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Old 03-19-2008, 12:17 AM   #151
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Try asking Jeff Sponaugle or the guys at PDX Tuning. I know they at least have the piston dimensions as they were having custom pistons made for their boosted EZ powered cars. I'd imagine that they had some rods made, too.

I doubt there's anything "off the shelf", but it didn't sound like the custom pistons were too expensive. The rods probably aren't either.
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.... More delay? Any way of getting it rushed at least? I"m eager to get started with this. Even if I won't be dropping in for a bit or even yanking the EJ22 I"ll be getting her up on the stand and hopefully getting in there and cleaning as much as I can and checking all I can see. Oh I plan on running STi rods of forged ones ment for the STi's internals. Everything I've read has led me to beleive they will fit. Anyone got a length on the EJ conrods? 5.187" on the EZ's I guess I think I read that from Dylan on a different thread.
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I got manley H-beam wrx rods for mine. I tore down the block, and I was about to place the rods on when I found out they were too thick. I had to take them to a machine shop to have the big end shaved down. I'm pretty sure stock STi rods will have to be shaved too. Good luck
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Well that's good to know at least...... Any specs to go by for looking around? Actually has anyone started making some yet or am I still in the run stock/rework STi or after market/have a set custom made? WOuld be nice to find a set that will work or see that the STi rods will work. Anyone got side dementions?
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The rods in the EZ30 and EZ30R motors are not dimensionally the same as the EJ rods. The EJ rods are thicker on the big end, as well as a bit shorter. You cannont use an EJ25x rod in the EZ motor unless you somehow get the rod shaved.

In all of the EZ30R motors I have built, I have used the Pauter EZ30R rod, which was custom made some time ago but is now available from them with more availability. These custom rods are the correct thickness, as well as have the 22mm wrist pin holes vs 23mms for the EJ rods. Using these rods and your custom piston and you will be good to go for low or high compression.

If you are doing a high power application, be sure to shim BOTH oil relief valves. I used two shims in the primary, and 1 in the secondary.

Here are a few pics to help out:









Oh, and here is what can happen with the very weak stock rods:



I may miss things on this thread, so feel free to PM me questions. I have done a few EZ buildups now so I think I can identify every bolt in the front cover from memory. [That is a joke for those who have built the EZ motors. The front and rear covers have many bolts of many sizes. )



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Great post Jeff

I have seen the EJ series rods used shaved with custom pistons but with the availabilty of the aftermarket rods it would be a waste of time these days.

I'm looking into a lighter rod set up for our N/A car, but still need them strong for the compression I want to run.

On a side note we just got our EZ30D in today and got it ripped apart, some very interesting things in relation to the EZ30R.

Variable plenum volume
Different Exhaust port design

We also started work today on the ITB set-up, anyone who is interested in these please let us know.


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Old 03-20-2008, 07:35 PM   #154
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Well thanks for the thurough run down. Now you say the Pauter is making them semi-regulary. Where might us humble swappers order them? Do they have a sight adress or a number to reach them to order? I know I"ll need a set. I may be only building NA like Dylan but I'd liek to keep a solid base to work with. That and I know somewhere down the like I"d like to see about a super charger so finding and getting a set plus back ups is good incase no one makes anyting by then. Thanks again Jeff and every one.
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Old 03-21-2008, 06:32 PM   #155
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On a side note we just got our EZ30D in today and got it ripped apart, some very interesting things in relation to the EZ30R.

Variable plenum volume
Different Exhaust port design
No offense, Dylan, but that's hardly news. I would hope you were expecting to see those differences!

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Well thanks for the thurough run down. Now you say the Pauter is making them semi-regulary. Where might us humble swappers order them? Do they have a sight adress or a number to reach them to order?
www.google.com to www.pauter.com, perhaps?

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No offense, Dylan, but that's hardly news. I would hope you were expecting to see those differences!


I'd be interested in hearing more details about the ITBs.


www.google.com to www.pauter.com, perhaps?

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Well thanks for being a smart ass Pattie!(J/K) I've just been really out of it while surfing the forums for other parts for my car and a friend's swap+build 2.2. Oh or just not home like today being very bussy going into Boston to go to China town to see some of the beautiful ladies and great food and bootleg DVD's in Chinese. Found my self the whole Initial D for 60 bucks(I have the first two stages but the US never got the rest)
But on a topical note. I checked through the Pauter sight real quick and couldn't find the EZ rods but at least I found the order form for gettin sets made and you need. So who would like ot develop some nice demensions for some NA build EZ30R rods? Hopefully something that will still be solid enough for some light say... 0.5-1 bar of pressure form a SC couple years down the line? Just a thought of a future upgrade if I run out of things to do. Or would people doing their NA's like to go in a a group batch and I just get some heavier for later? 1.5-2 bars holdable maybe(If I want to kill my self)?
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No offense, Dylan, but that's hardly news. I would hope you were expecting to see those differences!


I'd be interested in hearing more details about the ITBs.


www.google.com to www.pauter.com, perhaps?

