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Old 05-08-2013, 10:24 AM   #1451
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Yes I have looked into that. You can get rid of the valve lift stuff by using EZ36 intake cams, valves and springs. Then you won't need to upgrade the oil system, it will be fine. You will probably end up with better driveability too. Maybe lose 10-15 hp though. Oh but gain much better fuel economy.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:19 AM   #1452
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Should be assembling the EZ30 short block this afternoon after work. Had to order some new alignment pins (from block to heads), but those are supposed to be at the dealer today.

Edit: Dealer ordered the wrong parts (the block to trans pins). Amazingly enough, the correct part number was the one that I gave her when I ordered the pins, but she said that was an '05+ part number and that there was a different number for the '01-04s. *sigh*

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Yes I have looked into that. You can get rid of the valve lift stuff by using EZ36 intake cams, valves and springs. Then you won't need to upgrade the oil system, it will be fine. You will probably end up with better driveability too. Maybe lose 10-15 hp though. Oh but gain much better fuel economy.
Very interesting. You didn't mention the lifters - no need to change those out?

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Old 05-11-2013, 04:09 PM   #1453
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Got the short block together at the machine shop today and brought it home and mounted it back on the engine stand. Still need to put the oil pan(s) on. Block-to-head pins will get to the dealer on Tuesday, after which I can do the heads. No real hurry, since I still have to do all the electrical stuff and I don't even have the harnesses yet.

Received the OBX header, plus a couple little baby Magnaflow spun cats and a new Y-merge.









I don't know if the cats will go in ahead of / upstream of the flexes, or if I'll just ditch the flexes and put the cats in their place. (AFAIK the stock manifolds don't have flexes like that, so I'm not sure what the need is. They're huge flexes, too - I'm used to ones about 1/3 or 1/4 as long.)
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:53 PM   #1454
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about to get my mits on a JDM my03 legacy. ez30R, automatic, NO IMMOBILISER, FULL FRONT CLIP.

can get it running if i just do a complete harness swap but i'm sure i'll end up losing interior lights, central locking etc. no idea if the gauge cluster is going to be plug & play from my my03 rs either.

fun times ahead. anyone help me out here RE: what's plug & play on the harness?

i know i need to do something to convince the ECU that it's not always in neutral but no idea how to do that?
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:33 AM   #1455
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Very interesting. You didn't mention the lifters - no need to change those out?
Sorry my mistake - yes, you need to use EZ30R exhaust lifters on the intakes.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:17 PM   #1456
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alright so what's this trickery with getting the ECU from an auto to play nice with a manual. what do i have to do?
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:12 PM   #1457
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alright so what's this trickery with getting the ECU from an auto to play nice with a manual. what do i have to do?
EZ30D or EZ30R or EG33?

The answer varies greatly depending.

For the EZ30D, it's fairly simple. Some modifications of the ECU pins & mild TCU trickery should do it; you should be relatively CEL-free and be able to maintain cruise control and ABS.

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f145/t155...z30d-swap.html

For the others, I have no idea. I know the EG33 is OBDI, but it's a more common swap so other people might know. The EZ30R has AVCS and stuff, so I hear it's much more annoying.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:21 AM   #1458
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I know the EG33 is OBDI, but it's a more common swap so other people might know.
In my SVX when I went to a 6 speed, all I did was remove the TCU and wire the clutch switch, and reverse switch into the appropriate wires. The ECU doesn't care about a manual box as long as you do not hook a tcu up.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:45 AM   #1459
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EZ30D or EZ30R or EG33?

The answer varies greatly depending.

For the EZ30D, it's fairly simple. Some modifications of the ECU pins & mild TCU trickery should do it; you should be relatively CEL-free and be able to maintain cruise control and ABS.

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f145/t155...z30d-swap.html

For the others, I have no idea. I know the EG33 is OBDI, but it's a more common swap so other people might know. The EZ30R has AVCS and stuff, so I hear it's much more annoying.
EZ30D. rummaging through the RS25 thread now. i've got a complete front-clip. full harness & all.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:54 PM   #1460
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EZ30D. rummaging through the RS25 thread now. i've got a complete front-clip. full harness & all.
Sweet.

Keep us updated Haha the more EZ30D + manual trans. build threads, the better. You gonna be running a 5MT or a 6MT?
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:29 PM   #1461
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Sweet.

Keep us updated Haha the more EZ30D + manual trans. build threads, the better. You gonna be running a 5MT or a 6MT?
Seconded and subscribed. I'd love to pick up a third generation 3.0 Outback wagon, make it more like a Legacy GT, and convert it to manual transmission. Ideal daily drivah. Only problem is getting it to pass OBD2 inspection in MA with whatever check engine light will be present with the manual swap.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:32 PM   #1462
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Seconded and subscribed. I'd love to pick up a third generation 3.0 Outback wagon, make it more like a Legacy GT, and convert it to manual transmission. Ideal daily drivah. Only problem is getting it to pass OBD2 inspection in MA with whatever check engine light will be present with the manual swap.
Lol that's basically my plan for mine. STI drivetrain (6MT, R180), LGT axles, LGT or STI steering rack, LGT brake calipers with aftermarket pads/rotors, coilovers, UEL headers, and a tune.

Now, to get the money to fund that.... Hahaha.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:29 PM   #1463
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Sweet.

