all possible.

- Not everyone wants to use the boost tube that you sell that appears to be the way to cure a majority of the stalling problems. While PDX can tune out of it, most others get stuck with this.

- CAI is a must. The turbulence that is created by the MAF sensor location in relation to this big ass turbo carries too much of a margin of error. If I recall correctly this also attributes to the stalling issue. I ordered your kits sans the intake and I am much more happy with the custom intake. See above.

Misc

- The coolant overflow install guide should be a little bit more up to date for 07 STIs. It takes a special "Mike Touch" to get everything to fit correctly.

- I would love to see instruction/support, and I may have missed this, to install the WI system using the tank in the rear of the car. As an owner of a 07 STI, I am not a huge fan of having a one gallon jug instead of a much bigger tank in the rear of the car.

- Make an A pillar gauge mount for Perrin whores like myself. We need more things to buy with your name on it.

Don't get my wrong, I love your products, and I will only buy Perrin, so don't take this as a slam, just some friendly customer help.

I got more ideas/feedback and you're more than welcome to e-mail, AIM or phone me if you want. Just shoot me a PM.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:54 AM   #17
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Is it possible to get just the FMIC Core/Bracket, without the pipes/everythign else?

And..does the FMIC support the 06-07 Fogs?
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:35 PM   #18
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Ron/Unabomber: I honestly have no idea what you are speaking about. WE did sponsor the Wicked Big Subaru Meet this year that is in the East Coast. I apologize if we didn't get back to. I answer every e-mail I get regardless, and you can send them directly to adam.taft@perrinperformance.com. BUT, (and this is big) always include a phone number. Many anti-spam software (AOL, YAHOO for example) do reject our e-mails back, and if there is no number we can't get back in touch. Also, John.Herring@perrinperformance.com is our marketing director and he too is more than willing to help. You do bring up a good point that we can't be in all places at the same time, and SEMA, etc. may take precedent over local events. Regardless, let us know if we can help with this years coming event. Thank you for your post!
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:38 PM   #19
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rexoutofhell: Thank you for the purchases and the comment!

moriswrx: too funny!

bajozzy: good point, thanks for the biz-nez, let me know how I can ever help in the future with your ride.

vision.dynamix: Yes you can get the bumper by itself, and YES it does support the 06+ foglamps no problem. Thanks again!

Adam
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:53 PM   #20
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I have a couple questions as a huge Perrin whore. I am rocking the following stuff and I have some serious questions about it.

Perrin Sig FMIC
Perrin Sig BPV
Perrin GT35R .82 Kit
Perrin Water Injection
Perring Sway Front & Rear


FMIC Related

- So, you recently released a "stealth front mount" but all that is different is the fact that the pipes are black. How is that stealth? For someone like myself, I would actually pay to have a blacked out FMIC with red pipes rather than the illusion of stealth with just black pipes. Who is going to see the pipes and miss the gigantic core in the mouth of my car?

- Why do you not include the stencil anymore for those of us who don't mind a litle rice in their life?

- The pipes on your FMIC are in some need of fitment adjustment. To be specific, consult the pipe that comes in the passenger side compartment, it will scratch against the fender and the provided rubber piece feels like an afterthought.

- Attaching your signature BPV will cause the BPV adapter to push the to the top of the hood scoop / hood. While this can be worked around for the most part, I would expect this from a different manufacture instead of the maker of both the BPV and the FMIC.

- The nipple on the top of the BPV needs some adjustment. It is too small and does not grab the hose correctly.

GT Kit Related

- To be perfectly honest, your fitment is in need of some work. Case and point would be the issue with the downpipe hitting the car. I had to have my wonderful mechanic bang the **** out of the DP to get it to work. I wasn't going to wait a week to get pipes that shoulda fit correctly in the first place on a $3500 kit. And please, by all means, send me a replacement piece at no charge.

- Coating options should be available if at all possible.

- Not everyone wants to use the boost tube that you sell that appears to be the way to cure a majority of the stalling problems. While PDX can tune out of it, most others get stuck with this.

- CAI is a must. The turbulence that is created by the MAF sensor location in relation to this big ass turbo carries too much of a margin of error. If I recall correctly this also attributes to the stalling issue. I ordered your kits sans the intake and I am much more happy with the custom intake. See above.

Misc

- The coolant overflow install guide should be a little bit more up to date for 07 STIs. It takes a special "Mike Touch" to get everything to fit correctly.

- I would love to see instruction/support, and I may have missed this, to install the WI system using the tank in the rear of the car. As an owner of a 07 STI, I am not a huge fan of having a one gallon jug instead of a much bigger tank in the rear of the car.

- Make an A pillar gauge mount for Perrin whores like myself. We need more things to buy with your name on it.

Don't get my wrong, I love your products, and I will only buy Perrin, so don't take this as a slam, just some friendly customer help.

I got more ideas/feedback and you're more than welcome to e-mail, AIM or phone me if you want. Just shoot me a PM.
FMIC STUFF:

Yes the cores WILL be black in a few weeks. We are testing some different coatings that won't affect the performance of the core like powder does. I have several on clients cars right now running around to do some checking. Sorry for the delay. In the meantime Krylon is your friend.

Stencils should be rolled in either of the two boxes. If yours is missing, send proof of purchase via e-mail to me along with mailing address and I will send it no problem. Sorry!

On the boost tube alignment, sounds like you either have a turbo setup that varies from what we use for proto or the tubes need to be rotated. As an example if the driver side tube isn't brought far enough forward it will force the back tubes upward. On the passenger side similar story. Jeff would be happy to help you with that, just give us a call. (He is out until WEdnesday) But we make ourselves VERY available for customer service.

GT: stuff. Both were address in my post in another thread but cliff notes available here. New intake options for blow-thru and cold air in stock now. Call for more details. On the fitment, a few were allowed to cool outside the fixture without the WG installed and thus pulled. This has been corrected (and it only affected a small portion. No matter how few were affected it is a PITA if it involves you. My apologies.) Coatings coming soon!

On the other, we will take ALL under advisement. WE like helping and hearing from our clients. How can be continually improve if we don't? I didn't take anything as a slam, and instead as an honest opinion of your experiences.

Thank you!

Adam
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:52 PM   #21
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Sorry but I do not have a problem. your top mount works better than I expected, even in 102 temp[ can't wait for cool weather]Your turbo inlet hose, fit and install was great.Thankyou for the help on complicated refund.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:55 PM   #22
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Why are radiator shrouds so expensive? Is it the extensive r&d or material cost? Thanks.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:03 PM   #23
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silver-duck: No problem! Glad everything worked out ok even in a difficult transaction.

rjutzky: Both actually, plus the new versions have new anti-corrosive layers sprayed on them as well. Some dealers do offer them in special group buys for less than MSRP. We can generally help with that too if needed. Just let us know.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:21 PM   #24
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Anti-corrosive super r&d'd radiator shroud group buy ftw omfg!
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:25 PM   #25
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Thank you for your response, I very much appreciate it. You will be hearing from me next year.
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