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just for that not ITB info for you!

J/k, the itb adapter plate is all drawn up in solid works and due to be cut sometime in the next week.

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Old 03-23-2008, 10:28 AM   #158
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Well thanks for being a smart ass Pattie!(J/K) I've just been really out of it while surfing the forums for other parts for my car and a friend's swap+build 2.2. Oh or just not home like today being very bussy going into Boston to go to China town to see some of the beautiful ladies and great food and bootleg DVD's in Chinese. Found my self the whole Initial D for 60 bucks(I have the first two stages but the US never got the rest)
But on a topical note. I checked through the Pauter sight real quick and couldn't find the EZ rods but at least I found the order form for gettin sets made and you need. So who would like ot develop some nice demensions for some NA build EZ30R rods? Hopefully something that will still be solid enough for some light say... 0.5-1 bar of pressure form a SC couple years down the line? Just a thought of a future upgrade if I run out of things to do. Or would people doing their NA's like to go in a a group batch and I just get some heavier for later? 1.5-2 bars holdable maybe(If I want to kill my self)?
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Just in case you just couldn't read the fine print on their website:

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I might be interested in building my EZ up a bit a few years down the line. A little higher compression and maybe some cam work, just as long as it will run 93 and be street friendly.

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I might be interested in building my EZ up a bit a few years down the line. A little higher compression and maybe some cam work, just as long as it will run 93 and be street friendly.

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Yes Mick I saw that. Just didn't know if someone had the specs from those last FI sets. We'll have to get a group together and one of us to guiniepig the NA's. I'm fine sticking stock compression for now and most furture changes I'd likely be looking to go for a stock length rod and change the heads. Mick the stock cams are pretty spicey on their own and I don't think till you add some FI you'd need cam work as long as you actually have the whole of the engine running. The Variable Valve Timing's what really gets me excited to work with this engine. The flexability of different conditions is what I like. Hence the real push fo rme to run the OEM ECU and see what I can get done with the Si-Drive system. Wouldn't it be nice to have the 3 settings and then fine tune them with data loggin each then reflashing each? We'll see though. It still needs to get here.
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Great thread guys, some awesome info here. I'm currently considering an EZ30 MY06 STi swap and I'm tentatively talking to Ron from Raw1performance(formerly Axis) about building me something capable of handling some high boost.

Have any of you run turbo's on your swaps yet? What did you go with? I've just started to research my options here and I'm not sure on what route to go with boost ... twin turbo vs running a big nasty 35/40r.
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Great thread guys, some awesome info here. I'm currently considering an EZ30 MY06 STi swap and I'm tentatively talking to Ron from Raw1performance(formerly Axis) about building me something capable of handling some high boost.

Have any of you run turbo's on your swaps yet? What did you go with? I've just started to research my options here and I'm not sure on what route to go with boost ... twin turbo vs running a big nasty 35/40r.
Well here's pretty much the most prominate of us all. http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32 COBB has also done one but I don't know much on theirs. Have a look through and maybe if you ask for a list we can put up a list at the front of the thread to people ot PM Andy and he'll post a list of links to swaps done or working on by people here. Good idea yes, Andy? Oh and my engine is here but not here... I need to arange the drop off got the call from the shipping company today. Thanks again Dylan! (DS1Motorsports)
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Mick the stock cams are pretty spicey on their own and I don't think till you add some FI you'd need cam work as long as you actually have the whole of the engine running.
What are the stock cam specs? How do you know how spicy they are?

The FSM gives lobe heights and lobe base diameter, so you can figure out cam lift, but there are no duration specs (as far as I can tell).

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I would like to see what the cam guys say about trying to regrind the variable valve lift cams.

Pat- The exhaust port comment was I was a little surprised that the EZ30D actually has larger exhaust port area than the EZ30R.

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I would like to see what the cam guys say about trying to regrind the variable valve lift cams.
I'm curious about that, too. One would think there shouldn't be any issue regrinding the dual lobes, as people have been playing with VTEC cams for years now.

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Pat- The exhaust port comment was I was a little surprised that the EZ30D actually has larger exhaust port area than the EZ30R.
Huh, that's kind of counter-intuitive. But I'm sure for scavenging effect, which is particularly important for someone like me that's staying N/A, the individual exhaust ports is a much better design.

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Well the single port could be a tad better, but I still need to measure port angle and shrouding in the main port.

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Guys,

I am putting together an EZ30D/R Impreza swap guide, with all of the goodnesss I can find. I'll have a prelim PDF for you guys to look at next week. I get so many emails about it, I figured it would be better to put it all down in one place.

Here is a quick look at the EZ motors in the US Market btw:



A couple of interesting things: In the MY08 Legacy (3.0), they changed to a new head casting, and a new intake and exhuast cam. The intake cam has a different lift profile, and the exhaust cam has less duration and less lift.