Keep us updated Haha the more EZ30D + manual trans. build threads, the better. You gonna be running a 5MT or a 6MT?
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Seconded and subscribed. I'd love to pick up a third generation 3.0 Outback wagon, make it more like a Legacy GT, and convert it to manual transmission. Ideal daily drivah. Only problem is getting it to pass OBD2 inspection in MA with whatever check engine light will be present with the manual swap.
5mt. i want to just drop the whole lot into my current GD chassis, so the engine/ECU don't think anything is different at all. problem is it's not quite that simple - apparently i need to wire the transmission control unit so it thinks it's always in gear, MIGHT need to work something out for the fuel pump controller, and no idea if the harnesses are going to plug & play with the current plugs for the lights, locks, ignition key etc. thankfully it's a non-immobiliser type.

unfortunately it's going to be $3.5k to land it all here to find out and to say i hate wiring is an understatement.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:55 PM   #1464
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about to get my mits on a JDM my03 legacy. ez30R, automatic, NO IMMOBILISER, FULL FRONT CLIP.
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EZ30D or EZ30R or EG33?
EZ30D. rummaging through the RS25 thread now. i've got a complete front-clip. full harness & all.
So which is it? (I know that really they're all EZ30Ds, but everyone calls the higher HP, plastic intake manifold, AVCS/AVLS version the EZ30R for clarity.) If it's an EZ30D, then the link that was posted to Dyne's swap over on RS25 should help. There are also a few threads here from anders8 about putting an EZ30D into his rally car and running it with a manual transmission. If it's an EZ30R, as you originally said, then I don't know exactly what it would take.

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Old 05-17-2013, 03:30 PM   #1465
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There isna guy on here that got his hands on an EDM Legacy 3.0R Spec B harness and swapped the whole harness and dash into a Forester with the motor. Runs and everything. The trick he found was getting the chipped key resynced with a brand new I programmed US key ar a dealership and it fired up.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:55 AM   #1466
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So which is it? (I know that really they're all EZ30Ds, but everyone calls the higher HP, plastic intake manifold, AVCS/AVLS version the EZ30R for clarity.) If it's an EZ30D, then the link that was posted to Dyne's swap over on RS25 should help. There are also a few threads here from anders8 about putting an EZ30D into his rally car and running it with a manual transmission. If it's an EZ30R, as you originally said, then I don't know exactly what it would take.
error first time around. EZ30D. single port heads, cable throttle, no AVCS.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:41 PM   #1467
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There isna guy on here that got his hands on an EDM Legacy 3.0R Spec B harness and swapped the whole harness and dash into a Forester with the motor. Runs and everything. The trick he found was getting the chipped key resynced with a brand new I programmed US key ar a dealership and it fired up.
thanks mate but i don't want to swap the dash too. if the plugs will plug into the heater controls, radio etc in my current dash then that will be awesome but otherwise i'll be getting a professional wiring technician to merge the harnesses. i'm sticking to the KISS principle.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:45 PM   #1468
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error first time around. EZ30D. single port heads, cable throttle, no AVCS.
Got it. Then we're in the same boat, albeit I'm working with a 6MT and an older chassis.
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Got it. Then we're in the same boat, albeit I'm working with a 6MT and an older chassis.
mm i've got a full front clip. i'm tempted to see if i can just transplant the harness from the front clip into my GD. might have a few teething issues like having to rewire the fuel pump or something but they're much simpler than merging harnesses.
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:53 PM   #1470
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front clip paid for. now to organise shipping... (well it's quoted. just got to book it in a few hours. i'm really hoping they just ship it port to port rather than road to port to ship to port to road again).





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Old 05-22-2013, 06:56 PM   #1471
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I saw a JDM EZ30 engine attached to a 6MT on ebay the other day, and it made me do some digging. According to the Rallispec transmission ids chart, some of the JDM Legacy 3.0Rs came with a 6-speed manual transmission.

Has anyone tried using the ecu from one of those vehicles for a swap?

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They do exist: http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/10...-for-sale.html

Found some part numbers for the 6MT ECUs: http://opposedforces.com/parts/legac...llustration_1/

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Old 05-23-2013, 10:12 AM   #1472
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anyone know if you can swap the ez30 shortblock with the ez36?

basically an H6 hybrid build?


redmonkey - i'm having a tough time finding the 2003 JDM B4 wiring diagram. you got a line on jap diagrams by any chance?

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Old 05-23-2013, 10:26 AM   #1473
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A high compression, franken-motor h6 would be dope!

...or even just a regular h6 with high compression.
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redmonkey - i'm having a tough time finding the 2003 JDM B4 wiring diagram. you got a line on jap diagrams by any chance?
I'm so glad you asked, because I just found an awesome site. I think you should be able to find what you need here: http://jdmfsm.info/Auto/Japan/Subaru/Legacy%20Outback/

And here's the full FSM for the 2007 Legacy (including the 3.0R 6MT model!): http://jdmfsm.info/Auto/Japan/Subaru...007/index.html

I'm pouring over the wiring diagram now. It looks so similar to how the '02 Impreza is setup for AT vs. MT, it's giving me hope!
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anyone know if you can swap the ez30 shortblock with the ez36?
Nope, nothing interchanges. Crankshaft of an EZ30D does not fit EZ30R or EZ36R or the other way around. Also heads do not interchange.
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