Also notice that the cams used in the 06/07 Tribeca H6 is not the same as the 05/06/07 Legacy H6. The only difference is the low life intake section is smaller in the Legacy cam. (very small difference).

Also notice in 08 the Legacy has a new intake manifoild, and that same manifold is used on the 3.6. I'm going to order up a 3.6 rod to see how it differs. It might be possible to use the existing Pauter rods from the 3.0 in the 3.6.

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Also notice in 08 the Legacy has a new intake manifoild, and that same manifold is used on the 3.6. I'm going to order up a 3.6 rod to see how it differs. It might be possible to use the existing Pauter rods from the 3.0 in the 3.6.

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Sorry Jeff but I'll have to say no before you even start on the rods. They are kinda of a prebent rod. They made them kind or crooked at a point to alow for a longer stock to get that 3.6L's. When I first got on NASIOC that was just as the info on the EZ36 was coming out and I was sicked at all the people that wanted to just through it in a car and through a turbo on it as is. Think of your stock rods you shreaded and then think of the EZ36's. Does make you think of how the crank would work in the R. Might act like the EJ257 crank in a EJ22. From what I've read it basicly adds to the stroke. Would be interesting to see.
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Sorry Jeff but I'll have to say no before you even start on the rods. They are kind of a prebent rod. They made them kind of crooked at a point to allow for a longer stroke to get that 3.6L's. When I first got on NASIOC info on the EZ36 was just coming out. I was sickened at all the people that wanted to just throw it in a car and throw a turbo on it as is. Think of your stock rods you shredded and then think of the EZ36's. It does make you think of how the crank would work in the EZ30R. Might act like the EJ257 crank in a EJ22. From what I've read it basically adds to the stroke. Would be interesting to see.
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I was interested in the Rod only to see the size of the big end. If the Journals are the same size, it might be possible to use the EZ36 crank and EZ30R Pauter rods in a EZ30R case, or an EZ30R Pauter rod and EZ30R crank in the EZ36 case. Interesting.. I have to take a closer look.

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So how much do we know IS transferable between the other motors? I know a lot of people have built up their motors(mainly my intrest being the EZ30R as my engine has finally shown up.) Valvetrain upgrades and other small but signifugant parts like head studs? I know Jeff has already posted on the head studs but what match are they or specs at least. Should we set an alternate thread for a specs list between all the engines EG, EJ or EZ? I really want start my full NA build up but am being temped to get it in a just running. Problem I want to pull it apart and make sure everything's in order but it would make more sence to do the build in that process. I"ll likely start my build thread when i get it up on the stand to start the tear down.
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So how much do we know IS transferable between the other motors? I know a lot of people have built up their motors(mainly my intrest being the EZ30R as my engine has finally shown up.) Valvetrain upgrades and other small but signifugant parts like head studs? I know Jeff has already posted on the head studs but what match are they or specs at least. Should we set an alternate thread for a specs list between all the engines EG, EJ or EZ? I really want start my full NA build up but am being temped to get it in a just running. Problem I want to pull it apart and make sure everything's in order but it would make more sence to do the build in that process. I"ll likely start my build thread when i get it up on the stand to start the tear down.
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Come on guys I need resource'n here. I want to find out how much I need to start being ready to drop at a time.... BEFORE I START BUYING PARTS THAT ARE SHINY! Already did enough splurging on a v8 guage cluster and ACT flywheel that could have waited. I need to know to keep my self from blowing the money I need to use for a new set of 18's for my SVX cause all I have to use right now are my16's with snows and my 17's with too narrow of215 summer tires with random snow off and on again(cause it's New England!)
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Gaddis-

Basically what Jeff is saying is none of the parts from the EJ series directly bolt into the EZ series.

You'll need a set of after market rods and pistons for any kind of build.

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P.S.- you'll need alot more clutch than the ACT can provide
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Basically what Jeff is saying is none of the parts from the EJ series directly bolt into the EZ series.

You'll need a set of after market rods and pistons for any kind of build.

-Dylan

P.S.- you'll need alot more clutch than the ACT can provide
Well I already saw that about the EJ's not being usable for the EZ. It was the oddball parts. AC compressors, Altinators, fuel rails, intake manifolds, throtle bodies, flywheels, clutches, all the little things after you get the block sealed back up after building. I know Jeff was talking about maybe checking the EZ36R's crank and rods to see if it'd be possible for a EZ30R with the Pauter rods and the 3.6 crank for a stroked 30R. Plus I think it'd be good for everyone else's different builds to see a full list of what we know works and does. What "plug'n'play"s and what needs modifying. EZ-EZ, EG-EZ, EJ-EG,etc. We have a lot of motors and a lot of years of development on only one series. Time for the 6-gunners to take a good leap forward. I know I'd like to see if the 08' intake manifold is better or worse, if the EZ36R crank is a good idea, if I can hit my 300BHP/200WHP NA with the stock ECU. More progress for one more progress for all the follow. I don't think I"d be as ready as I (beleive) I am if I didn't have Mick and Jeff and others to look back on.
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